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== Before anyone tries to add it... ==
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== New part 2 image ==
   
I'd just like to note that it Gaara didn't use Magnetism Release in 557. He simply had some of the 4th Kazekage's Gold Dust mixed into the Sand Clone. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 17:33, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
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I resently uploaded this pic: [[http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Gaara_part_2_720p.png]]. And I find it better than the current one, since it put a bit more distance to him, so you can see all his hair and sholders. --[[User:Kasan94|Kasan94]] ([[User talk:Kasan94|talk]]) 18:21, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
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: And he dosn't look so sad. --Kasan94 18:45, November 6, 2013 (UTC)
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::There is no consensus on this change, so please don't make an arbitrary decision to change things. If nobody replies to your message, simply bump it and ask again. If there is still no reply, then people don't see any reason to change the image. Frankly, I prefer the current image over your one because the current one shows his proper mood (which is indeed sad, most of the time) --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 15:49, November 10, 2013 (UTC)
   
It is only speculation on both ways. Gaara was born withe the black rings around his eyes, babys whoa re just born dont have insomnia, so gaara may indeed have magnetism release like his father, which may be the reason why he was the only one of the 4th's kids who was compatible for the Shukaku, Maybe Magnetism release is a must for being the Shukaku's Jinchuriki? {{unsigned|72.66.90.246}}
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== part 2 image ==
:While it is possible, we just won't know until Kishimoto decides to tell us. I also doubt that it's a requirement to have Magnet Release to be the host but then again...--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 11:34, October 10, 2011 (UTC)
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What do you think about [[:File:Gaara Shippuden 256.png|this image]] for Gaara's infobox? It is more recent, and it is the way he currently looks,besides that, his kanji is more visible. I'm new to this wiki (hence the hopeful wish to do some changes on it) so I hope I posted everything in order. :)
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[[User:Vojkffy|Vojkffy]] ([[User talk:Vojkffy|talk]]) 20:16, March 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
When FOURTH KAZEKAGE used GOLD DUST ability dark rings appeared around his eyes that resembled the permanent ones around those of his son. WHO USED MAGNET RELEASE ABILITY ARE DARK RINGS APPEARED AROUND HIS EYES?? {{unsigned|Chghjik}}
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:Don't add messages in the middle of other discussions that have long died. Moved your request to the bottom for easier viewing. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 20:18, March 16, 2014 (UTC)
:Every thing Gaara did can be explained by means other than Magnet Release. The Third Kazekage and Toroi, also users from Magnet Release, don't display such rings. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:08, October 11, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
== Chakra Flow ==
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I don't see why it's necessary to change. There is no significant difference in Gaara between the two images. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:42, March 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
I've always been kind've wondering, aren't all gaara's techniques chakra flow? Should we change this? {{unsigned|70.94.202.27}}
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==Gaara's sand manipulation==
:Not quite. Gaara's control over sand differs a lot from what we've come to know as charkra flow. If simply putting chakra into something constituted chakra flow techniques, all ninjutsu would be chakra flow. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:51, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
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His sand manipulation should be listed as a unique trait on his infobox, he retained this ability after having Shakaku removed. Shakaku has it listed as one so should Gaara. ([[User:Kuroiraikou|Kuroiraikou]] ([[User talk:Kuroiraikou|talk]]) 13:25, April 13, 2014 (UTC))
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:This.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:37, April 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Wind Release ==
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::Also listing produce ink on Killer B unique trait as well.([[User:Kuroiraikou|Kuroiraikou]] ([[User talk:Kuroiraikou|talk]]) 15:10, April 13, 2014 (UTC))
   
I think "while transformed" or "with Shukaku's power" should be added to that.
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:::Point of clarification, the "unique trait" bit in infoboxes was designed strictly for tailed beasts.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:12, April 13, 2014 (UTC)
He used it only while being partially transformed and never again since then.
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::::Really? Then why do human characters use it too?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:22, April 13, 2014 (UTC)
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:26, November 28, 2011 (UTC)
 
:While it's true we only saw him using it while transformed, the databook explicitly stated Gaara as the user of Wind Release: Infinite Sand Cloud Great Breakthrough. Plus, we don't do that for tailed beasts. We know Rōshi only uses Lava Release because of the Four-Tails, but there's no annotation in his infobox either. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:15, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
That's because he himself used it while being partially transformed ... that's why he is listed.
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::I've seen chakra absorption listed on alot of humans infoboxs.([[User:Kuroiraikou|Kuroiraikou]] ([[User talk:Kuroiraikou|talk]]) 15:26, April 13, 2014 (UTC))
Killer B's [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Ink_Creation Ink] stemms from Eight-Tails.
 
He is listed as an user because he himself used it with Eigh-Tail's power.
 
By your logic, we should list Naruto as an Fire Release user since in anime Kyubi used fire. But it was Kyubi in control of Naruto's body that used it, not Naruto himself.
 
What I'm trying to say is that Gaara used Wind Release obviously thanks to Shukaku so "Wind Release (with Shukaku sealed) would make me help sleep at night, thanks.
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:19, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
:Except there's no reason to suspect Gaara wouldn't also have learnt wind techniques without Shukaku. Both his sister and teacher use wind techniques, after all. There is no proof that Gaara's wind techniques stem from Shukaku. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 23:30, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
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::I said "designed strictly". It was for the tailed beasts and their unique abilities exclusive to that tailed beast and their jinchuriki. If memory serves me correctly I think they were there when the ability section in articles were just a list if techniques and no details.
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::Quite frankly the section is a relic and could probably be removed as is. It's purpose is now being served within the article proper.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:34, April 13, 2014 (UTC)
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are all gonna just forget that Gaara controls sand by infusing chakra into it? which he keeps in his gourd, its not foolish to believe while in battle he does this to surrounding sand. Also, it's likely Gaara w designed around his tailed beast like Roshi was. [[User:FlyingRaijinGod|FlyingRaijinGod]] ([[User talk:FlyingRaijinGod|talk]]) 06:23, August 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
Except he has not used it since fighting against Naruto in part 1.
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== Magnetism Release ==
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:36, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
:So? —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 00:00, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
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The latests raws prove that Shukaku uses Jiton. Does this not pretty much confirm that Gaara was using Magnetism Release all along? If not through his father's genes (note the eye markings when his father uses Jiton), then surely his ability to manipulate sand was due to Shukaku's ability. As Obito recently demonstrated for us again, bijū skills can remain with a jinchūriki even after extraction.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 02:38, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
Well, him using it only while being partially transformed and not seen using it after Shukaku's removal ...
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The eyes were a huge indication that Gaara used Magnet Release, but this proves it completely. Gaara is a Jiton user. [[User:Derigar|Derigar]] ([[User talk:Derigar|talk]]) 14:12, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:06, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
:Again, so? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 03:10, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
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:Completely possible, and most completely likely. Doubt we will ever know for sure so until then, he does not get listed.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:14, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
::It's worth noting that he hasn't displayed Wind Release before his transformations or after. I will add a line about the unknownity(not a word) of his Wind Release.--'''[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]]'''[[User Talk:TheUltimate3| ~Keeper of Lore~ ]] 04:02, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
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Gaara a Jinton user? Highly possible, considering both his father and Tailed Beasts had it, but still not confirmed. Sand manipulation = Jinton? Perhaps, but too speculation/not confirmed so nope.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:27, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
:::I don't see a need for that. If we take Rōshi and Gaara's actually verified jinchūriki powers as examples, Gaara still has his Fūton and can use them outside of his Bijū transformations. Juste becasue he doesn't use them doesn't mean he can't.[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 04:24, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
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:One could argue this that it's not too speculatory at all. Iron Sand, which uses Magnet Release was said to have been designed off Shukaku. Shukaku using it on its own damn near proves it. But things are never so simple around here.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:39, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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::Sand isn't magnetic tho.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:47, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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:::And fire isn't black and burns hotter than the sun for a week. Your point?--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:01, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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::::But we can't just assume that sand in Narutoverse is magnetic or that he uses special sand that is. Also Magnet Release is unlikely to be what moves the sand, because Gaara would be able to sustain Kunai and stuff in the air, which he hasn't shown. A Magnet Release which can't manipulate anything but sand is illogical--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:06, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::When did I say we could assume anything. I said it was probable and likely, and then even stated things are never so simple around here to imply that it wasn't going into the article anyway.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:08, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
::::That wasn't the meaning of the addition, at least as I put it. Assuming Roshi isn't like the million others who just magically got Lava Release, he got his from his tailed beast. The way I put it, it is unknown if he is just naturally a Wind user, or the affinity originally came from the beast and simply melded to him.--'''[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]]'''[[User Talk:TheUltimate3| ~Keeper of Lore~ ]] 05:04, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
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Cant you just add it and say presumably like on tsunades page? [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 15:32, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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:No. Tsunade's case is different. Also, how the hell could Gaara's daddy subdue Shukaku with Jiton when Shukaku itself can use Jiton? This makes no sense at all. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:56, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
:::::Let's just say he hasn't used it after the first time. That's all we can definitly say and should say. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 09:31, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
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Its a very long running anime/manga series. not everything needs to make sense. We can't answer every question asked. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 15:57, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
@ShounenSuki, I never said Gaara himself can't use Wind Release.
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:Tsunade's case was weird before we even began having these types of conversations, mainly because of the difference between electric signals in the nerves, and lightning that does actual lightning things.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:59, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
Just he never used it outside of beast transformation.
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::@Seel, basically we are led to believe that Shukaku's Jinton can exclusively manipulate only sand (which isn't even magnetic) somehow ._. 4th Kazekage used Golden Dust which is heavier than sand therefore overpowered Shukaku.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:02, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
He no longer can use [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Wind_Release:_Infinite_Sand_Cloud_Great_Breakthrough this] since he no longer has an additional mouths all over his body.
 
Like Sasuke is listed as an user of Body Shedding with Orochimaru absorbed, I think Gaara should be listed as partially transformed into Shukaku until he shows this without being transformed.
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:58, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
:Wasn't it specifically said that Sasuke could only use that technique because he had absorbed Orochimaru's soul? Any way, annotating Gaara's use of this technique like that would imply that he can only use it while (partially) transformed, and there's simply nothing that really supports this. I won't mind saying he only used it while partially transformed in the article itself, but actually annotating the infobox listing is too much. [[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 14:07, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
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I don't think tsunade has lightning release but lets stay on the topic= Gaara. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 16:02, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Jiton doesn't manipulate anything. It changes the Chakra nature to a magnetism nature, nothing else. Sand isn't magnetic so it can't be manipulated with Jiton. Gold is dia-magnetic, at least. But sand? No way. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:04, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
We have seen him using it only while partially transformed and with the use of the additional mouths.
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Kishimoto is screwing with us. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 16:05, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
He most likely can't transform into Shukaku anymore and we have not seen him using this or any other Wind technique since, I think that's enough reason.
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:@Seel, then suppose Shukaku was just dumb enough not to defend himself with his own Jinton against Kazekage's Golden Dust. Otherwise Kishi doesn't know that sand ain't magnetic or he just doesn't care, because (sarcasm) it's completely logical for magnetic chakra to magnetize ONLY sand, magnetic or not.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:08, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
Well, I spoke my mind ... do as you please :)
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::Kishimoto has all but said plenty of times, he is no scientist. If he was, jamming ones eye into your skull would not all of a sudden make it work.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:09, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:16, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
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:::That still doesn't explain why would Shukaku's Jinton affect but sand. That's like Katon which burns only paper but people are safe--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:12, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Well, in the end, it doesn't even matter, since this is but speculation. If anyone adds Jiton to Gaara's natures, I'll revert it. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:15, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Tailed Beast Skill ==
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I understand where both sides are coming from, but I think instead of having these length discussions about steps to take in doing things… we wait… Clearly Kishimoto intends to explain all of this.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:35, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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: I think the primary argument here stems from Gaara's eyes. The Fourth Kazekage got the same damn eyes when he used Jiton and Gaara was shown in the very next chapter using his father's Gold Dust along with his own sand. I will not voice my support either way, but c'mon people. Not everything has to have a giant flashing neon-light banner above it to be completely obvious. Very high probability here that its the case. Our best bet, to be sure though, is a new databook. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 16:37, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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::I wouldn't take those eye markings necessarily as an indication of Jinton. We were told they are from insomnia in Gaara's case after all, not to mention the shuriken Jinton user has no markings--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:41, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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::: Shuriken-jutsu user was from Kirigakure. Could be a different strain of the genetic trait. Works that way in real life too. Gaara's father gained the rings when he began using Magnet Release. As I've said, Gaara also used Gold Dust in the very next chapter, in tandem with his sand. Again, I'm not supporting or denying, I'm just saying: common sense people. Doesn't take much. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 16:59, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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::::So Jinton usage causes insomnia? (sarcasm)--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:24, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
Guys this is getting ridiculous, we all know that Gaara's sand controlling ability stems from the One-Tailed Tanuki Shukaku, it is clearly a Tailed Beast Skill but Shukaku doesn't have to be a user only Gaara. [[Special:Contributions/119.154.18.124|119.154.18.124]] ([[User talk:119.154.18.124|talk]]) 14:05, December 23, 2011 (UTC)
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@Elveonora. "Magnet Release (磁遁, Jiton; Viz "Magnet Style") is an advanced chakra nature kekkei genkai which allows the user to convert chakra into magnetic forces and magnetise an object." Tell me again, annoyingly, how sand isn't "magnetic". [[User:Derigar|Derigar]] ([[User talk:Derigar|talk]]) 18:12, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
:Sorry, what do you actually mean? --[[User:Ilnarutoanime|Ilnarutoanime]] -[[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Neji]][[User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Loverr]]- 14:08, December 23, 2011 (UTC)
 
::It's not ridiculous. Most of Gaara's techniques have never been marked as tailed beast skills. We can't just go off on a tangent and mark them as such. I would have thought that recent revelations with his father, the Third Kazekage, his mother and the fact that he can still manipulate sand without the Shukaku would be taken into consideration.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 14:41, December 23, 2011 (UTC)
 
:::In the past, I would have supported listing his techniques as Tailed Beast skills, but there's this one sand technique of his that is ranked. That throws a wrench in it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 15:37, December 23, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
::: How about this [[Wind Release: Drilling Air Bullet|[1]]] it's ranked but still a Tailed Beast Skill. P.s was Tailed Beast Skill ever given a databook entry? [[Special:Contributions/119.73.69.4|119.73.69.4]] ([[User talk:119.73.69.4|talk]]) 11:09, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
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Toroi's Jiton worked completely different from Sunagakure's Jiton. If Yondaime could magnetise stuff like Toroi, he could have simply magnetised a lot of shinobi and impaled them with gold. We need to wait to see how Shukaku's Magnet Release works. We have to see what its effects are. Once we have that clear, we look to see if there are any of Shukaku's or Gaara's sand techniques that have the same effects. If any of the techniques apply, they'll be retroactively called Jiton, much like Sandaime's were when Magnet Release was released, and when Deidara was confirmed a user of Explosion Release. Does that sound like a sensible approach? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:22, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
::::Yup, it's given in the databook.--[[User:Ilnarutoanime|Ilnarutoanime]] -[[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Neji]][[User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Loverr]]- 11:33, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
Can you tell me that entry? [[Special:Contributions/210.2.185.244|210.2.185.244]] ([[User talk:210.2.185.244|talk]]) 11:26, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
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That is a perfect way to handle it, Omnibender! [[User:Derigar|Derigar]] ([[User talk:Derigar|talk]]) 18:23, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
:The [[Wind Release: Drilling air bullet]] was from the second databook, that's what I saw in the references section.--[[User:Ilnarutoanime|Ilnarutoanime]] -[[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Neji]][[User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Loverr]]- 11:33, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
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:How can magnetism itself be used in different ways? I get that you can apply it to either shuriken or iron sand, but it stays magnetism, doesn't it? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 18:26, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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::@Omni We may not even see the Magnet Rasengan's effect, because Madara vanished. If it won't affect him on the missing pages of chapter 674, then we will have to wait for Naruto to use it again, which he may not do--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:27, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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:@Seelentau - Different genetic versions of the same Kekkei Genkai MIGHT result in different effects. The Sand kekkei genkai specialised in large amount, small objects; akin to sand. The Stone kekkei genkai specialised in small amount, large objects; akin to a ninja tools. This is taken from direct observations. Either way, it is confirmed that Shukaku and Gaara's father both have Magnet Release (JITON, not Jinton -_-), so Gaara both got Magnet release from his father (genetically) and his Bijuu (akin to Roshi, or however he's called). Thinking Gaara doesn't have Magnet release is illogical and honestly, just plain dumb. [[User:Derigar|Derigar]] ([[User talk:Derigar|talk]]) 18:43, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Calling me dumb is... well, the most dumbest thing you could've done. Gaara has no Magnet Release because as logical as your explanations are, it was never '''ever''' hinted at. So we don't add Gaara as a MR user. Full stop. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:49, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Not to mention even if it were 200% fact that he does, it doesn't necessarily mean it's the Jinton that controls the sand--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:06, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
That isn't what I asked about :{ , besides Gaara can only use those techniques because of the Shukaku, if it wasn't derived from the Shukaku, then Gaara would be able to used it without having the Shukaku sealed inside of him,he was a jinchuriki of the Shukaku, that was the only thing which grannted him these abilities others can do it causing even the Third Kazekage to create a jutsu to '''imitate''' Shukaku's abilties. We don't know if any other jinchuriki would be able to retain their tailed beast skills after death.
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::::Never called you dumb, just that all these major hints that Gaara has jiton are being ignored is dumb in my eyes. [[User:Derigar|Derigar]] ([[User talk:Derigar|talk]]) 23:29, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
@Omnibender: Can you please show us the link?
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== "Magnetism Release (Presumed)"? ==
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As we have discussed to quite some lengths, alls signs point towards Gaara being a Magnetism Release user, however, as this has not been explicitly stated, I suggest we add it to his info box with the "(Presumed)" tag next to it.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 19:34, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
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:If Gaara had ever used some jutsu that looked like Magnet Release, I'd agree with you, but for now, well, he didn't.--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 19:38, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
@cerez365: When you say "Never been listed as tailed beast skill" does that mean that the Databook labels them as such? Roshi was able to use the [[Lava Release: Scorching Stream Rock Technique]] and it's listed as a tailed beast skill, because we clearly know that the Lava Release abilities are from Son Goku. We don't know if what would have happened if any other Jinchuriki like Roshi was revived in the same way as Gaara. Like I said before its clearly known that the Shukaku's style is unique causing the Third Kazekage to create Iron Sand. Ginkaku and Kinkaku were able to use their tailed beast skills even after they were dead. [[Special:Contributions/119.73.69.4|119.73.69.4]] ([[User talk:119.73.69.4|talk]]) 12:50, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
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Shukaku's ability to control sand is presumably Magnetism Release though, and since Gaara retained that ability, it would appear that his presumed Magnetism Release is naturally aligned with sand. It's not that far off from his father's gold dust.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 19:50, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
:Well you have a point there. --[[User:Ilnarutoanime|Ilnarutoanime]] -[[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Neji]][[User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Loverr]]- 12:53, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
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:In two seconds I searched 'Is Sand Magnetic?', and the answer is no, it isn't. Black sand can be magnetic, due to certain minerals within it, but Gaara's sand definitely isn't black. Also it's called Magnet Release, stop saying Magnetism. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 19:56, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
: So will it be considered? I will wait until a few others see this until then I will post this on their pages. [[Special:Contributions/119.73.69.4|119.73.69.4]] ([[User talk:119.73.69.4|talk]]) 12:56, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
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Please read this and tell me what you think: <no links>
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If you don't feel like clicking:
   
Wind Release: Drilling Air Bullet is ''not'' a ranked technique. By ranked, we mean having been ranked from E-rank to S-rank, which shows how difficult it is to learn/perform the technique. The ranked sand technique I mentioned is [[Sand Binding Prison]], which is a B-rank technique, according to its entry in the third databook. Tailed beast skill was a category we implemented independently to further categorise techniques. If a technique can be traced back as stemming from a tailed beast, we list it as a tailed beast skill. The reason most of Gaara's sand techniques are not listed as such, as far as I recall, is because of that one B-ranked technique. Having a rank like that has always implied that the technique is learnable/performable by anyone willing to learn. For example, no kekkei genkai technique has ever had a rank, because one doesn't simply learn a kekkei genkai technique. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 14:42, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
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"I actually made a thread aaaages ago about this after gaaras dad displayed the same eye rings as gaara. There is two types of magnetism:
   
I dunno. I just think that there's too much unknowns surrounding Gaara especially with the new revelations. It's listed that the manipulation seemingly stems from Shukaku, I think that'll do for now. At least for me.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 14:51, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
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1) paramagnetism: is a form of magnetism whereby something is attracted to a source via a magnetic field. This is most similar to toroi's magnetic shuriken.
   
I get what your trying to say but then again Masashi Kishimoto does that sometimes
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2) diamagnetism: type of magnetism which repels objects with a magnetic force. Quartz the main component of sand is diamagnetic and hence why gaara can manipulate it and make it fly through the air. He is essentially manipulating the magnetic forces that repel the sand off the ground.
for example he gave [[Water Release: Great Water Arm Technique]] a rank (B if i remember correctly) we all know that it is derived from the Hozuki Clan's secret technique the [[Hydrification Technique]] which we all know is not supposed to be ranked. At the same time Gaara also used the [[Air Sand Protective Wall]] but it wasn't given a rank, nor was any other technique and I'm pretty sure Gaara wasn't slipping into his Version 1 or 2 forms when we saw him. My point is that we should list his abilities as a tailed beast skill the same was done with the [[Water Release: Great Water Arm Technique]], it is given a rank yet still listed as Hiden. As for the people who say that they shouldn't be listed as such because Gaara could use them even when he was revived, it's a ability that no one except a jinchuriki of Shukaku can use, causing The Third or Fourth Kazekage to create Iron Sand to '''imitate''' the abilities of a previous jinchuriki of the One-Tail
 
We don't know if any one like Roshi would retain them even if they were revived like Gaara, Kinkaku and Ginkaku could retain their Nine-Tailed forms even after death, with the help of no seal. All of this point towards the fact that they can indeed be listed as such.(P.s I the guy who started this discussion.) What do you guys say? [[Special:Contributions/119.73.75.64|119.73.75.64]] ([[User talk:119.73.75.64|talk]]) 10:17, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
:I believe I have asked ShounenSuki or someone about this a while back. If I am to understand it correctly the innate ability to control sand is the Shukaku's power. The shield becoming an automatic shield around Gaara is his mother's love hijacking the Shukaku's power for her own end. All the jutsu Gaara came up with using sand are not technically tailed skills, but work based on a tailed beast skill.
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Given this info it's most likely a combination of lightning and earth release in that the minerals in the ground or sand are magnetised to form the repulsion field."
:So basically
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--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 20:15, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
:#Controlling Sand is the power of the One-Tailed Beast
 
:#The sand protecting Gaara is the One-Tailed power hijacked by Gaara's mama
 
:#The jutsu Gaara made up using the sand is not a Tailed Beast skill--'''[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]]'''[[User Talk:TheUltimate3| ~Keeper of Lore~ ]] 11:35, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
 
::I agree with you. --[[User:Ilnarutoanime|Ilnarutoanime]] -[[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Neji]][[User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Loverr]]- 14:52, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
That's what I am arguing about, it is the ability of the One-Tailed Shukaku hence a tailed beast skill, I know about the Sand Shield but basically she's '''hijacking'''(who knows how?) it, the Sand shield is an application of the sand abilites of Shukaku though I'll have to think about it. Her love and will consists of only a small amount of Gaara's abilities and Gaara never used techniques except the Sand Shield based on her mother's love. About your argument that its not a tailed beast skill, well as I recall is "A tailed beast skill is a unique ability or trait used by tailed beasts" but if you still don't agree then I guess we should remove Roshi's Lava Release: Scorching Rock Stream Technique and his magma armor from being a tailed beast skill too huh? Roshi used Lava release ninjutsu because of Son Goku the same argument can be made that all of Roshi's lava jutsu are not technically tailed beast skills but based on a tailed beast skill, the ability to mix the Earth and Fire natures and create a new nature, Lava Release. (I don't get your argument if it's based on a tailed beast skill then its a tailed beast skill itself.)
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It doesn't matter if sand isn't magnetic, pure gold isn't magnetic either but Kishimoto has someone using Magnet Release with it. If he wants Gaara to be a magnet release user then he'll tell us so eventually. We cannot presume until then. Because that would mean that Temaru and Kankurō are using Magnet Release presumably with their abilities as well. That's the problem with "presuming" in Gaara's case.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:21, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
@Ilnarutoanime: are you with him or me? --[[Special:Contributions/59.103.214.58|59.103.214.58]] ([[User talk:59.103.214.58|talk]]) 10:00, December 31, 2011 (UTC)
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We presume a lot of things on this wiki. We presumed Orochimaru had Mokuton because that made sense. We presumed Tsunade has lightning release because that makes sense. We presumed Hamura had Yin Release because that makes sense. With Gaara, there is arguably more cause to believe that he possesses Magnetism Release. And I don't know Temari and Kankurō would be of any concern as Temari only uses wind and we know puppets work with chakra strings, i.e. their styles don't resemble that of Gaara and their father at all. Nor do they have the eye rings.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 20:49, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
The single reason I oppose listing those techniques as tailed beast skills is because of that one ranked technique. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:50, December 31, 2011 (UTC)
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:Regardless of whether sand manipulation is Magnet, it's inconsistent. We list Orochimaru because he has the genetic potential to use Wood Release, but not Gaara who has the potential to use Magnet Release through Shukaku. We should either list both or neither, depending on whether natures are listed for potential use or actual demonstrated capabilities.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 21:51, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
:Didn't I explain that? Look at the discussion above. Masashi Kishimoto does that sometimes like the [[Water Release: Great Water Arm Technique]] for an example. You guys aren't giving that many good reasons for opposing this change. --[[Special:Contributions/59.103.213.139|59.103.213.139]] ([[User talk:59.103.213.139|talk]]) 08:22, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
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::I have to agree with BeyondRed here. We list Orochimaru for being presumably being able to use Wood Style, just because his host body is a White Zetsu. Gaara should be updated for the exact same reason. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 21:59, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
::That Water Release technique wasn't a change over time like you're suggesting, this was a ranked hiden technique, the only exception to hiden techniques not having ranks, from the get-go. This wasn't something that he might have changed his mind over time. That wasn't an inconsistency that happened because thing a contradicted thing b said a long time ago. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 13:00, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
:: I don't understand what you're saying. Can you say it a little simpler. [[Special:Contributions/119.73.77.208|119.73.77.208]] ([[User talk:119.73.77.208|talk]]) 11:43, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
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I'm just going to say this and leave the discussion: If Gaara could use Magnet Release he would have no viable reason to ignore the other abilities granted by the nature. Remember when he used a sand clone to block shuriken in the chūnin exams? If he possessed Magnet Release he could have easily just stopped it in the air, but he didn't, which in my opinion is evidence that he doesn't possess the nature. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 22:02, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
:::Unlike the examples other people gave of inconsistencies in technique ranking and categories, that Water Release technique already had an inconsistency right from the start, as it was called hiden and given a rank at the same time. This wasn't like some other technique that was called something at first and later called something else. The other person was trying to justify changing all of Gaara's sand techniques to tailed beast skill by saying that categorisation changes occur, using that Water Release as an example. I'm just showing that this didn't happen with that technique, as it had an unusual categorisation from the start, and therefore not an argument that would convince me to agree listing Gaara's sand techniques as tailed beast skill when one of them has a rank. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 13:30, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Er......Isn't that what the other person is talking about, he (or she) is saying that Masashi Kishimoto makes inconsistencies like that Hozuki Water Arm Technique and changes his mind. Also if I'm correct he (or she) pointed out that the Air Sky Sand Protective Wall or whatever was also used the same way and place and time so Masashi Kishimoto wasn't planning on that. Atleast thats what I think he means. [[Special:Contributions/119.73.69.228|119.73.69.228]] ([[User talk:119.73.69.228|talk]]) 13:50, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
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: Just because he have it, don't mean he fully knows how to use it. And as stated above, there is a possibility there more than one type of Magnet release (Toroi / Fourth Kazekage). If Orochimaru is stated as having Wood Release because his body is a White Zetsu clone, then Gaara should also have Magnet Release, since he was the jinjuricki of Shukaku, and could manipulate sand. --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#3B0B0B">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 22:42, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
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::If he had diamagnetism, he should be able to manipulate gold dust too... which he can't. Also if you read the [[Gold Dust]] article, the trivia section states it doesn't actually function by diamagnetism anyway, so the Fourth Kazekage is the same as any other Magnet Release user. '''Edit''': We also know that not all Bijū inherently pass abilities down to their jinchūriki, as Naruto only received Kurama's 'Negative Emotions Sensing' after defeating it within the seal. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 22:52, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
Oh and that Masashi Kishimoto made an inconsistency with this as technique and that they should be listed as tailed beast skills. [[Special:Contributions/119.73.69.228|119.73.69.228]] ([[User talk:119.73.69.228|talk]]) 13:52, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
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I still don't see how the sand manipulation has anything to do with Magnet Release. The closest thing connecting the two is Naruto's Magnet Release technique, and even that doesn't quite look like sand. Nothing Gaara has ever done resembles all known variants of Magnet Release. I'm not saying that Gaara doesn't have Magnet Release, but with what we have, this isn't the same as the Orochimaru and Tsunade examples. I'm still against listing Hamura as a Yin Release user, but I find it harder to care each day. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:54, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
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: Gaara has also manipulated gold dust. Don't forget that. He was able to manipulate his sand and gold dust at the same time, at that. The rings around the Fourth's eyes were obviously meant by Kishi to give us closure to the source behind Gaara's mysterious rings. They were ''never'' stated in the series to be related to insomnia, and originally were speculated to be a result of being Shukaku's jinchūriki, just like Naruto's whiskers. We now know that to be wrong. Seeing as Shukaku has Magnet Release, Gaara's markings were likely permenant, because, unlike the Kazekage, who could freely mold Magnet chakra whenever he wanted, a jinchūriki's chakra is always in contact with a tailed beasts, and so the markings simply stuck. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:58, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
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::I seem to recall the only thing Gaara did was to mix the gold dust into his own sand and then use it through that arbitrary method; he never directly manipulated the gold dust. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 00:01, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::: That ''is'' directly manipulating Gold Dust. Gaara already stated in the chapter that the Gold Dust was heavier than his own sand, but that he could move it, and then mixed it with his own to create a combined attack. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 00:06, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
@Omnibender: I don't understand what you're saying, are you suggesting this was something different at first and then shifted to something else? That the classification and rank of that [[Sand Binding Prison]] technique was changed over time? If so, can you please where it is said? Gaara used Air Sand protective Wall at the same time, why wasn't it given a rank? [[Special:Contributions/119.154.18.124|119.154.18.124]] ([[User talk:119.154.18.124|talk]]) 05:35, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
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What TTF said. And if we're going to allow presumptions based on potential for Orochimaru, then surely Gaara more than qualifies? Shukaku has Magnetism Release and manipulates sand. Gaara's father has the same eyes he does and uses the same fighting style with gold dust - gold dust Gaara mixed with his sand. All points clearly point to Magnetism Release. Enough so warrant a (Presumed) tag.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 00:28, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
:What I mean is that prior to that technique, none of Gaara's techniques had ever received a rank. Having a rank pretty much means the technique can be taught to anyone willing to learn it. Sure, there have been unranked techniques which look like they can be taught, but not of all them are like that. Gaara's sand techniques being unranked made sense because they derive from something he got from his tailed beast, meaning this isn't something others could potentially learn simply if they decided to learn. When the Third Databook came out, almost all of his techniques had no rank, but this one had. I'm not saying the rank of the technique changed over time, but the ranking profile of Gaara's techniques did, because one of them became ranked. I'm against listing Gaara's sand techniques as tailed beast skills today because one of the techniques that should be listed as such would end up as having a rank, which carries the meaning I spoke of. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:44, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
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:Whatever, this topic was discussed before and you were shot down. I still stick to the prior judgement. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 00:45, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
::Okay, I understand your point now, however, if suppose a Fourth Databook came out and Gaara's ranking profile retains no rank then will you consider this proposal? [[Special:Contributions/119.154.18.124|119.154.18.124]] ([[User talk:119.154.18.124|talk]]) 04:44, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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First of all, Gaara moved the gold sand with his own sand, not with chakra. Second, when Shukaku aided Naruto, he didn't give him sand, but the Rasengan was still prefixed ''Magnet Release''. The only thing that was new were the sealing markings, so I think Magnet Release has some sort of connection with fuinjutsu. Anyway, for now, we don't add Gaara as a user. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 09:58, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Cloak. ==
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Gaara moved the gold dust by mixing it with his own sand. He also manipulated hail like that, but I don't see anyone saying he should be listed as an Ice Release user because of that. He essentially scooped up the gold dust with his own sand, that's not a direct manipulation. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:15, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:Also thing of note is that Naruto's Shukaku Magnet Release's powered Rasengan enveloped Madara's limbo clone. That means the chakra stuck to him like magnet, meaning Shukaku's Magnet Release is likely the same principle as Toroi's, no sand manipulation BS.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:29, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::Finally, some common sense in this thread. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 17:26, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
With the recent releases showing the Jinchuriki with chakra shrouds, should we mention in Gaara's trivia that he is/was the only Jinchuriki not to be seen with a chakra shroud? I mean sure, we've seen him go Full Form, but we've also seen Bee go Full Form but also have seen him with a shroud. I think it may be trivia worthy if anyone else agrees? [[User:SusanooUnleashed|SusanooUnleashed]] ([[User talk:SusanooUnleashed|talk]]) 15:04, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
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Let's get disingenuous to prove a point. Gaara said he mixed the gold dust with his sand, he didn't say he manipulated it with chakra, but he didn't say he was carrying it either. I believe the implication is clear. I don't recall when Gaara carried hale, but that's an irrelevant example seeing as there is no Ice Releaser that gains dark rings around his eyes. There are two sources that heavily imply Gaara is a Magnetism Release user, is bijū and his father. Not to be repeat myself like a broken record, but the fact his father gains rings around his eyes identical to Gaara's and has a similar fighting style, and then considering the fact Naruto gained the ability through Shukaku, would lead to the presumption that Gaara's ability does, in fact, stem from Magnetism Release.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 20:23, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:And no one disagrees with you on that being a logical deduction. Except it isn't entirely compatible:
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* You attribute the rings around eyes to Shukaku
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* Except Shukaku doesn't gain any rings while manipulating sand, nor did Naruto gain any rings when he used Magnet Release: Rasengan
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* Gaara's father had rings when using Magnet, wasn't jinchuuriki of Shukaku
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* Therefore the Magnet rings and Shukaku are unrelated
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* Other Magnet Release users like Toroi and (presumably) 3rd Kazekage had no Magnet rings around eyes
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* So Gaara's rings do not necessarily imply a relation to Magnet Release in any way--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:37, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:Gaara's marks are permanent. His father's appear when using Magnet Release ONLY. This gives two outcomes: either Gaara is constantly using Magnet Release, or it's a arbitrary birth mark (like Naruto's whisker marks, for example). Since constant chakra usage would kill him, due to the inevitable outcome of chakra exhaustion, this argument is pointless. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 20:40, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
:I think that is mentioned in his transformations page already. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 15:24, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
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:: Yes because Gaara's father having those markings is just a coincidence spurred by Kishimoto's whim. Sometimes I wonder if a few of you even read other literature. There are certain things that you really just have you use your brains with. Do any of you really, honestly, believe that Kishimoto gave Gaara's father, a Magnet Release user, and Gaara (the Kazekage's son), whom has a tailed beast ''with Magnet Release'', the same markings for completely different reasons? I just cannot fathom the kind of logic used to reach a conclusion that ignorant of how context clues work. It is absolutely unbelievable. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 20:47, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:::When Gaara is canonically proven to have Magnet Release you can be snarky all you like. Until then, save me the lecture please. This is a discussion that's come up multiple times for a reason, and that reason is simple: it hasn't been approved. Guess why that is? I'll give you a hint, it's to do with the utter lack of evidence in it's favor. Conjecture will get you nowhere, so cool the attitude. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 20:56, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
These are the only things I found about it on his transformations page:
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@Foxie, yeah, because a guy who misinterprets canon's context is the first one a person would go after to ask for context clues.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:58, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
"Much like Naruto's fox shaped chakra cloak, the sand is capable of absorbing a wide variety of attacks. However, the defence given to his body still has one weak spot."
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::: So, in other words, when Kishi gives you a giant neon banner that tells you everything you were supposed to learn with context clues (this is 1st grade level reading comprehension, how's that for snark?), you'll accept what everyone else already knows? Brilliant. Some encyclopedia this is when that is the mentality. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 20:59, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
"Gaara's jinchūriki forms are noticeably different from others' in that it's not made of pure chakra, but of sand. It is, however, possible that the forms that Gaara has shown are partial transformations."
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::::While I am one who loves context clues as much as the next guy, Shukaku's Magnet Release has yet to look like sand. When it hit Madara, the cursed seal spread across his body and no sand, unless I missed it terribly. As such, despite it being likely in conjunction with the Second and Third Kazekage, we cannot say that Shukaku's sand is moved with Magnet Release.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:08, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
No mention of how he was never seen with the chakra shroud, just that he gets covered in sand not the raw chakra. [[User:SusanooUnleashed|SusanooUnleashed]] ([[User talk:SusanooUnleashed|talk]]) 04:38, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
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::::Eye shadow, Bijū (that he doesn't even possess anymore) and familial ties are not, on their own, sufficient evidence to add an advanced chakra nature to his skill set. Kishi has never been subtle with his Kekkei Genkai. Darui revealed his, with the name clearly stated, in the first fight he fought. Sasuke did the same for Blaze Release, as did Sasori with the third Kazekage's. I have plenty of examples, so going entirely on previous information, I believe that if Gaara had Magnet Release, it would have been beaten into our heads. Oh, and I noticed you said you 'sense this discussion getting out of hand', which is pretty ironic given your intentional attitude here. That is the last I'll say on this matter, since I tire of this argument which is obviously getting nowhere. Hell, I really don't care anymore, add Magnet Release in if it helps your ego. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 21:31, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
Maybe it takes less control for Gaara to use partial transformation and shield/armor of sand than chakra cloaks since the sand is imbued with chakra most of times and for Shukaku's body being from sand.
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Perhaps it's a mascara. You know, like those young cute emo guys tend to wear.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:36, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
For 8 Tailed Beasts being able to provide chakra cloaks to their host, and one being different would make Shukaku really unique.
 
So I think Shukaku is like other 8, just Gaara can't use chakra cloak or it's not his style.
 
For example now Naruto's has control over Nine-Tail's chakra but we have not seen him doing a partial transformation or going to version 1/version 2 on his own ... it happened only when the Kyubi triggered it.
 
   
So to put it short I see it as lack of control or a preference but don't want to speculate much.
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: And we now have Naruto's Magnet Release Rasenshuriken with sand clearly shown infused with it. Is that enough to finally link sand and Magnetism and list Gaara as a user, or are we just going to be plain stupid about this? ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 00:07, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 05:48, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
How is the second quote you put not an indication he doesn't use a regular chakra shroud? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 14:42, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
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::Probably the latter, but now I am a believer. While first on the fence, I am now convinced. There would be no reason to show the sand if it wasn't part of the Magnet Release.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:04, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
-sigh- That's my whole entire point Omni. He's the ONLY one who doesn't use a normal one. Why shouldn't it be a part of the trivia? Naruto doesn't grow fur in any partial transformations, as with the others, they also don't grow or get covered in anything reminiscent of their respected beasts. [[User:SusanooUnleashed|SusanooUnleashed]] ([[User talk:SusanooUnleashed|talk]]) 13:18, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
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::: I am in agreement. I'll give some time for others to chime in, then I'm adding him. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 01:35, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
:In the trivia of his article maybe, but nothing very elaborate. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 14:11, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
Would you like to place it? I wouldn't know how to exactly word it without over-explaining it. As you can see, it was hard enough trying to explain here.. -_- [[User:SusanooUnleashed|SusanooUnleashed]] ([[User talk:SusanooUnleashed|talk]]) 22:35, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
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Please add him. I'm tired of reading this needless discussion. It should've been done weeks ago. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 01:46, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
:Garra has never intentionally gone full like bee so its still a different situation, I don't think garra trust shukaku so he doesn't accept all of shukaku chakra and willingly become shukaku he'd rather make an imitation shukaku. {{unsigned|Solorflare99}}
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Thank goodness! Agreed.--[[User:Questionaredude|Questionaredude]] ([[User talk:Questionaredude|talk]]) 01:49, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Moniker ==
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So Gaara has Magnet Release... seems legit :/. His father and former tailed beast do, not to mention he has the same markings as his father like Foxie pointed out. Gaara also infused his father's gold in his sand at one point. Things are pointing toward Gaara having it. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 02:00, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
Deidara refers to him as "Sand Jinchūriki" in episode 29 of Shippuden. Should it be counted as a moniker? --[[Special:Contributions/93.86.115.139|93.86.115.139]] ([[User talk:93.86.115.139|talk]]) 02:48, February 1, 2012 (UTC)
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Good, adding him. This also means his sand techniques are magnet, so we need to all tagteam those and get those properly listed. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 02:04, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
:No, not really. That's more of a generic name for any jinchūriki— Cloud jinchūriki, Mist jinchūriki, Stone jinchūriki etc...--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 03:03, February 1, 2012 (UTC)
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: My apologizes for filling up the activity feed. I added Magnet Release to all but [[Wind Release: Infinite Sand Cloud — Great Breakthrough]].--[[User:Questionaredude|Questionaredude]] ([[User talk:Questionaredude|talk]]) 02:25, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
I'm curios if the statement, if not a given moniker from the 2nd Mizukage to Gaara, "The Golden Egg of the Kage" would be applicable to be considered a moniker for Gaara. I mean, it seems like something that would stick to Gaara for the rest of his life, similar to Hanzo giving Hiruzen's students the titles of "Sannin." I was just curious. --[[User:Needingetting|Needingetting]] ([[User talk:Needingetting|talk]]) 01:29, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
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If Gaara is added as Magnet user along with sand techs being Magnet, then I demand us listing Ashura as jinchuuriki, otherwise I quit. Be consistent please. There's much more evidence that Ashura was a jinchuuriki than there is for sand being Magnet. Enough with picking and chosing--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:19, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
:Why exactly O.o? The Mizukage is sealed, no one heard him call him a golden egg (except possibly Naruto who has more than likely forgotten this by now) Gaara is also not the type of person to go around calling himself such.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 01:35, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== tools ==
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: Asura isn't being discussed on Gaara's page and you cannot barter on decision with another. Gaara's case is closed, Asura's isn't. The end. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:32, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
Why is Gaara's one time use of Gold Dust noted as one of his tools, but Killer B's usage of kubikiribocho or Kisame use of Killer B's swords not noted? They're the same thing.--[[Special:Contributions/76.92.243.71|76.92.243.71]] ([[User talk:76.92.243.71|talk]]) 04:16, February 23, 2012 (UTC)
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About damn time. I was going to post a close up image of Shūkaku's Rasengan variant to continue this discussion.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 16:09, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Gaara's display picture ==
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So you guys decided Gaara has Magnet release based off th evidence.. but I don't see it in his page anywhere or on his infobox.. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 18:04, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:I think they decided to remove it again, since there is no actual evidence for him having it, but rather more evidence against it. For more, please check out my [[User:Seelentau/RTS|analysis]] on this topic. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:11, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
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::I'm somewhat irked that my arguments were discounted so quickly when they ended up reaching the same outcome I was trying to convey anyway... --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 18:14, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
Can we have a more recent picture of Gaara for this article? After all, a photograph should show how a person looks now instead of showing how he looked a few years back! --Dipendra 14:09, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
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I read it Seel. but there are a few things that you can't really say, you don't know that the 3rd Kazekage is not related to the 4th.. it was just never said if he was, or if he wasn't. He may very well end up being 4th Kaze's dad. Also Gaara was born the Jinchuriki and Magnet release is something Shukaku gives to it's hosts just like how Gyuki gives ink, logically we can say Magnet release is Earth and Lightning release and def not 3 releases because that would make it a Kekkei Tota. I still think it is very possible Gaara has Magnet release because sand is still part of earth and isn't sand just tiny rocks shaped by water? So its safe to say earth release can control sand and other rocks. I would have to go with them on this and say he has magnet release.. but it can't be proven until it is stated what two natures make magnet release and if one of those natures if earth or not. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 00:03, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
Dipendra 14:09, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
:This wiki has decided that an infobox image should show the characters initial look, so the image cover the entire series. Part I characters that returns in part II has an part II appearance in the appearance section. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 14:21, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Gaara's uncle ==
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== Kekkei Genkai ==
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Shouldn't Magnet Release be under Kekkei Genkai as well? The Fourth Kazekage used it and Gaara still uses it even though he lost Shukaku.[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 16:24, November 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
Did Gaara's uncle want to kill him because of hatred of killing his sister or he didnt mean it and he was just on a mission from the Kazekage?[[User:Erin.arthur|E.N.A]] ([[User talk:Erin.arthur|talk]]) 22:51, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
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In the latest databook, Gaara '''doesn't''' have the Kekkei Genkai icon under his natures ad does not therefore possess Jiton.[[User:Pesa123456789|Pesa123456789]] ([[User talk:Pesa123456789|talk]]) 16:04, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
:[[Yashamaru]] never hated Gaara. He said those things on the orders of the Fourth to test his nephew as to whether or not he could keep from losing control.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 23:01, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Im guessing he failed. thank you.[[User:Erin.arthur|E.N.A]] ([[User talk:Erin.arthur|talk]]) 00:10, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
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:Well in the latest databook, none of the advanced natures other than the 5 basic ones as well as Yin & Yang show up.....doesn't mean they don't possess others. Gaara's sand manipulation uses Jiton through Shukaku (or so his page says), which at one point Gaara possessed, therefore he "does" possess Jiton and it needs to be put back in his infobox. Know clue why someone keeps removing it. Senseless.--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 16:37, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
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::Because he doesn't have the Kekkei Genkai. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:52, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Even though Shukaku does and was once sealed inside Gaara? Makes sense I guess. Thanks.--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 17:04, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Naruto doesn't have the Kekkei Genkai either. I don't know why he is listed with a Kekkei Genkai. The databook is mostly shit. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:07, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Ah, so I'm not losing it. I was just gonna bring that up. Know where I can find the db translations?--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 17:16, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::There are none. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:21, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
   
You could have learned that by reading the relevant articles instead of asking. People wrote it so it could be read. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 11:24, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
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@Seel, I understand Jinton having been removed as a kekkei genkai from his infobox, but why remove it from his natures?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 18:25, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
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:Because it'll automatically show up as Kekkei genkai regardless if you list it in his natures.--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 19:00, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Infobox Image ==
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Yeah, why is the nature removed? [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 18:48, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
   
[[File:Gaara mugshot.jpg|thumb|New Gaara image]] Is the image on the thumbnail to the right better for the Gaara infobox? It's more focused on Gaara than the current image imo. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 18:39, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
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@Minamoto, that's not true. For example Bunpuku's infobox gives him Magnet Release with an empty kekkei genkai column. Anyway, we list most if not all sand techniques as Magnet and state in Magnet article that it controls sand, so omitting Gaara makes no sense--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 20:58, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
:I prefer the current image. In this one, Gaara's face seems too broad, and in the current image, the angle does a better job in showcasing the kanji. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:52, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
::I feel the current one has too much stuff that is unneeded in the background. The new image makes it more centralised on Gaara and I can still see the kanji quite well in this new image. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 18:58, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::I don;t think there;s anything wrong with the background in the first one. It's not like it's drawing your attention to it. You can also see the kanji on his forehead better.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]]19:57, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::I guess there's some sort of thing where any suggestion to update the infobox image made by me is rejected for some lame reason. -.- --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 20:01, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::It's not ignored, two users answered you. Keep trying though, i'm still hopeful to find a replacement for [[Chōji]]'s ;) --[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 20:08, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::Oops, I meant "rejected" :P. I'll see if I can find a good Choji image, since I am right now watching all of the Naruto DVD's to get possible replacement images :) --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 20:10, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Gaara used doton? ==
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Bump, what to do with this. Any opinions? Foxie, anyone?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:44, November 13, 2014 (UTC)
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:@Elve, yeah I saw that. It wasn't functioning that way before though, maybe I just missed a step. On topic, all I know is that if we aren't gonna keep Jiton as a KG for Gaara even though Shukaku was sealed within him, then the same set of rules should apply for all the Jin's even though I don't completely agree with it. I was always under the impression that advanced natures were KG's.--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 21:03, November 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
in the episode "The Ultimate Weapon Reborn" he used hiding like a mole technique to avoid the wind...so does this mean he has doton?
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Bump again, we need to make final decision here. It's pretty lame that Gaara is the only Jin (former) to not reap the benefits of not having a KG section, while all the others do though they're no different, specifically Naruto, Roshi, and Han.--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 15:52, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
here is a link http://www.narutoget.com/watch/572-naruto-episode-219-english-subbed/
 
[[User:Inhale|Inhale]] ([[User talk:Inhale|talk]]) 18:44, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
:He does weave hand-seals before going underground. Doesn't have to be that one though, it could be the same technique Team Oboro used, or the one Kisame used. This requires some discussion. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:24, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Yes, it was most likely [[Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique|this]]
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So now Gaara isn't listed as a user of Magnet Release despite the evidence. But wait there is the excuse. "He isn't listed a user in the flawless databook." Give me a break. Many things aren't said in the databook; some things contradict things. The databook isn't really that reliable to be honest. According to some people logic, earth plus wind equals magnet release and Gaara being related to his father and being a jinchūriki of Shukaku who also manipulates sand points to it being so. Though I don't agree with the natures that make up Magnet Release, evidence supports why Gaara is a user. You guts are literally being hypocrites. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 20:53, November 18, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
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:What do you even want? It was a theory that Gaara had Magnet Release, nothing else. This theory was debunked by the databook, that's all. And for the thousandth time: Gaaras has absolutely nothing to do with the natures of Magnet Release, ffs. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:04, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
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::It's also a theory that Magnet Release is made of earth and wind and a pretty idoitic one at that. Besides the fact it doesnt make sense, even Kishi didn't say what the elements were made of. As for you saying Gaara has nothing to do with the natures of Magnet Release, tell others who said that the relation between Gaara and his father having similar natures giving evidence that it's made of those because Gaara has lightning but his father doesn't. Not to mention it's even more stupid to say his jutsus are magnet release but he doesn't have the nature. Smh. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 21:23, November 18, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
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:::It is no theory and I don't give a shit if it makes sense to you or not. In fact, no one here does. So stop your complaining please. Also, Magnet Release should be removed from all of Gaara's techniques, but I'm not the one to do that. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:28, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
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::::First off, do not come at me like that. Secondly, you don't have to reply. Thirdly, don't speak for everyone because I have even talked to others who agree with me, not that it's a competition but for you to say nobody cares, makes you sound ridiculous. I'm not trying to make this about me, in fact I'm trying to think logically and factually. Truth is Kishi messes up more than anything. But continue on with your business. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 21:42, November 18, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
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:::::Now, calm down, both of you. I was the one who started the Magnet=Wind+Earth idea, but I did it in the wikia's interest, not to see people going out of their way to yell at each other. I don't care what anyone thinks, as long as there's proof of what's stated in the articles.--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 21:49, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
EDIT: @Omni, it was most likely not those because:
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Okay. We better not have [[Talk:Magnet_Release#Basic_Natures|this]] again, so I suggest we move on, shall we? So far, due to '''Rasa's''' elements, Magnet = Wind + Earth. Fine. Don't like it, but fine. And also, to quote someone, "The logic of Magnetism is similar to the [[wikipedia:magnetite|magnetite]] (the most magnetic of all the naturally occurring minerals on Earth), which is formed by: 3 molecules of iron (earth) and 4 oxygen (wind) = Fe3O4." Alright then. Back to the subject, I don't think Gaara was listed as a KG user, so what's the debate here? Databook didn't list KG for Gaara like it did for Naruto, Roshi and Han, so what's the problem? According to the databook, Gaara doesn't have a KG. ~•[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WS7125'''''</font>]]<sub><span title="This user helps the wiki by moderating the forums and the chat">[Mod]</span></sub>[[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]][[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 22:26, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
* [[Earth Release: Underground Projection Fish Technique|this is for sneaking]]
 
* [[Earth Release: Subterranean Voyage|this transforms earth into a fluid, Gaara did not]]
 
* [[Earth Release: Hiding in Rock Technique|this takes on a texture of the surrounding]]
 
* [[Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique|description and appearance of this fits the most]]
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:09, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
While I agree that out of the four, that one seems the one most like what Gaara did, we have to go through the possibilities. And that one can also be used for sneaking, Deidara used it to sneak out of Team Guy when he used it with a clone. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:27, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
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:Well if you want to try and go in depth with science, then point out that "wind" contains H2O (Water) too. So are we to say water is apart of the KG? We are talking about the actual elements. No need try and go into what particles make up it to try and prove a point. FYI you breath oxegen, wind has nothing to do with it. Oxygen is always in the air. Wind is just the movement of air. In this case I'm guessing the swift movement of chakra. And are we really to trust the databook after it said Suigetsu was 3 inches taller than Sasuke. Another flaw. I can name plenty of them. But because people are so stubborn and want to put everything in the faith of the databooks, they screw up things. I'll just have to let it go. i've tried to make sense of things. I'll just worn others who may want to visit this site, that you will run into many flaws. Go at your own risk. No but I'm gonna stick to my knowledge cuz it's a lot more understandable and logical than the creator's, and that's saying something. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 23:45, November 18, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
   
You decide ; )
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:::@WS7125 and Seelentau, did the DB also state that Gaara's sand manipulation doesn't use Magnet Release? If it does state that, then wouldn't it be a good idea to note it in the form of a unique traits section? Also, just how much stock are we gonna put in the databook to begin with? Because a lot of it's content heavily contradicts the manga (not that it affects this discussion in any way) hence why I kinda concur with Rachin. For example, on this topic particularly, it's fine that Gaara isn't a KG user but the only reason possible for that is because Magnet Release is a KG of the beast itself, not Gaara. Why then does that not apply to Naruto, Han, and Roshi? Point bring, we need to watch just how much of the DB we're gonna take seriously. Just my opinion though...--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 00:22, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:35, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
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::::The databook is the first source for any and all information. You can't just go and declare part of it wrong and part of it correct by yourself, just because you don't like what it says. Only if the manga '''obviously''' contradicts the databook, the manga takes precedence. For example, Danzo doesn't have Kuchiyose in his profile, but he used it in the manga.
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::::Now, we never had any real proof that Gaara's techniques are Jiton. Reliops' theory was just that: A theory. It was built on facts, yes. But the databook didn't come to the same conclusion, hence we don't list Gaara as a Magnet Release user anymore.
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::::The basic natures for Magnet Release weren't explained in the manga, either. However, we know that an advanced nature Kekkei Genkai is always based on two basic natures. Looking at Rasa's natures - since he is the only one whose natures we know - it can only be Wind and Earth. Every other combination is simply not possible because its already taken (Wood and Ice). And that's why we list Magnet Release as Wind + Earth. Could we end this discussion now, please? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 02:31, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Okay so that means we are throwing away being a jinchūriki gives you access to the biju nature or advanced nature. Shukaku manipulates sand with Magnet Release. Gaara manipulates sand. Gaara could also get the power from his father. Are we to say that this doesn't go for Gaara because the DB didn't say so? This has nothing to do with not liking it so get that out of your mind because what's wrong is the logic. The evidence is put in your face and yet you still deny. Despite many other things we based off theory because of evidence. I mean literally how much more evidence do you need. It didn't even take much for Tsunade to be listed presumably as a Lightning Release user before the new databook. If you fail to understand rather obvious things then good day to you. Smh. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 02:46, November 19, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
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::::::Shukaku manipulates sand with Magnet Release? Might be, but Gaara doesn't, because Gaara can still move sand without being Shukaku's Jinchuriki. He got the power from his father? Then why doesn't it say Kekkei Genkai in the databook? Why isn't Magnet Release mentioned '''anywhere''' in relation to Gaara's techniques? Do you realize that? There is '''not one''' case where any connection was drawn between Magnet Release and Gaara's sand. Yes, the databook is flawed, but on multiple occassions regarding one issue? No. Just no. There is nothing obvious here, it's just you reading way too much into the manga. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 02:53, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
I believe it's Hiding Like a Mole as well, at first I thought it was simply Gaara controlling the sand below his feet in an unusual way, but them I saw that it wasn't sand, but regular rock and ground. This isn't something one person alone can decide, others should have the opportunity to chime in. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:53, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
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Maybe it's you who is reading too much into the databooks. Even jinchūriki's were counted as KG users if their biju had one. Just because the beast is removee doesn't necessarily mean the user couldn't still acquire the nature or KG in thus case. This is proven as factor as Shukaku manipulates sand with Magnet Release and would you look, Gaara manipukates sand too. If you want more in your face evidence Gaara's father could be a possibility of Gaara being a user. Just becasue the DB didn't say so doesn't mean crap. Kishi didn't state a lot of stuff but we made a theory based off some evidence. Or Kishi does state something and 8/10 he contradicts the manga. So as for you saying there is "not one" connection between Gaara's sand and Magnet Release you need to rethink what you said. Like I said it's obvious. Just like apparently Magnet Release being made of earth and wind because of Rasa despite Kishi not actually stating so, however, he did give us Shukaku and hosts have been known to get their biju's natures. Wow this is completely sad. How could you not understand? Sigh. And @Seel you don't have to keep posting. If you are so annoyed with it, ignore it. Nobody is forcing you keep posting. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 03:22, November 19, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
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:"Just because the beast is removee doesn't necessarily mean the user couldn't still acquire the nature or KG in thus case." - It does.
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:"Shukaku manipulates sand with Magnet Release" - Never stated in the manga or databooks.
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:"Just becasue the DB didn't say so doesn't mean crap." - I wish you would stop acting as if you were to decide what is crap and what isn't. You are not. And I can do this all day long. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 03:26, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hmm ... Earth + Wind = Sand !!!
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:: Here is my one cent on the issue of the 4th databook's occasional disparity with the manga, and Gaara's Magnet Release. An error of omission is not as significant as an error of inclusion. For example, the databook's omission of Madara in the list of Izanagi users cannot be considered to mean a direct assertion that Madara is not a user. Although the databook's silence strongly implies the exclusion of Madara from the list, yet it is still short of an explicit declaration of an exclusion, as in the databook never directly states that Madara is not an Izanagi user. Now assuming, for example, the databook listed Tsunade as a Perfect Susanoo user, then we'll call that error of inclusion a true contradiction, because the databook is explicitly making a claim that is faulty. But in a situation like Gaara's purported Magnet Release, where the databook remains silent on it and the manga does not ''explicitly'' affirm it, it will be a mistake to build a fact out of it. My suggestion is to remove "Magnet Release" from Gaara's infobox and then explain everything that implies he might posses Magnet Release in his trivia. Putting a speculation (which might arguably be correct, but nonetheless still a speculation) into his infobox introduces an error of inclusion, whereas simply omitting it causes no harm. [[User:NoJutsu|NoJutsu]] ([[User talk:NoJutsu|talk]]) 03:31, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
I think as long as there's not someone that dislike the idea, go for it ... you are an admin after all : )
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:::Here is the thing @Seel. I never said that my opinion is superior to anyone's. I even said that I am only going off logic and facts. Now for Shukaku. He is a Magnet Release user. Sand is mad of quartz which can hold magnetism. Do the math. Just like Boil Release not being stated actually to be fire and water but that's plainly obvious. Basic science. Anyways let's see when you have a user of Magnet Release manipulate sand and the host manipulates sand you put two and two together and say he uses that. Gaara like his father has earth and wind and like you guys said thats what supposedly make up Magnet release. Gaara having Magnet Release is literally right there. Kishi also didn't say Tsunade has lightning releasd yet people still put it there and put presumed. @NoJutsu I can agree that Gaara's info has not been touched on yet that didn't stop people from putting other presumed things, just saying. We can't sit here and be hypocrites especially when much if the things on this wiki is based off theories. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 03:48, November 19, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
We might wait a day or so for more comments to come though ; D
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::::I don't care about math or any real life science. This is a fictional work and as long as Gaara isn't stated to be a Magnet Release user, he won't be added as one. That's all I have to say. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 03:57, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:00, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
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:::::I find that laughable. This fiction series uses physics of real life but when someone questions something, you have the nerve to say, "It's fiction." And I'm sure you have nothing else to say because all you do or at least seem to do is rely on these flawed databooks, fact proven so. I could only say to you sir that your logic of Naruto must be all over the place seeing how that's how the databooks are too. I am not even trying to get to you Seel since you seem to have made up your mind. I wish you could understand but oh well. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 04:04, November 19, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
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:::::@Rachin. I have to agree with you that so many stuff on here are based on theories, which is really sad. It's even ironically worse than Wikipedia, where there is even much more incentive to saturate articles with loaded statements. This discussion asides, it baffles me why some Narutowikia editors can't just stick to canon-facts, especially when there is no reason for agendas to be charged with hot sentiments; after all, this is not real life stuff. [[User:NoJutsu|NoJutsu]] ([[User talk:NoJutsu|talk]]) 04:10, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
So ?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:53, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
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Except dear Rachin, this has nothing to do with physics or chemistry. Wind-natured chakra is just sharp n' thin pieces of chakra, needle-like. Earth-natured chakra is chakra that can alter density and weight. There's no actual wind and gases in it nor actual earth with minerals in it.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 16:10, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
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:Honestly, using the facts that Magnet Release was confirmed to be an advanced nature made of two basic ones, and Rasa's elements in the databook, Magnet Earth + Wind and damn what Rachin123 says. We're no longer arguing what Magnet Release is made of, TU3 closed that discussion, so please, let's drop it. This is getting annoying. We're discussing KG here. ~•[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WS7125'''''</font>]]<sub><span title="This user helps the wiki by moderating the forums and the chat">[Mod]</span></sub>[[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]][[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 17:49, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
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::Except though it isn't natural wind it is still used and technically combined with the air around it creating some sort of current of air. Like earth. They use the natural earth and conjunction with their special earth chakra to manipulate it. And @Windy nobody is arguing anynore what Magnet Release is made of so I'll stop you right there. Don't sit here ane try and say Naruto do not use physics in their logic and throughout the series. However they tend to defy it but that's another thing. What I'm try to get at is Gaara not being listed as a Magnet Release user despite some evidence. Guess that means Rasa and Gaara's third eye are completely different too, besides one being mix with gold dust. Damn what the databooks say. They had so many wrong turns, it would silly to find them so reliable. But you guys are being hyprocrites. With that said I take my leave from this talk page because I'm sick of trying to explain things that you just don't seem to get through your heads. It is what it is I guess. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 18:23, November 19, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
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:::Read again. It's not just that Gaara doesn't have a kekkei genkai in the book (which could be an error) but his techniques are not described as having anything to do with magnetism either. Is that an error too? In other words, unless Seel and other translators all over other forums missed some crucial information by an accident, then '''sand isn't moved by Magnet Release''' and thus it should be removed. You and others were simply wrong, get over it.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 18:44, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
Nooooo no no nooooo. Utterly against this.
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I don't understand why you guys are trying so hard to make something out of nothing. It has not been mentioned anywhere that gaara has magnet release and screw rasa's natures.
   
First of all other shinobi have gone underground before without it being labelled as Earth Release- I remember that being said somewhere that it's not impossible. Sai did it when he went to speak with Orochimaru for example. Orochimaru himself did it when spying on Team 7.
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@raichin: yes their has been many things in the narutoverse where real-world science was implemented but that doesn't also mean that everything in naruto is. like seel said this is just a work of fiction so stop taking it seriously. Who cares if he wiki says he has magnet release or not, it's not about the wiki. it's about what you yourself personally think. opinions matter [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 19:09, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
Secondly where Gaara goes underground, it simply looks like him breaking down the surface of the earth into sand and then submerging himself in it and then reappearing. I believe that it was in that very same filler arc that he said he is able to break down earth and mix this with his own to create even more sand.
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but just to be clear, gaara doesn't have magnet release! [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 19:11, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
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:I never said Sand = Magnet, so don't confuse me with those who did just yet. But considering Rachin123 has "taken his leave from this talk page" like he said, we can finally move on. We're not going to disregard the databooks because he doesn't like them. That being said, let's move on before TU3 closes this discussion, hm? ~•[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WS7125'''''</font>]]<sub><span title="This user helps the wiki by moderating the forums and the chat">[Mod]</span></sub>[[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]][[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 19:59, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
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::Gaara is still listed as a user of Magnet Release and his jutsus. Shouldn't you guys get right on that since apparently he doesn't have it. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 17:22, November 20, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
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:::You can either do it yourself (and see if all of those jutsu are locked) or continue to complain loudly. The choice is yours.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:42, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Magnet Release should be removed from all of Gaara's techniques. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:44, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::I'm not complaining. I just find it ironic how the people who were such in a hurry to disclose him having Magnet Release didn't remove Magnet Release from his possession. However, if it's not Magnet Release. Shall we assume he using Earth Release? I mean I guess that seems right. Also was any of his techniques ranked before the change? [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 17:54, November 20, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
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Nope. Sand is being moved by ''nothing'' as far as this wiki is going to be concerned.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:56, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:Back to square one. So Sand does not equal magnet due to the databook. And sand being moved by chakra isn't a possible answer rather than ''nothing''? ~•[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WS7125'''''</font>]]<sub><span title="This user helps the wiki by moderating the forums and the chat">[Mod]</span></sub>[[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]][[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 18:10, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::I was being facetious. It's obvious sand is moved with chakra. The nature of it is now nothing. Databook makes no mention of sand, but Naruto's Magnet Rasenshuriken had sand. You'd think being Shukaku's Jinchuriki would be sand but clearly that bit was not important to Kishimoto and arguing about it worked out so much better last time. So sand has no nature once again.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:14, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Of course you were. I know. So, it would be plausible to remove Magnet Release from Sand techniques now? Okay. ~•[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WS7125'''''</font>]]<sub><span title="This user helps the wiki by moderating the forums and the chat">[Mod]</span></sub>[[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]][[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 18:20, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
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The sand comes from something. Sand equals crushed rocks, minerals, etc. Stemming from Earth therefore Earth Release. I even remember Gaara mentioning he could create more sand by crushing the rocks in his fight against Kimimaro. Also I remember there being ranks for the jutsus before the Magnet Release change. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 18:24, November 20, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
   
Saying that Gaara uses Earth Release is opening a can of worms I don't think we should call down on ourselves.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup></sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:09, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
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@TU3, too bad Reliops isn't here to counter this. Would have been a lovely debate. He's on a paid vacation for now. I wonder who'll remove Magnet now.... ~•[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WS7125'''''</font>]]<sub><span title="This user helps the wiki by moderating the forums and the chat">[Mod]</span></sub>[[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]][[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 18:27, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:I'll do so. However do you guys consent to the sand being manipulated with earth release chakra? [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 18:31, November 20, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
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::No? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:32, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Sand is just a tool being moved by chakra. ~•[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WS7125'''''</font>]]<sub><span title="This user helps the wiki by moderating the forums and the chat">[Mod]</span></sub>[[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]][[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 18:34, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::::So was these jutsus ever ranked? I sworn they were once before the change of it being Magnet Release controlling sand and since KG aren't ranked, it was removed. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 18:38, November 20, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
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:::::Well, that would've been bullshit. Just check the databooks for ranks. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:40, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::1st) We should still keep Gaara with Magnet Release, 'cause we know that Shukaku has it (and gives it to its jinchūriki), 2nd) Gaara used it to move Rasa's Gold Dust against Gengetsu, didn't he?--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 18:42, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
Well, it was clarly meant to be Earth Release.
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There was one sand jutsu in the third data bok that had a rank. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 18:48, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
But it's a filler, so if Kurama has fire release then I dont see the problem with this--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:26, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
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:But [[hiden]] jutsu also used to not have a rank, but some of them do now. I think we shouldn't rush in removing Magnet Release from the sand-based jutsu yet, but I guess that's just me. The whole logic of "it was never stated in the databook" is meh.. to me, 'cause the databook made LOTs of mistakes. We should only improve articles, not remove info from 'em. But again, i guess its just me..--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 18:51, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
:How exactly is it "clearly meant to be earth release" when I just provided plausible explanation that it's simply sand? There's a lot more to consider where Gaara is concerned that Kurama and just arbitrarily handing out nature transformations to people. Kurama and Gaara aren't the same.
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:Also, Orochimaru is listed as a Wood Release User, despite the databook saying he has no kekkei genkai.. Your point is invalid, my friends.--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 19:00, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
:If you check episode 220 you'll see where Gaara says what I stated before as he begins breaking down the earth to form sand. It's not far-fetched that he did the same thing to protect himself.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:32, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
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It's weird. We know the jinchūriki are known to gain its Biju's attributes and abilities. Are we to say that Gaara is just the exception. Yea no. He should be listed as a user. His jutsus don't have to. However, doesn't Shukaku manipulate sand with his Magnet Release though? If so like I said it's completely bias to not give it to Gaara. Like what does Shukaku do with the KG? [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 19:30, November 20, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
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:Jesus fuck. The jinchuriki do NOT gain their tailed beasts powers if the beast doesn't give it to them. And it was never ever stated that Shukaku uses Magnet Release to move it sand, anywhere. Stop making shit up, for fucks sake. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:51, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::Tau please don't start with me. Every jinchūriki of name and value has been shown with the abilities of their Biju. Now this could be because the beast shares it with them like you said but my point I'm saying is, do honestly believe Gaara is the only one who doesn't get the abilities of their Biju? As for Shukaku manipulating sand with Magnet Release, I'm only going off of what Shukaku's page says. We know Shukaku has Magnet Release. However, if he doesn't manipulate it with sand it needs to be fixed. However, Gaara being a jinchūriki and as far as we are concerned all the beasts jinchūriki's have their abilities. Now Gaara might not make use of Magnet Release but it should still be known he has it. Or had it since the extraction of Shukaku. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 20:29, November 20, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
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:::Sorry for the language, but it seems you don't get my point. Shukaku was never said to control its sand with Magnet Release. Gaara still retains his sand control even after removing Shukaku, therefore, it can't be because of Shukaku or its Magnet Release. Gaara himself has no Kekkei Genkai either (this could be a mistake, but we will treat it as true as long as proven false), so he can't have Magnet Release from his father. Lastly, we don't know if he could use Shukaku's Magnet Release, because a tailed beast won't willingly give its power to its jinchuriki. By the way, there are hints that Shukaku's Magnet Release has to do with its sealing pattern. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:43, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
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It's okay. I'm not here to start problems but to address the situation and get it solved. I compromise to Gaara not using Magnet Release to control sand. The only thing I found odd is that Gaara was the only jinchūriki who didn't get all of its Biju's abilities minus the Sand manipulation. The only reason I brought up Shukaku was because his page stated he uses Magnet Release to manipulate the sand but you said it was never stated in the databooks nor was it hinted so I guess it was a theory and needs to be fixed. At the end, I guess Gaara doesn't use Magnet Release and I'll get on with the changes. However, since you said it's sort of hinted Shukaku's Magnet Release comes from his cursed marks would [[Desert Layered Imperial Funeral]] be Magnet Release because Shukaku can use it too with his curse seals? [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 21:12, November 20, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
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:Gaara's an unique case even for Shukaku's jinchūriki, because of his mother.--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 21:16, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::You mean her will manifestation through Gaara's sand? Yes, that's another topic altogether as well. ~•[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WS7125'''''</font>]]<sub><span title="This user helps the wiki by moderating the forums and the chat">[Mod]</span></sub>[[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]][[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 00:30, November 21, 2014 (UTC)
   
He had no sand in that scene ... he created it after to shield Naruto
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Huh... I guess Gaara's statement that soaking his sand in a ton of blood increased his power over it was a red herring for Magnet Release. [[User:Arawn 999|Arawn 999]] ([[User talk:Arawn 999|talk]]) 03:01, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:30, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Like I said before, he stated he was able to break down rocks and minerals into sand.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:16, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
And how you think he do it ? Earth release makes sense
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Series is over. I care very little what goes on with this wikia. For the sake of a proving a point though: the data books omit a lot of things. e.g. I believe the latest one suggests only Madara has Perfect Susanoo iirc. We know that is incorrect because we have observed Sasuke and Kakashi manifest Perfect Susanoo. Gaara's case is no difference. I have already gone through the effort of making my case supported by evidence and facts in the manga. Do with that what you will.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 23:15, November 26, 2014 (UTC)
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:20, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
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:I know that the databook is wrong with many things. But Gaara's Magnet Release could've been mentioned on many pages, his articles, each of his techniques, his father's article, Shukaku's article, the tailed beast's articles and Shukaku's techniques. But there is not one word that connects Gaara and Magnet Release. So even if your theory works out in real life, it's obious that Kishimoto thought otherwise. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 17:00, November 27, 2014 (UTC)
:How does it make more sense if he never indicated it was Doton and has never used it before? Cerez's point makes more sense given what we know about Gaara's abilities. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 17:25, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
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:: So @Seel, why not add Sand manipulation to his unique traits section? It's something only Gaara can do right?--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 13:26, November 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:::I have no idea what gets added to that section and what not, please ask someone else for that^^ • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:30, November 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Yay, crap I can actually answer. The Unique Traits section was original a section specific to tailed beasts to make note of their aptly named "Unique Traits" before this current databook basically just states "They all ninjutsu". I see no reason why ''not'' to keep this section and Gaara's status as a jinchuriki makes it all the better for sand manipulation to kinda go there if it'll settle this whole bloody affair. Cheers.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:40, November 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
He made no mention of using Earth Release there. Just simply that he could create sand through that method. During his fight with Kimimaro, Gaara could be said to have done something similar and summoned a huge amount of sand from underground. As far as I know, that was never considered Earth Release, nor were they at a sandy area like in the SWWIV.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:37, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
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== New Part 1 Image ==
   
I think it is pretty obvious that he didn't use Earth Release. Gaara's chakra is messed up and he doesn't have the strength in this specific moment to use any chakra move that requires to consume a great amount of chakra , that would be need to avoid this attack (by blocking with some sort of sand wall , shield etc.). So he just used the sand there was around him. He dug himself underground of a moment and then shown up. This technique would require a too small amount of chakra , so he used this. [[User:ISEN|ISEN]] ([[User talk:ISEN|talk]])
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I found [[:File:Gaara Part 1.png|this]] image of Gaara that i believe is better than the current one as he is looking straight and is more close up on his face. Would anyone be appose to changing his infobox image to this? --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 00:38, November 24, 2014 (UTC)
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:Eh... I like the current image. And your image just looks weird to me. Don't know why and can't explain it, it just does. ~•[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WS7125'''''</font>]]<sub><span title="This user helps the wiki by moderating the forums and the chat">[Mod]</span></sub>[[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]][[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 00:41, November 24, 2014 (UTC)
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::Any image of Gaara looks weird because of his absent eyebrows haha. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 11:25, November 24, 2014 (UTC)
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Nope don't like it. He looks to much like a little boy to me --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#3B0B0B">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 14:31, November 24, 2014 (UTC)
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:It's fine with me either way, but I'd lean more toward the current image. --[[User:SSJ2AJB|SSJ2AJB]] ([[User talk:SSJ2AJB|talk]]) 23:00, November 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
And here's [http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4183/gaarawn.jpg a picture]] I found of Gaara exiting the ground. Note all of the ''sand''. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 17:45, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
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== Databook Info ==
   
"I believe that it was in that very same filler arc that he said he is able to break down earth and mix this with his own to create even more sand" Quoted from Cerez. I would just like to indicate that it wasn't just that filler arc where this has been mentioned, in his fight with Kimimaro which has been referenced above, Gaara specifically stated that he can break down minerals in the ground to create sand, in particular the hardest minerals in the ground to create the hardest shield, that mini-shukaku thing that Kimimaro failed to bust through. Now while I could go on a tirade about the definition of sand and whether or not Gaara can control any substance of that consistency, all previous notes on his ability do point to this simply being him dodging the attack by reducing the ground beneath him to sand. --[[User:Hawkeye2701|Hawkeye2701]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye2701|talk]]) 17:49, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
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Posting some databook information:
   
"This technique changes earth into fine sand by channelling chakra into it, allowing the user to dig through it like a mole. This effect goes around the body (not just the hands), making it just large enough for a person to move through. The user can pinpoint where they are, despite being underground, by sensing the magnetic forces. They can also sense what is happening on the surface and use that information to launch a surprise attack on the enemy.[2][3][4] One can also hide deep in the ground, escaping to a depth where the enemy can't reach. It also appears that after digging, the ground can be returned to its original state, leaving no trace of where the user entered the earth.[5]"
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* I know this is already mentioned on his page, but I have some extra info. The databook says that 'Cultivating cacti is his '''secret''' hobby. '''In his room there are many cacti and he collects the rare varieties'''.'
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:40, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
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* On Karura's page, it mentions that 'Even after her flesh body has disappeared from this world, she left her chakra in Gaara’s sand.' I think that's really important.
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* His page mentions that his personality is 'Composed' and 'Fearless'--[[User:EmotionalRockfish|EmotionalRockfish]] ([[User talk:EmotionalRockfish|talk]]) 07:57, November 29, 2014 (UTC)
@Hawkeye: I actually had the vs. Kimimaro reference but I removed it because I couldn't bother to verify that was what was said.
 
@Eleveonora: ? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:59, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
I'm not disputing the fact that Gaara may have nature transformations especially given recent revelations about his heritage etc but I don't think this is a good enough case to cite him as an Earth Release user.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:59, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
sand is basically ground up rock
 
Sand=Stone
 
Stone=Earth
 
Earth manipulation = doton[[User:Inhale|Inhale]] ([[User talk:Inhale|talk]]) 23:03, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
@Cerez, that's the description of Earth Release: Hiding like a mole ... it does not contradict what was shown --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:38, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Neither does it contradict what Gaara has done before— in the manga— which has never been labelled earth release.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:42, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Pretty much, I don't care one way or other.
 
It matter little if we list him as a Earth Release user or not. The manga never stated Kurama has wind release either, just that a single swing of it's tail can create tsunami and earthquakes or something akin to that. Also it's chakra is hot, the animators took that as Wind and Fire release ... I don't see how he can break the minerals without earth release or something + what he has shown fits the description of hiding like a mole technique--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:52, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Last I checked Kurama's chakra is corrosive, not hot. But since we've found a plausible explanation for what he did, I'd say this topic is pretty much concluded. Not because a technique looks like something means it is. Kabuto and his current pirated techniques are a prime example of that.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 00:02, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Sensor? ==
 
 
His ability to track has been added as a sensory technique on the sensor page, should he be called a sensor or is that being left solely to those who sense chakra itself, not a contact type?
 
 
--[[User:Kotoamatsukami|Kotoamatsukami]] ([[User talk:Kotoamatsukami|talk]]) 18:22, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:Gaara is not a sensor based on just one technique. I would presume someone is classified as a sensor because they have much more sensitive chakra. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 18:23, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Persons are not being classified as sensors outside of using the "traditional" [[Chakra Sensing Technique]], something similar, or else is called a sensor.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:29, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::Karin is: [[Mind's Eye of the Kagura]]. What I'm asking is what the requirements to be called a sensor are because Gaara can sense but in an alternative way.
 
::@ Cerez, fair enough. i was just unsure.
 
 
--[[User:Kotoamatsukami|Kotoamatsukami]] ([[User talk:Kotoamatsukami|talk]]) 18:33, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
:One with the ability ro detect chakra is an actual sensor. The detection is like another sense (a la Ki sensing in DBZ). Gaara does not do this. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 03:51, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
::^That's much clearer lol. The ability to detect chakra = sensor classification.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:15, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Third eye affected by genjutsu? ==
 
 
when mizukage placed the entire battlefield under a genjutsu, it looked like the third eye could see where the mizukage was. does this mean it isn't affected by genjutsu :S--{{Unsigned|Inhale}}
 
:Gaara only used the eye after Captain Awesome's genjutsu had ended. Remember he was fighting the mirage so it seems more like Gaara simply left the eye near Ōnoki so he could keep an ''eye'' on him.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 02:45, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Gaara speed and reaction time ==
 
 
 
but i was re-watching the gaara and lee fight and noticed Within a split second he escaped from a high level Taijutsu attack and positioned himself hidden and behind Lee.[[User:Inhale|Inhale]] ([[User talk:Inhale|talk]]) 01:13, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Yeah, I think it's written. —[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]|[[w:c:rockleesheishun|My Wiki]]) 01:18, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
oh .____. [[User:Inhale|Inhale]] ([[User talk:Inhale|talk]]) 01:21, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== How does Gaara control sand? ==
 
 
How does Gaara control sand? Is it by his wind nature, or is it a kekkei genkai?{{unsigned|Devster12}}
 
 
neither as it has never been stated as such. the only explanation given was that gaara infused large amounts of chakra into the sand to give him control over it, it's an ability granted to him and any other host of [[Shukaku]].[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.181|71.71.58.181]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.181|talk]]) 08:06, July 4, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
 
 
Since Shukaku is gone, it may have something to do with his mother protecting him and shit--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:35, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Just read the article. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 15:44, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
But his father also could control sand and even gold dust, and he didn't even possess the Shukaku. - [[User:Devster12|Devster12]] ([[User talk:Devster12|talk]]) 21:51, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
His father had Magnet Release--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:20, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Gaara's father could only control gold dust Devster12, not sand. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:48, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Oh, well this is so discombobulating x3 - [[User:Devster12|Devster12]] ([[User talk:Devster12|talk]]) 00:34, July 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Kankurō not listed in family? ==
 
 
Has anyone else noticed that Kankurō is not listed as Gaara's brother in the "Family" section on the side bar of this page? Look closely also at the other members of the family, because I think there were mistakes in the family listings in those, as well. --[[User:ScruffyC|ScruffyC]] ([[User talk:ScruffyC|talk]]) 05:42, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
 
:He isn't there for me either. Must be a glitch, so it should sort itself out soon.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:37, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
 
::Ah, just a glitch, okay. I wondered how something could be overlooked for so long xD. --[[User:ScruffyC|ScruffyC]] ([[User talk:ScruffyC|talk]]) 03:13, September 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Yup. There are a lot of problems due to the MediaWiki upgrade.{{User:UltimateSupreme/Sig}} 03:31, September 28, 2012 (UTC)
 

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New part 2 image Edit

I resently uploaded this pic: [[1]]. And I find it better than the current one, since it put a bit more distance to him, so you can see all his hair and sholders. --Kasan94 (talk) 18:21, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

And he dosn't look so sad. --Kasan94 18:45, November 6, 2013 (UTC)
There is no consensus on this change, so please don't make an arbitrary decision to change things. If nobody replies to your message, simply bump it and ask again. If there is still no reply, then people don't see any reason to change the image. Frankly, I prefer the current image over your one because the current one shows his proper mood (which is indeed sad, most of the time) --Speysider Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 15:49, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

part 2 image Edit

What do you think about this image for Gaara's infobox? It is more recent, and it is the way he currently looks,besides that, his kanji is more visible. I'm new to this wiki (hence the hopeful wish to do some changes on it) so I hope I posted everything in order. :) Vojkffy (talk) 20:16, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

Don't add messages in the middle of other discussions that have long died. Moved your request to the bottom for easier viewing. --Speysider Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 20:18, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

I don't see why it's necessary to change. There is no significant difference in Gaara between the two images. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:42, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

Gaara's sand manipulationEdit

His sand manipulation should be listed as a unique trait on his infobox, he retained this ability after having Shakaku removed. Shakaku has it listed as one so should Gaara. (Kuroiraikou (talk) 13:25, April 13, 2014 (UTC))

This.--Elveonora (talk) 13:37, April 13, 2014 (UTC)
Also listing produce ink on Killer B unique trait as well.(Kuroiraikou (talk) 15:10, April 13, 2014 (UTC))
Point of clarification, the "unique trait" bit in infoboxes was designed strictly for tailed beasts.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 15:12, April 13, 2014 (UTC)
Really? Then why do human characters use it too?--Elveonora (talk) 15:22, April 13, 2014 (UTC)
I've seen chakra absorption listed on alot of humans infoboxs.(Kuroiraikou (talk) 15:26, April 13, 2014 (UTC))
I said "designed strictly". It was for the tailed beasts and their unique abilities exclusive to that tailed beast and their jinchuriki. If memory serves me correctly I think they were there when the ability section in articles were just a list if techniques and no details.
Quite frankly the section is a relic and could probably be removed as is. It's purpose is now being served within the article proper.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 15:34, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

are all gonna just forget that Gaara controls sand by infusing chakra into it? which he keeps in his gourd, its not foolish to believe while in battle he does this to surrounding sand. Also, it's likely Gaara w designed around his tailed beast like Roshi was. FlyingRaijinGod (talk) 06:23, August 9, 2014 (UTC)

Magnetism Release Edit

The latests raws prove that Shukaku uses Jiton. Does this not pretty much confirm that Gaara was using Magnetism Release all along? If not through his father's genes (note the eye markings when his father uses Jiton), then surely his ability to manipulate sand was due to Shukaku's ability. As Obito recently demonstrated for us again, bijū skills can remain with a jinchūriki even after extraction.--Reliops (talk) 02:38, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

The eyes were a huge indication that Gaara used Magnet Release, but this proves it completely. Gaara is a Jiton user. Derigar (talk) 14:12, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

Completely possible, and most completely likely. Doubt we will ever know for sure so until then, he does not get listed.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 14:14, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

Gaara a Jinton user? Highly possible, considering both his father and Tailed Beasts had it, but still not confirmed. Sand manipulation = Jinton? Perhaps, but too speculation/not confirmed so nope.--Elveonora (talk) 14:27, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

One could argue this that it's not too speculatory at all. Iron Sand, which uses Magnet Release was said to have been designed off Shukaku. Shukaku using it on its own damn near proves it. But things are never so simple around here.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 14:39, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
Sand isn't magnetic tho.--Elveonora (talk) 14:47, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
And fire isn't black and burns hotter than the sun for a week. Your point?--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 15:01, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
But we can't just assume that sand in Narutoverse is magnetic or that he uses special sand that is. Also Magnet Release is unlikely to be what moves the sand, because Gaara would be able to sustain Kunai and stuff in the air, which he hasn't shown. A Magnet Release which can't manipulate anything but sand is illogical--Elveonora (talk) 15:06, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
When did I say we could assume anything. I said it was probable and likely, and then even stated things are never so simple around here to imply that it wasn't going into the article anyway.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 15:08, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

Cant you just add it and say presumably like on tsunades page? Munchvtec (talk) 15:32, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

No. Tsunade's case is different. Also, how the hell could Gaara's daddy subdue Shukaku with Jiton when Shukaku itself can use Jiton? This makes no sense at all. • Seelentau 愛 15:56, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

Its a very long running anime/manga series. not everything needs to make sense. We can't answer every question asked. Munchvtec (talk) 15:57, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

Tsunade's case was weird before we even began having these types of conversations, mainly because of the difference between electric signals in the nerves, and lightning that does actual lightning things.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 15:59, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
@Seel, basically we are led to believe that Shukaku's Jinton can exclusively manipulate only sand (which isn't even magnetic) somehow ._. 4th Kazekage used Golden Dust which is heavier than sand therefore overpowered Shukaku.--Elveonora (talk) 16:02, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think tsunade has lightning release but lets stay on the topic= Gaara. Munchvtec (talk) 16:02, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

Jiton doesn't manipulate anything. It changes the Chakra nature to a magnetism nature, nothing else. Sand isn't magnetic so it can't be manipulated with Jiton. Gold is dia-magnetic, at least. But sand? No way. • Seelentau 愛 16:04, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

Kishimoto is screwing with us. Munchvtec (talk) 16:05, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

@Seel, then suppose Shukaku was just dumb enough not to defend himself with his own Jinton against Kazekage's Golden Dust. Otherwise Kishi doesn't know that sand ain't magnetic or he just doesn't care, because (sarcasm) it's completely logical for magnetic chakra to magnetize ONLY sand, magnetic or not.--Elveonora (talk) 16:08, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
Kishimoto has all but said plenty of times, he is no scientist. If he was, jamming ones eye into your skull would not all of a sudden make it work.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 16:09, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
That still doesn't explain why would Shukaku's Jinton affect but sand. That's like Katon which burns only paper but people are safe--Elveonora (talk) 16:12, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
Well, in the end, it doesn't even matter, since this is but speculation. If anyone adds Jiton to Gaara's natures, I'll revert it. • Seelentau 愛 16:15, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

I understand where both sides are coming from, but I think instead of having these length discussions about steps to take in doing things… we wait… Clearly Kishimoto intends to explain all of this.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 16:35, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

I think the primary argument here stems from Gaara's eyes. The Fourth Kazekage got the same damn eyes when he used Jiton and Gaara was shown in the very next chapter using his father's Gold Dust along with his own sand. I will not voice my support either way, but c'mon people. Not everything has to have a giant flashing neon-light banner above it to be completely obvious. Very high probability here that its the case. Our best bet, to be sure though, is a new databook. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 16:37, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
I wouldn't take those eye markings necessarily as an indication of Jinton. We were told they are from insomnia in Gaara's case after all, not to mention the shuriken Jinton user has no markings--Elveonora (talk) 16:41, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
Shuriken-jutsu user was from Kirigakure. Could be a different strain of the genetic trait. Works that way in real life too. Gaara's father gained the rings when he began using Magnet Release. As I've said, Gaara also used Gold Dust in the very next chapter, in tandem with his sand. Again, I'm not supporting or denying, I'm just saying: common sense people. Doesn't take much. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 16:59, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
So Jinton usage causes insomnia? (sarcasm)--Elveonora (talk) 17:24, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

@Elveonora. "Magnet Release (磁遁, Jiton; Viz "Magnet Style") is an advanced chakra nature kekkei genkai which allows the user to convert chakra into magnetic forces and magnetise an object." Tell me again, annoyingly, how sand isn't "magnetic". Derigar (talk) 18:12, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

Toroi's Jiton worked completely different from Sunagakure's Jiton. If Yondaime could magnetise stuff like Toroi, he could have simply magnetised a lot of shinobi and impaled them with gold. We need to wait to see how Shukaku's Magnet Release works. We have to see what its effects are. Once we have that clear, we look to see if there are any of Shukaku's or Gaara's sand techniques that have the same effects. If any of the techniques apply, they'll be retroactively called Jiton, much like Sandaime's were when Magnet Release was released, and when Deidara was confirmed a user of Explosion Release. Does that sound like a sensible approach? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:22, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

That is a perfect way to handle it, Omnibender! Derigar (talk) 18:23, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

How can magnetism itself be used in different ways? I get that you can apply it to either shuriken or iron sand, but it stays magnetism, doesn't it? • Seelentau 愛 18:26, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
@Omni We may not even see the Magnet Rasengan's effect, because Madara vanished. If it won't affect him on the missing pages of chapter 674, then we will have to wait for Naruto to use it again, which he may not do--Elveonora (talk) 18:27, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
@Seelentau - Different genetic versions of the same Kekkei Genkai MIGHT result in different effects. The Sand kekkei genkai specialised in large amount, small objects; akin to sand. The Stone kekkei genkai specialised in small amount, large objects; akin to a ninja tools. This is taken from direct observations. Either way, it is confirmed that Shukaku and Gaara's father both have Magnet Release (JITON, not Jinton -_-), so Gaara both got Magnet release from his father (genetically) and his Bijuu (akin to Roshi, or however he's called). Thinking Gaara doesn't have Magnet release is illogical and honestly, just plain dumb. Derigar (talk) 18:43, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
Calling me dumb is... well, the most dumbest thing you could've done. Gaara has no Magnet Release because as logical as your explanations are, it was never ever hinted at. So we don't add Gaara as a MR user. Full stop. • Seelentau 愛 18:49, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
Not to mention even if it were 200% fact that he does, it doesn't necessarily mean it's the Jinton that controls the sand--Elveonora (talk) 19:06, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
Never called you dumb, just that all these major hints that Gaara has jiton are being ignored is dumb in my eyes. Derigar (talk) 23:29, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

"Magnetism Release (Presumed)"? Edit

As we have discussed to quite some lengths, alls signs point towards Gaara being a Magnetism Release user, however, as this has not been explicitly stated, I suggest we add it to his info box with the "(Presumed)" tag next to it.--Reliops (talk) 19:34, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

If Gaara had ever used some jutsu that looked like Magnet Release, I'd agree with you, but for now, well, he didn't.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 19:38, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

Shukaku's ability to control sand is presumably Magnetism Release though, and since Gaara retained that ability, it would appear that his presumed Magnetism Release is naturally aligned with sand. It's not that far off from his father's gold dust.--Reliops (talk) 19:50, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

In two seconds I searched 'Is Sand Magnetic?', and the answer is no, it isn't. Black sand can be magnetic, due to certain minerals within it, but Gaara's sand definitely isn't black. Also it's called Magnet Release, stop saying Magnetism. --Atrix471 (talk) 19:56, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

Please read this and tell me what you think: <no links> If you don't feel like clicking:

"I actually made a thread aaaages ago about this after gaaras dad displayed the same eye rings as gaara. There is two types of magnetism:

1) paramagnetism: is a form of magnetism whereby something is attracted to a source via a magnetic field. This is most similar to toroi's magnetic shuriken.

2) diamagnetism: type of magnetism which repels objects with a magnetic force. Quartz the main component of sand is diamagnetic and hence why gaara can manipulate it and make it fly through the air. He is essentially manipulating the magnetic forces that repel the sand off the ground.

Given this info it's most likely a combination of lightning and earth release in that the minerals in the ground or sand are magnetised to form the repulsion field." --Reliops (talk) 20:15, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if sand isn't magnetic, pure gold isn't magnetic either but Kishimoto has someone using Magnet Release with it. If he wants Gaara to be a magnet release user then he'll tell us so eventually. We cannot presume until then. Because that would mean that Temaru and Kankurō are using Magnet Release presumably with their abilities as well. That's the problem with "presuming" in Gaara's case.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 20:21, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

We presume a lot of things on this wiki. We presumed Orochimaru had Mokuton because that made sense. We presumed Tsunade has lightning release because that makes sense. We presumed Hamura had Yin Release because that makes sense. With Gaara, there is arguably more cause to believe that he possesses Magnetism Release. And I don't know Temari and Kankurō would be of any concern as Temari only uses wind and we know puppets work with chakra strings, i.e. their styles don't resemble that of Gaara and their father at all. Nor do they have the eye rings.--Reliops (talk) 20:49, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

Regardless of whether sand manipulation is Magnet, it's inconsistent. We list Orochimaru because he has the genetic potential to use Wood Release, but not Gaara who has the potential to use Magnet Release through Shukaku. We should either list both or neither, depending on whether natures are listed for potential use or actual demonstrated capabilities.--BeyondRed (talk) 21:51, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
I have to agree with BeyondRed here. We list Orochimaru for being presumably being able to use Wood Style, just because his host body is a White Zetsu. Gaara should be updated for the exact same reason. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 21:59, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

I'm just going to say this and leave the discussion: If Gaara could use Magnet Release he would have no viable reason to ignore the other abilities granted by the nature. Remember when he used a sand clone to block shuriken in the chūnin exams? If he possessed Magnet Release he could have easily just stopped it in the air, but he didn't, which in my opinion is evidence that he doesn't possess the nature. --Atrix471 (talk) 22:02, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

Just because he have it, don't mean he fully knows how to use it. And as stated above, there is a possibility there more than one type of Magnet release (Toroi / Fourth Kazekage). If Orochimaru is stated as having Wood Release because his body is a White Zetsu clone, then Gaara should also have Magnet Release, since he was the jinjuricki of Shukaku, and could manipulate sand. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 22:42, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
If he had diamagnetism, he should be able to manipulate gold dust too... which he can't. Also if you read the Gold Dust article, the trivia section states it doesn't actually function by diamagnetism anyway, so the Fourth Kazekage is the same as any other Magnet Release user. Edit: We also know that not all Bijū inherently pass abilities down to their jinchūriki, as Naruto only received Kurama's 'Negative Emotions Sensing' after defeating it within the seal. --Atrix471 (talk) 22:52, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

I still don't see how the sand manipulation has anything to do with Magnet Release. The closest thing connecting the two is Naruto's Magnet Release technique, and even that doesn't quite look like sand. Nothing Gaara has ever done resembles all known variants of Magnet Release. I'm not saying that Gaara doesn't have Magnet Release, but with what we have, this isn't the same as the Orochimaru and Tsunade examples. I'm still against listing Hamura as a Yin Release user, but I find it harder to care each day. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:54, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

Gaara has also manipulated gold dust. Don't forget that. He was able to manipulate his sand and gold dust at the same time, at that. The rings around the Fourth's eyes were obviously meant by Kishi to give us closure to the source behind Gaara's mysterious rings. They were never stated in the series to be related to insomnia, and originally were speculated to be a result of being Shukaku's jinchūriki, just like Naruto's whiskers. We now know that to be wrong. Seeing as Shukaku has Magnet Release, Gaara's markings were likely permenant, because, unlike the Kazekage, who could freely mold Magnet chakra whenever he wanted, a jinchūriki's chakra is always in contact with a tailed beasts, and so the markings simply stuck. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 23:58, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
I seem to recall the only thing Gaara did was to mix the gold dust into his own sand and then use it through that arbitrary method; he never directly manipulated the gold dust. --Atrix471 (talk) 00:01, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
That is directly manipulating Gold Dust. Gaara already stated in the chapter that the Gold Dust was heavier than his own sand, but that he could move it, and then mixed it with his own to create a combined attack. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 00:06, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

What TTF said. And if we're going to allow presumptions based on potential for Orochimaru, then surely Gaara more than qualifies? Shukaku has Magnetism Release and manipulates sand. Gaara's father has the same eyes he does and uses the same fighting style with gold dust - gold dust Gaara mixed with his sand. All points clearly point to Magnetism Release. Enough so warrant a (Presumed) tag.--Reliops (talk) 00:28, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

Whatever, this topic was discussed before and you were shot down. I still stick to the prior judgement. --Atrix471 (talk) 00:45, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

First of all, Gaara moved the gold sand with his own sand, not with chakra. Second, when Shukaku aided Naruto, he didn't give him sand, but the Rasengan was still prefixed Magnet Release. The only thing that was new were the sealing markings, so I think Magnet Release has some sort of connection with fuinjutsu. Anyway, for now, we don't add Gaara as a user. • Seelentau 愛 09:58, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

Gaara moved the gold dust by mixing it with his own sand. He also manipulated hail like that, but I don't see anyone saying he should be listed as an Ice Release user because of that. He essentially scooped up the gold dust with his own sand, that's not a direct manipulation. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:15, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

Also thing of note is that Naruto's Shukaku Magnet Release's powered Rasengan enveloped Madara's limbo clone. That means the chakra stuck to him like magnet, meaning Shukaku's Magnet Release is likely the same principle as Toroi's, no sand manipulation BS.--Elveonora (talk) 16:29, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
Finally, some common sense in this thread. --Atrix471 (talk) 17:26, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

Let's get disingenuous to prove a point. Gaara said he mixed the gold dust with his sand, he didn't say he manipulated it with chakra, but he didn't say he was carrying it either. I believe the implication is clear. I don't recall when Gaara carried hale, but that's an irrelevant example seeing as there is no Ice Releaser that gains dark rings around his eyes. There are two sources that heavily imply Gaara is a Magnetism Release user, is bijū and his father. Not to be repeat myself like a broken record, but the fact his father gains rings around his eyes identical to Gaara's and has a similar fighting style, and then considering the fact Naruto gained the ability through Shukaku, would lead to the presumption that Gaara's ability does, in fact, stem from Magnetism Release.--Reliops (talk) 20:23, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

And no one disagrees with you on that being a logical deduction. Except it isn't entirely compatible:
  • You attribute the rings around eyes to Shukaku
  • Except Shukaku doesn't gain any rings while manipulating sand, nor did Naruto gain any rings when he used Magnet Release: Rasengan
  • Gaara's father had rings when using Magnet, wasn't jinchuuriki of Shukaku
  • Therefore the Magnet rings and Shukaku are unrelated
  • Other Magnet Release users like Toroi and (presumably) 3rd Kazekage had no Magnet rings around eyes
  • So Gaara's rings do not necessarily imply a relation to Magnet Release in any way--Elveonora (talk) 20:37, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Gaara's marks are permanent. His father's appear when using Magnet Release ONLY. This gives two outcomes: either Gaara is constantly using Magnet Release, or it's a arbitrary birth mark (like Naruto's whisker marks, for example). Since constant chakra usage would kill him, due to the inevitable outcome of chakra exhaustion, this argument is pointless. --Atrix471 (talk) 20:40, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Yes because Gaara's father having those markings is just a coincidence spurred by Kishimoto's whim. Sometimes I wonder if a few of you even read other literature. There are certain things that you really just have you use your brains with. Do any of you really, honestly, believe that Kishimoto gave Gaara's father, a Magnet Release user, and Gaara (the Kazekage's son), whom has a tailed beast with Magnet Release, the same markings for completely different reasons? I just cannot fathom the kind of logic used to reach a conclusion that ignorant of how context clues work. It is absolutely unbelievable. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 20:47, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
When Gaara is canonically proven to have Magnet Release you can be snarky all you like. Until then, save me the lecture please. This is a discussion that's come up multiple times for a reason, and that reason is simple: it hasn't been approved. Guess why that is? I'll give you a hint, it's to do with the utter lack of evidence in it's favor. Conjecture will get you nowhere, so cool the attitude. --Atrix471 (talk) 20:56, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

@Foxie, yeah, because a guy who misinterprets canon's context is the first one a person would go after to ask for context clues.--Elveonora (talk) 20:58, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

So, in other words, when Kishi gives you a giant neon banner that tells you everything you were supposed to learn with context clues (this is 1st grade level reading comprehension, how's that for snark?), you'll accept what everyone else already knows? Brilliant. Some encyclopedia this is when that is the mentality. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 20:59, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
While I am one who loves context clues as much as the next guy, Shukaku's Magnet Release has yet to look like sand. When it hit Madara, the cursed seal spread across his body and no sand, unless I missed it terribly. As such, despite it being likely in conjunction with the Second and Third Kazekage, we cannot say that Shukaku's sand is moved with Magnet Release.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 21:08, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Eye shadow, Bijū (that he doesn't even possess anymore) and familial ties are not, on their own, sufficient evidence to add an advanced chakra nature to his skill set. Kishi has never been subtle with his Kekkei Genkai. Darui revealed his, with the name clearly stated, in the first fight he fought. Sasuke did the same for Blaze Release, as did Sasori with the third Kazekage's. I have plenty of examples, so going entirely on previous information, I believe that if Gaara had Magnet Release, it would have been beaten into our heads. Oh, and I noticed you said you 'sense this discussion getting out of hand', which is pretty ironic given your intentional attitude here. That is the last I'll say on this matter, since I tire of this argument which is obviously getting nowhere. Hell, I really don't care anymore, add Magnet Release in if it helps your ego. --Atrix471 (talk) 21:31, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps it's a mascara. You know, like those young cute emo guys tend to wear.--Elveonora (talk) 21:36, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

And we now have Naruto's Magnet Release Rasenshuriken with sand clearly shown infused with it. Is that enough to finally link sand and Magnetism and list Gaara as a user, or are we just going to be plain stupid about this? ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 00:07, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
Probably the latter, but now I am a believer. While first on the fence, I am now convinced. There would be no reason to show the sand if it wasn't part of the Magnet Release.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 01:04, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
I am in agreement. I'll give some time for others to chime in, then I'm adding him. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 01:35, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

Please add him. I'm tired of reading this needless discussion. It should've been done weeks ago. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 01:46, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

Thank goodness! Agreed.--Questionaredude (talk) 01:49, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

So Gaara has Magnet Release... seems legit :/. His father and former tailed beast do, not to mention he has the same markings as his father like Foxie pointed out. Gaara also infused his father's gold in his sand at one point. Things are pointing toward Gaara having it. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 02:00, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

Good, adding him. This also means his sand techniques are magnet, so we need to all tagteam those and get those properly listed. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 02:04, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

My apologizes for filling up the activity feed. I added Magnet Release to all but Wind Release: Infinite Sand Cloud — Great Breakthrough.--Questionaredude (talk) 02:25, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

If Gaara is added as Magnet user along with sand techs being Magnet, then I demand us listing Ashura as jinchuuriki, otherwise I quit. Be consistent please. There's much more evidence that Ashura was a jinchuuriki than there is for sand being Magnet. Enough with picking and chosing--Elveonora (talk) 11:19, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

Asura isn't being discussed on Gaara's page and you cannot barter on decision with another. Gaara's case is closed, Asura's isn't. The end. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 18:32, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

About damn time. I was going to post a close up image of Shūkaku's Rasengan variant to continue this discussion.--Reliops (talk) 16:09, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

So you guys decided Gaara has Magnet release based off th evidence.. but I don't see it in his page anywhere or on his infobox.. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 18:04, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

I think they decided to remove it again, since there is no actual evidence for him having it, but rather more evidence against it. For more, please check out my analysis on this topic. • Seelentau 愛 18:11, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
I'm somewhat irked that my arguments were discounted so quickly when they ended up reaching the same outcome I was trying to convey anyway... --Atrix471 (talk) 18:14, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

I read it Seel. but there are a few things that you can't really say, you don't know that the 3rd Kazekage is not related to the 4th.. it was just never said if he was, or if he wasn't. He may very well end up being 4th Kaze's dad. Also Gaara was born the Jinchuriki and Magnet release is something Shukaku gives to it's hosts just like how Gyuki gives ink, logically we can say Magnet release is Earth and Lightning release and def not 3 releases because that would make it a Kekkei Tota. I still think it is very possible Gaara has Magnet release because sand is still part of earth and isn't sand just tiny rocks shaped by water? So its safe to say earth release can control sand and other rocks. I would have to go with them on this and say he has magnet release.. but it can't be proven until it is stated what two natures make magnet release and if one of those natures if earth or not. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 00:03, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

Kekkei Genkai Edit

Shouldn't Magnet Release be under Kekkei Genkai as well? The Fourth Kazekage used it and Gaara still uses it even though he lost Shukaku.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 16:24, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

In the latest databook, Gaara doesn't have the Kekkei Genkai icon under his natures ad does not therefore possess Jiton.Pesa123456789 (talk) 16:04, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

Well in the latest databook, none of the advanced natures other than the 5 basic ones as well as Yin & Yang show up.....doesn't mean they don't possess others. Gaara's sand manipulation uses Jiton through Shukaku (or so his page says), which at one point Gaara possessed, therefore he "does" possess Jiton and it needs to be put back in his infobox. Know clue why someone keeps removing it. Senseless.--Minamoto15 (talk) 16:37, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
Because he doesn't have the Kekkei Genkai. • Seelentau 愛 16:52, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
Even though Shukaku does and was once sealed inside Gaara? Makes sense I guess. Thanks.--Minamoto15 (talk) 17:04, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
Naruto doesn't have the Kekkei Genkai either. I don't know why he is listed with a Kekkei Genkai. The databook is mostly shit. • Seelentau 愛 17:07, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
Ah, so I'm not losing it. I was just gonna bring that up. Know where I can find the db translations?--Minamoto15 (talk) 17:16, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
There are none. • Seelentau 愛 17:21, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

@Seel, I understand Jinton having been removed as a kekkei genkai from his infobox, but why remove it from his natures?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 18:25, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Because it'll automatically show up as Kekkei genkai regardless if you list it in his natures.--Minamoto15 (talk) 19:00, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, why is the nature removed? MangekyoSasuke (talk) 18:48, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

@Minamoto, that's not true. For example Bunpuku's infobox gives him Magnet Release with an empty kekkei genkai column. Anyway, we list most if not all sand techniques as Magnet and state in Magnet article that it controls sand, so omitting Gaara makes no sense--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 20:58, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Bump, what to do with this. Any opinions? Foxie, anyone?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 11:44, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

@Elve, yeah I saw that. It wasn't functioning that way before though, maybe I just missed a step. On topic, all I know is that if we aren't gonna keep Jiton as a KG for Gaara even though Shukaku was sealed within him, then the same set of rules should apply for all the Jin's even though I don't completely agree with it. I was always under the impression that advanced natures were KG's.--Minamoto15 (talk) 21:03, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Bump again, we need to make final decision here. It's pretty lame that Gaara is the only Jin (former) to not reap the benefits of not having a KG section, while all the others do though they're no different, specifically Naruto, Roshi, and Han.--Minamoto15 (talk) 15:52, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

So now Gaara isn't listed as a user of Magnet Release despite the evidence. But wait there is the excuse. "He isn't listed a user in the flawless databook." Give me a break. Many things aren't said in the databook; some things contradict things. The databook isn't really that reliable to be honest. According to some people logic, earth plus wind equals magnet release and Gaara being related to his father and being a jinchūriki of Shukaku who also manipulates sand points to it being so. Though I don't agree with the natures that make up Magnet Release, evidence supports why Gaara is a user. You guts are literally being hypocrites. Rachin123 (talk) 20:53, November 18, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123

What do you even want? It was a theory that Gaara had Magnet Release, nothing else. This theory was debunked by the databook, that's all. And for the thousandth time: Gaaras has absolutely nothing to do with the natures of Magnet Release, ffs. • Seelentau 愛 21:04, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
It's also a theory that Magnet Release is made of earth and wind and a pretty idoitic one at that. Besides the fact it doesnt make sense, even Kishi didn't say what the elements were made of. As for you saying Gaara has nothing to do with the natures of Magnet Release, tell others who said that the relation between Gaara and his father having similar natures giving evidence that it's made of those because Gaara has lightning but his father doesn't. Not to mention it's even more stupid to say his jutsus are magnet release but he doesn't have the nature. Smh. Rachin123 (talk) 21:23, November 18, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
It is no theory and I don't give a shit if it makes sense to you or not. In fact, no one here does. So stop your complaining please. Also, Magnet Release should be removed from all of Gaara's techniques, but I'm not the one to do that. • Seelentau 愛 21:28, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
First off, do not come at me like that. Secondly, you don't have to reply. Thirdly, don't speak for everyone because I have even talked to others who agree with me, not that it's a competition but for you to say nobody cares, makes you sound ridiculous. I'm not trying to make this about me, in fact I'm trying to think logically and factually. Truth is Kishi messes up more than anything. But continue on with your business. Rachin123 (talk) 21:42, November 18, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
Now, calm down, both of you. I was the one who started the Magnet=Wind+Earth idea, but I did it in the wikia's interest, not to see people going out of their way to yell at each other. I don't care what anyone thinks, as long as there's proof of what's stated in the articles.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 21:49, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Okay. We better not have this again, so I suggest we move on, shall we? So far, due to Rasa's elements, Magnet = Wind + Earth. Fine. Don't like it, but fine. And also, to quote someone, "The logic of Magnetism is similar to the magnetite (the most magnetic of all the naturally occurring minerals on Earth), which is formed by: 3 molecules of iron (earth) and 4 oxygen (wind) = Fe3O4." Alright then. Back to the subject, I don't think Gaara was listed as a KG user, so what's the debate here? Databook didn't list KG for Gaara like it did for Naruto, Roshi and Han, so what's the problem? According to the databook, Gaara doesn't have a KG. ~•WS7125[Mod]WindStar7125 TaskWindStar7125's Task 22:26, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Well if you want to try and go in depth with science, then point out that "wind" contains H2O (Water) too. So are we to say water is apart of the KG? We are talking about the actual elements. No need try and go into what particles make up it to try and prove a point. FYI you breath oxegen, wind has nothing to do with it. Oxygen is always in the air. Wind is just the movement of air. In this case I'm guessing the swift movement of chakra. And are we really to trust the databook after it said Suigetsu was 3 inches taller than Sasuke. Another flaw. I can name plenty of them. But because people are so stubborn and want to put everything in the faith of the databooks, they screw up things. I'll just have to let it go. i've tried to make sense of things. I'll just worn others who may want to visit this site, that you will run into many flaws. Go at your own risk. No but I'm gonna stick to my knowledge cuz it's a lot more understandable and logical than the creator's, and that's saying something. Rachin123 (talk) 23:45, November 18, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
@WS7125 and Seelentau, did the DB also state that Gaara's sand manipulation doesn't use Magnet Release? If it does state that, then wouldn't it be a good idea to note it in the form of a unique traits section? Also, just how much stock are we gonna put in the databook to begin with? Because a lot of it's content heavily contradicts the manga (not that it affects this discussion in any way) hence why I kinda concur with Rachin. For example, on this topic particularly, it's fine that Gaara isn't a KG user but the only reason possible for that is because Magnet Release is a KG of the beast itself, not Gaara. Why then does that not apply to Naruto, Han, and Roshi? Point bring, we need to watch just how much of the DB we're gonna take seriously. Just my opinion though...--Minamoto15 (talk) 00:22, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
The databook is the first source for any and all information. You can't just go and declare part of it wrong and part of it correct by yourself, just because you don't like what it says. Only if the manga obviously contradicts the databook, the manga takes precedence. For example, Danzo doesn't have Kuchiyose in his profile, but he used it in the manga.
Now, we never had any real proof that Gaara's techniques are Jiton. Reliops' theory was just that: A theory. It was built on facts, yes. But the databook didn't come to the same conclusion, hence we don't list Gaara as a Magnet Release user anymore.
The basic natures for Magnet Release weren't explained in the manga, either. However, we know that an advanced nature Kekkei Genkai is always based on two basic natures. Looking at Rasa's natures - since he is the only one whose natures we know - it can only be Wind and Earth. Every other combination is simply not possible because its already taken (Wood and Ice). And that's why we list Magnet Release as Wind + Earth. Could we end this discussion now, please? • Seelentau 愛 02:31, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
Okay so that means we are throwing away being a jinchūriki gives you access to the biju nature or advanced nature. Shukaku manipulates sand with Magnet Release. Gaara manipulates sand. Gaara could also get the power from his father. Are we to say that this doesn't go for Gaara because the DB didn't say so? This has nothing to do with not liking it so get that out of your mind because what's wrong is the logic. The evidence is put in your face and yet you still deny. Despite many other things we based off theory because of evidence. I mean literally how much more evidence do you need. It didn't even take much for Tsunade to be listed presumably as a Lightning Release user before the new databook. If you fail to understand rather obvious things then good day to you. Smh. Rachin123 (talk) 02:46, November 19, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
Shukaku manipulates sand with Magnet Release? Might be, but Gaara doesn't, because Gaara can still move sand without being Shukaku's Jinchuriki. He got the power from his father? Then why doesn't it say Kekkei Genkai in the databook? Why isn't Magnet Release mentioned anywhere in relation to Gaara's techniques? Do you realize that? There is not one case where any connection was drawn between Magnet Release and Gaara's sand. Yes, the databook is flawed, but on multiple occassions regarding one issue? No. Just no. There is nothing obvious here, it's just you reading way too much into the manga. • Seelentau 愛 02:53, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe it's you who is reading too much into the databooks. Even jinchūriki's were counted as KG users if their biju had one. Just because the beast is removee doesn't necessarily mean the user couldn't still acquire the nature or KG in thus case. This is proven as factor as Shukaku manipulates sand with Magnet Release and would you look, Gaara manipukates sand too. If you want more in your face evidence Gaara's father could be a possibility of Gaara being a user. Just becasue the DB didn't say so doesn't mean crap. Kishi didn't state a lot of stuff but we made a theory based off some evidence. Or Kishi does state something and 8/10 he contradicts the manga. So as for you saying there is "not one" connection between Gaara's sand and Magnet Release you need to rethink what you said. Like I said it's obvious. Just like apparently Magnet Release being made of earth and wind because of Rasa despite Kishi not actually stating so, however, he did give us Shukaku and hosts have been known to get their biju's natures. Wow this is completely sad. How could you not understand? Sigh. And @Seel you don't have to keep posting. If you are so annoyed with it, ignore it. Nobody is forcing you keep posting. Rachin123 (talk) 03:22, November 19, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123

"Just because the beast is removee doesn't necessarily mean the user couldn't still acquire the nature or KG in thus case." - It does.
"Shukaku manipulates sand with Magnet Release" - Never stated in the manga or databooks.
"Just becasue the DB didn't say so doesn't mean crap." - I wish you would stop acting as if you were to decide what is crap and what isn't. You are not. And I can do this all day long. • Seelentau 愛 03:26, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
Here is my one cent on the issue of the 4th databook's occasional disparity with the manga, and Gaara's Magnet Release. An error of omission is not as significant as an error of inclusion. For example, the databook's omission of Madara in the list of Izanagi users cannot be considered to mean a direct assertion that Madara is not a user. Although the databook's silence strongly implies the exclusion of Madara from the list, yet it is still short of an explicit declaration of an exclusion, as in the databook never directly states that Madara is not an Izanagi user. Now assuming, for example, the databook listed Tsunade as a Perfect Susanoo user, then we'll call that error of inclusion a true contradiction, because the databook is explicitly making a claim that is faulty. But in a situation like Gaara's purported Magnet Release, where the databook remains silent on it and the manga does not explicitly affirm it, it will be a mistake to build a fact out of it. My suggestion is to remove "Magnet Release" from Gaara's infobox and then explain everything that implies he might posses Magnet Release in his trivia. Putting a speculation (which might arguably be correct, but nonetheless still a speculation) into his infobox introduces an error of inclusion, whereas simply omitting it causes no harm. NoJutsu (talk) 03:31, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
Here is the thing @Seel. I never said that my opinion is superior to anyone's. I even said that I am only going off logic and facts. Now for Shukaku. He is a Magnet Release user. Sand is mad of quartz which can hold magnetism. Do the math. Just like Boil Release not being stated actually to be fire and water but that's plainly obvious. Basic science. Anyways let's see when you have a user of Magnet Release manipulate sand and the host manipulates sand you put two and two together and say he uses that. Gaara like his father has earth and wind and like you guys said thats what supposedly make up Magnet release. Gaara having Magnet Release is literally right there. Kishi also didn't say Tsunade has lightning releasd yet people still put it there and put presumed. @NoJutsu I can agree that Gaara's info has not been touched on yet that didn't stop people from putting other presumed things, just saying. We can't sit here and be hypocrites especially when much if the things on this wiki is based off theories. Rachin123 (talk) 03:48, November 19, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
I don't care about math or any real life science. This is a fictional work and as long as Gaara isn't stated to be a Magnet Release user, he won't be added as one. That's all I have to say. • Seelentau 愛 03:57, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
I find that laughable. This fiction series uses physics of real life but when someone questions something, you have the nerve to say, "It's fiction." And I'm sure you have nothing else to say because all you do or at least seem to do is rely on these flawed databooks, fact proven so. I could only say to you sir that your logic of Naruto must be all over the place seeing how that's how the databooks are too. I am not even trying to get to you Seel since you seem to have made up your mind. I wish you could understand but oh well. Rachin123 (talk) 04:04, November 19, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
@Rachin. I have to agree with you that so many stuff on here are based on theories, which is really sad. It's even ironically worse than Wikipedia, where there is even much more incentive to saturate articles with loaded statements. This discussion asides, it baffles me why some Narutowikia editors can't just stick to canon-facts, especially when there is no reason for agendas to be charged with hot sentiments; after all, this is not real life stuff. NoJutsu (talk) 04:10, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

Except dear Rachin, this has nothing to do with physics or chemistry. Wind-natured chakra is just sharp n' thin pieces of chakra, needle-like. Earth-natured chakra is chakra that can alter density and weight. There's no actual wind and gases in it nor actual earth with minerals in it.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 16:10, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

Honestly, using the facts that Magnet Release was confirmed to be an advanced nature made of two basic ones, and Rasa's elements in the databook, Magnet Earth + Wind and damn what Rachin123 says. We're no longer arguing what Magnet Release is made of, TU3 closed that discussion, so please, let's drop it. This is getting annoying. We're discussing KG here. ~•WS7125[Mod]WindStar7125 TaskWindStar7125's Task 17:49, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
Except though it isn't natural wind it is still used and technically combined with the air around it creating some sort of current of air. Like earth. They use the natural earth and conjunction with their special earth chakra to manipulate it. And @Windy nobody is arguing anynore what Magnet Release is made of so I'll stop you right there. Don't sit here ane try and say Naruto do not use physics in their logic and throughout the series. However they tend to defy it but that's another thing. What I'm try to get at is Gaara not being listed as a Magnet Release user despite some evidence. Guess that means Rasa and Gaara's third eye are completely different too, besides one being mix with gold dust. Damn what the databooks say. They had so many wrong turns, it would silly to find them so reliable. But you guys are being hyprocrites. With that said I take my leave from this talk page because I'm sick of trying to explain things that you just don't seem to get through your heads. It is what it is I guess. Rachin123 (talk) 18:23, November 19, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
Read again. It's not just that Gaara doesn't have a kekkei genkai in the book (which could be an error) but his techniques are not described as having anything to do with magnetism either. Is that an error too? In other words, unless Seel and other translators all over other forums missed some crucial information by an accident, then sand isn't moved by Magnet Release and thus it should be removed. You and others were simply wrong, get over it.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 18:44, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand why you guys are trying so hard to make something out of nothing. It has not been mentioned anywhere that gaara has magnet release and screw rasa's natures.

@raichin: yes their has been many things in the narutoverse where real-world science was implemented but that doesn't also mean that everything in naruto is. like seel said this is just a work of fiction so stop taking it seriously. Who cares if he wiki says he has magnet release or not, it's not about the wiki. it's about what you yourself personally think. opinions matter Munchvtec (talk) 19:09, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

but just to be clear, gaara doesn't have magnet release! Munchvtec (talk) 19:11, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

I never said Sand = Magnet, so don't confuse me with those who did just yet. But considering Rachin123 has "taken his leave from this talk page" like he said, we can finally move on. We're not going to disregard the databooks because he doesn't like them. That being said, let's move on before TU3 closes this discussion, hm? ~•WS7125[Mod]WindStar7125 TaskWindStar7125's Task 19:59, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
Gaara is still listed as a user of Magnet Release and his jutsus. Shouldn't you guys get right on that since apparently he doesn't have it. Rachin123 (talk) 17:22, November 20, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
You can either do it yourself (and see if all of those jutsu are locked) or continue to complain loudly. The choice is yours.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 17:42, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
Magnet Release should be removed from all of Gaara's techniques. • Seelentau 愛 17:44, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
I'm not complaining. I just find it ironic how the people who were such in a hurry to disclose him having Magnet Release didn't remove Magnet Release from his possession. However, if it's not Magnet Release. Shall we assume he using Earth Release? I mean I guess that seems right. Also was any of his techniques ranked before the change? Rachin123 (talk) 17:54, November 20, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123

Nope. Sand is being moved by nothing as far as this wiki is going to be concerned.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 17:56, November 20, 2014 (UTC)

Back to square one. So Sand does not equal magnet due to the databook. And sand being moved by chakra isn't a possible answer rather than nothing? ~•WS7125[Mod]WindStar7125 TaskWindStar7125's Task 18:10, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
I was being facetious. It's obvious sand is moved with chakra. The nature of it is now nothing. Databook makes no mention of sand, but Naruto's Magnet Rasenshuriken had sand. You'd think being Shukaku's Jinchuriki would be sand but clearly that bit was not important to Kishimoto and arguing about it worked out so much better last time. So sand has no nature once again.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 18:14, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
Of course you were. I know. So, it would be plausible to remove Magnet Release from Sand techniques now? Okay. ~•WS7125[Mod]WindStar7125 TaskWindStar7125's Task 18:20, November 20, 2014 (UTC)

The sand comes from something. Sand equals crushed rocks, minerals, etc. Stemming from Earth therefore Earth Release. I even remember Gaara mentioning he could create more sand by crushing the rocks in his fight against Kimimaro. Also I remember there being ranks for the jutsus before the Magnet Release change. Rachin123 (talk) 18:24, November 20, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123

@TU3, too bad Reliops isn't here to counter this. Would have been a lovely debate. He's on a paid vacation for now. I wonder who'll remove Magnet now.... ~•WS7125[Mod]WindStar7125 TaskWindStar7125's Task 18:27, November 20, 2014 (UTC)

I'll do so. However do you guys consent to the sand being manipulated with earth release chakra? Rachin123 (talk) 18:31, November 20, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
No? • Seelentau 愛 18:32, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
Sand is just a tool being moved by chakra. ~•WS7125[Mod]WindStar7125 TaskWindStar7125's Task 18:34, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
So was these jutsus ever ranked? I sworn they were once before the change of it being Magnet Release controlling sand and since KG aren't ranked, it was removed. Rachin123 (talk) 18:38, November 20, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
Well, that would've been bullshit. Just check the databooks for ranks. • Seelentau 愛 18:40, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
1st) We should still keep Gaara with Magnet Release, 'cause we know that Shukaku has it (and gives it to its jinchūriki), 2nd) Gaara used it to move Rasa's Gold Dust against Gengetsu, didn't he?--Omojuze (talk) 18:42, November 20, 2014 (UTC)

There was one sand jutsu in the third data bok that had a rank. Munchvtec (talk) 18:48, November 20, 2014 (UTC)

But hiden jutsu also used to not have a rank, but some of them do now. I think we shouldn't rush in removing Magnet Release from the sand-based jutsu yet, but I guess that's just me. The whole logic of "it was never stated in the databook" is meh.. to me, 'cause the databook made LOTs of mistakes. We should only improve articles, not remove info from 'em. But again, i guess its just me..--Omojuze (talk) 18:51, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
Also, Orochimaru is listed as a Wood Release User, despite the databook saying he has no kekkei genkai.. Your point is invalid, my friends.--Omojuze (talk) 19:00, November 20, 2014 (UTC)

It's weird. We know the jinchūriki are known to gain its Biju's attributes and abilities. Are we to say that Gaara is just the exception. Yea no. He should be listed as a user. His jutsus don't have to. However, doesn't Shukaku manipulate sand with his Magnet Release though? If so like I said it's completely bias to not give it to Gaara. Like what does Shukaku do with the KG? Rachin123 (talk) 19:30, November 20, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123

Jesus fuck. The jinchuriki do NOT gain their tailed beasts powers if the beast doesn't give it to them. And it was never ever stated that Shukaku uses Magnet Release to move it sand, anywhere. Stop making shit up, for fucks sake. • Seelentau 愛 19:51, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
Tau please don't start with me. Every jinchūriki of name and value has been shown with the abilities of their Biju. Now this could be because the beast shares it with them like you said but my point I'm saying is, do honestly believe Gaara is the only one who doesn't get the abilities of their Biju? As for Shukaku manipulating sand with Magnet Release, I'm only going off of what Shukaku's page says. We know Shukaku has Magnet Release. However, if he doesn't manipulate it with sand it needs to be fixed. However, Gaara being a jinchūriki and as far as we are concerned all the beasts jinchūriki's have their abilities. Now Gaara might not make use of Magnet Release but it should still be known he has it. Or had it since the extraction of Shukaku. Rachin123 (talk) 20:29, November 20, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
Sorry for the language, but it seems you don't get my point. Shukaku was never said to control its sand with Magnet Release. Gaara still retains his sand control even after removing Shukaku, therefore, it can't be because of Shukaku or its Magnet Release. Gaara himself has no Kekkei Genkai either (this could be a mistake, but we will treat it as true as long as proven false), so he can't have Magnet Release from his father. Lastly, we don't know if he could use Shukaku's Magnet Release, because a tailed beast won't willingly give its power to its jinchuriki. By the way, there are hints that Shukaku's Magnet Release has to do with its sealing pattern. • Seelentau 愛 20:43, November 20, 2014 (UTC)

It's okay. I'm not here to start problems but to address the situation and get it solved. I compromise to Gaara not using Magnet Release to control sand. The only thing I found odd is that Gaara was the only jinchūriki who didn't get all of its Biju's abilities minus the Sand manipulation. The only reason I brought up Shukaku was because his page stated he uses Magnet Release to manipulate the sand but you said it was never stated in the databooks nor was it hinted so I guess it was a theory and needs to be fixed. At the end, I guess Gaara doesn't use Magnet Release and I'll get on with the changes. However, since you said it's sort of hinted Shukaku's Magnet Release comes from his cursed marks would Desert Layered Imperial Funeral be Magnet Release because Shukaku can use it too with his curse seals? Rachin123 (talk) 21:12, November 20, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123

Gaara's an unique case even for Shukaku's jinchūriki, because of his mother.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 21:16, November 20, 2014 (UTC)
You mean her will manifestation through Gaara's sand? Yes, that's another topic altogether as well. ~•WS7125[Mod]WindStar7125 TaskWindStar7125's Task 00:30, November 21, 2014 (UTC)

Huh... I guess Gaara's statement that soaking his sand in a ton of blood increased his power over it was a red herring for Magnet Release. Arawn 999 (talk) 03:01, November 23, 2014 (UTC)

Series is over. I care very little what goes on with this wikia. For the sake of a proving a point though: the data books omit a lot of things. e.g. I believe the latest one suggests only Madara has Perfect Susanoo iirc. We know that is incorrect because we have observed Sasuke and Kakashi manifest Perfect Susanoo. Gaara's case is no difference. I have already gone through the effort of making my case supported by evidence and facts in the manga. Do with that what you will.--Reliops (talk) 23:15, November 26, 2014 (UTC)

I know that the databook is wrong with many things. But Gaara's Magnet Release could've been mentioned on many pages, his articles, each of his techniques, his father's article, Shukaku's article, the tailed beast's articles and Shukaku's techniques. But there is not one word that connects Gaara and Magnet Release. So even if your theory works out in real life, it's obious that Kishimoto thought otherwise. • Seelentau 愛 17:00, November 27, 2014 (UTC)
So @Seel, why not add Sand manipulation to his unique traits section? It's something only Gaara can do right?--Minamoto15 (talk) 13:26, November 30, 2014 (UTC)
I have no idea what gets added to that section and what not, please ask someone else for that^^ • Seelentau 愛 13:30, November 30, 2014 (UTC)
Yay, crap I can actually answer. The Unique Traits section was original a section specific to tailed beasts to make note of their aptly named "Unique Traits" before this current databook basically just states "They all ninjutsu". I see no reason why not to keep this section and Gaara's status as a jinchuriki makes it all the better for sand manipulation to kinda go there if it'll settle this whole bloody affair. Cheers.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 13:40, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

New Part 1 Image Edit

I found this image of Gaara that i believe is better than the current one as he is looking straight and is more close up on his face. Would anyone be appose to changing his infobox image to this? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 00:38, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

Eh... I like the current image. And your image just looks weird to me. Don't know why and can't explain it, it just does. ~•WS7125[Mod]WindStar7125 TaskWindStar7125's Task 00:41, November 24, 2014 (UTC)
Any image of Gaara looks weird because of his absent eyebrows haha. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 11:25, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

Nope don't like it. He looks to much like a little boy to me --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 14:31, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

It's fine with me either way, but I'd lean more toward the current image. --SSJ2AJB (talk) 23:00, November 25, 2014 (UTC)

Databook Info Edit

Posting some databook information:

  • I know this is already mentioned on his page, but I have some extra info. The databook says that 'Cultivating cacti is his secret hobby. In his room there are many cacti and he collects the rare varieties.'
  • On Karura's page, it mentions that 'Even after her flesh body has disappeared from this world, she left her chakra in Gaara’s sand.' I think that's really important.
  • His page mentions that his personality is 'Composed' and 'Fearless'--EmotionalRockfish (talk) 07:57, November 29, 2014 (UTC)
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