Talk: Fourth Shinobi World War: Confrontation

Conflict about the source of chakra

My co-editors, I had edited a section of this page but it was reverted. It is written on this page that Naruto re-entered his Nine-Tails Chakra Mode just before being swallowed by Son Gokū due to the Nine-Tails giving him more chakra, but it is mentioned in neither of the charcters' articles nor in the article about chapter 566. I am going to edit it. If anyone is removing it and if Kurama really gave him its chakra willingly before freeing Son, you should edit the above mentioned articles too. I've already given the links, so it would be easy.Undominanthybrid (talk) 14:08, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Hi friend! I agree with you. I somehow remembered that on chapters. Just remember to use proper redirects by using [[Naruto]] instead of [[Naruto Uzumaki|Naruto]]. $_~ —Indxcv Novelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 14:17, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Your revision was undone because:

You removed 7083 bytes of necessary information from the article.
The revisions you made were unnecessary nitpicking and confusing in parts.
It's already mentioned that "but resists being eaten by the Four-Tails, now back in Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, as the Nine-Tails opens one eye watching on" What more is necessary than that?
You also made no edit to that section when you did that...--Cerez365^™^(talk) 14:31, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Hey guys, I am sorry. For me removing information, I think I've found the reason. My computer's down, so I am now using my mobile to check up on the Wikia. Sometimes when I edit pages, if the data is too much for the phone, it won't be able to take in all data. And when I hit the publish button, only whatever that is in the box will come on the page. That's why the information was removed. I realised it only today when I was editing this page. And Cerez, thank you very much for editing this page for me.Undominanthybrid (talk) 16:01, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

My recommendation is you don't edit articles on this site using a phone or iPod as it's slow and I only undo revisions on my iPod. --Speysider (Talk Page) 16:08, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

I also use a mobile to edit but I never faced this problem --Salil

(Talk) 17:07, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Long page

This is the second longest page on the entire site. Who ever is adding to this every week needs to practice someself control. --66.45.237.122 (talk) 08:39, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for volunteering to clean it up...--Cerez365^™

^(talk) 11:35, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

The inability to filter information is becoming endemic of most articles. I realize it's difficult to determine what will and what won't be important in later chapters (actually, I disagree with myself there; Kishimoto is becoming more predictable as he nears the finale) but there should be some effort to prune older synopses once hindsight is found. Even when the summary is initially written it should be obvious what kinds of information isn't needed: dialogue, characters' thoughts and opinions, plot-minutiae, emotional responses. These are things to put in individual characters' articles, not broad overviews like this. Take the most recent chapter:

Current
Though Chōji tries to console him over his father's death, Shikamaru reminds him and Ino that they are in the middle of a war and must focus on carrying out Shikaku's final strategy. Only Naruto was unaware of Inoichi and Shikaku's deaths with the others' attempt to explain interrupted by the Ten-Tails resuming its attack. Leaping into action, Neji and Hiashi are able to deflect the beast's attack with everyone beginning to praise the Hyūga clan. Hiashi tells Naruto that he must focus in this fight while explaining to him that death is a possibility in war, adding that Shikaku and Inoichi were willingly to die for their children. Neji echoes his uncle's sentiments, referring to his own father's sacrifice, before he, Hiashi, and Hinata state their intent to protect Naruto to their last breath. Meanwhile atop the Ten-Tails, which is slowly resisting their control, Madara and Obito discuss how to proceed with their plan. However, as he is only an reanimated corpse and can not become the Ten-Tails's jinchūriki, Madara needs Obito to sacrifice himself to become a living being once more. Taking advantage of his ancestor's dilemma, and wanting to put the Allied Shinobi Forces in further despair, Obito has the Ten-Tails attack again. As the attacks are being deflected by the Hyūga, Kitsuchi builds his chakra in preparation to use his signature technique. With the beast's hand itself bearing down on the group, Hiashi uses the Eight Trigrams Vacuum Wall Palm to deflect it. The beast then uses a pin-point attack which Hiashi realises they could not deflect in time. As Hinata throws out her arms to protect Naruto, Neji actually intercepts the attack. Naruto calls for the medics, Neji notes that it was already too late and that he will die within minutes. As Hiashi looks on in horror and Hinata cries openly, Naruto questions why a genius from the Hyūga clan would throw away his life for him, and Neji, who notes that he finally understood his father's feelings, states that it was for that exact reason that he did it: because Naruto called him a genius and that he choose to die for those he cares for. With this, the Byakugan sealing juinjutsu on Neji's forehead disappears, confirming his death. Taking delight in Naruto being shocked, Obito mocks him by reminding the youth of his statement that he would not allow his friends to die.

Bear necessities
With the "brain" dead, the Ten-Tails returns its attention to Naruto. Hinata and Neji come to Naruto's aid, vowing to give their lives to protect him and win the war. Obito, in his growing desire to show the Allied Forces despair, has the Ten-Tails overwhelm them with pinpoint wooden stakes that even the Hyūgas' defenses are unable to entirely block. Seeing no other option, Hinata uses her body to shield Naruto. Before one of the stakes hits her, Neji leaps in to take the blow and is mortally wounded. With his final breath he thanks Naruto for showing him he had the talent to do anything he wanted with his life, such as protecting the people precious to him. Neji dies and the juinjutsu on his forehead destroys his Byakugan. Obito taunts Naruto for failing to save his friends, as he promised.

What's there is three times longer than it needs to be.

The longer a purge is put off the more insurmountable a task it becomes. Eventually, this article is going to be longer than Naruto's (which also has a lot of fat to trim). And when the protagonist's article is not the longest a wiki has, there's a serious problem. ~Snapper T o 07:20, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Like I said before just not in so many words: we just need that one volunteer to get things going. I'll admit that at times, even I have just transposed the summary for the chapter out of laziness, but if the article is purged and a "trend" is set, I find that most of us here, will follow it.--Cerez365^™

^(talk) 08:09, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

I attempt to make sections smaller, but my contribution has been limited to character pages and general battle pages. To be perfectly honest I completely spaced that this article actually existed.--TheUltimate3

^(talk) 11:17, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

How about putting {{cleanup}} tag? ~ Ultimate Supreme 13:45, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think it's THAT long... and unless Kishi proves me and others wrong, this appears to be the very final arc, and as Naruto is going to last circa 2 more years, it's length is expected. But yes, that's a pointlessly too much detail put into a summary. For example: "Kabuto increases the army size by reviving the former Akatsuki members, previous jinchūriki, Kage and famous shinobi: Hizashi Hyūga, Dan Katō, Asuma Sarutobi, Hanzō, Chiyo, Kimimaro, Zabuza Momochi, Haku, Gari, Pakura, Chūkichi, Shin and Toroi as they march off to begin the war" Can be cut into: "Kabuto increases the army size by reviving a several groups of Shinobi, as they march off to begin the war" if it gets too tedious, an idea would be to select 4 individuals and each will do 1/4, so I might do from 1.1-1.4--Elveonora (talk) 14:21, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

I forgot about this...

The amount of detail doesn't really become a problem until 1.9 "The Showdown with Tobi". That's approximately where things just become a copy and paste of the chapter summaries. Before that section was started the article was 43,248 bytes. It is presently 126,120 bytes. And that also happens to be about the middle point of the arc; so the first half of the arc makes up 1/3 of the article and the second half of the arc makes up the other 2/3. The math isn't matching up there.

Not that I have any interest in doing anything about it. ~Snapper T o 09:42, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, this article is way too long. It's not a summary anymore, which is what it should be. --Speysider ^{Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel} 18:07, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Becoming Tobi?

I will not change this, but I think that to be a bad name to the section, "The Truth About Tobi/Masked Man" or "The Truth Behind Tobi/Masked Man" will be a best name. --MaskedManMadara (talk) 14:41, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Arc separation?

A thought I have. How does splitting the arc into two pages sound? A second for when the Ten-Tails' revival begins; "Ten-Tails Revival Arc"? --OmegaRasengan (talk) 22:12, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Ten-Tails' Revival is kind of a punctual event, which I don't think would fit an arc, which spans a certain time. I'm certain that it would have something to do with the Ten-Tails though. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:44, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Ever since the Ten Tails was revived, I always believed that the war arc lead into one of two last arcs, the aforementioned arc and an unknown arc. --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 02:14, February 19, 2013 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

What about something along the lines of "Return of Madara Arc"? Since it seems as though the arc took a diferent turn after Madara got to the battlefield.--Yomiko-chan (talk) 02:20, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

This is pretty much about after the Impure Reincarnation is released. When I suggested "Ten-Tails Revival Arc", I didn't actually mean name the second half that. It was a suggestion. Does "Ten-Tails Arc" or "Progenitor Arc" sound any better (the latter sounds better imo)? --OmegaRasengan (talk) 02:29, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Progenator Arc sounds very archaic. Fancey. Nice.--Yomiko-chan (talk) 02:38, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Let's go fancy! ;) I opt for the latter. --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 14:40, February 19, 2013 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

I thought the arc names are official ._. --Elveonora (talk) 15:41, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

They were never official. Most manga artists don't even think about arcs, they just let the fans think about it the arcs. --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 15:48, February 19, 2013 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

Yeah, and I don't think Kishi has even named any arcs since the Itachi Pursuit Arc. Pretty much every arc afterwards was just given a name by the fans. So, it's up to the admins and everyone else whether the events after IWR was released should be placed in a new arc page or not. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 18:15, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

I vote that we do considering that most of the character biography articles are getting too long. I think there should be the new arc. --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 04:11, February 20, 2013 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

Admins? --OmegaRasengan (talk) 21:39, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

These discussions would a lot easier if the tagging system was like Facebook. :\ Related to this: I don't want this to die. --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 02:52, February 22, 2013 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

Splitting them up sounds good! the page looks like its going to explode. --160.227.21.1 (talk) 20:36, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

As the anon above me has contribute, I do agree with him/her. It could explode if we go 100 more chapters in. --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 14:39, February 26, 2013 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

I don't see the Ten-Tails revival is its own arc, if anything we are just in a particularly long, long arc. I would not be adverse to splitting the article into two overarching sections Shinobi World War Arc: Part 1 and Shinobi World War Arc: Part 2.--TheUltimate3

^(talk) 17:55, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

What about something along the lines of "Return of Madara Arc"? Since it seems as though the arc took a diferent turn after Madara got to the battlefield.

I agree with whoever posted this suggestion. Return of Madara Arc sounds like a good name since everything's gone to hell with him around. --Speysider ^{Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel} 18:03, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Again, the title "Ten-Tails Revival Arc" was a suggestion. And the "Return of Madara Arc" doesn't sound right since he made his return before the battle with Tobi. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 19:31, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Ten-Tails revival arc?--Elveonora (talk) 22:41, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Haven't you seen the comments above? --OmegaRasengan (talk) 20:33, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

I think that should help :) (The title of the poll is kind of difficult to think of :S )--KiumaruHamachi (talk) 23:55, February 27, 2013 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

For some reason, my vote is not counting. Blackchaos27 (talk) 00:11, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

The "Return of Madara Arc" really doesn't make any sense at the point plus, the war seemed to have "ended" when Edo Tensei was released. Either the top two or something else that refers to the events afterward the release. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 00:27, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

@Blackchaos: That is so strange o.O
@Omega: You are free to add another name for the events post release. --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 00:37, February 28, 2013 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

Only way I can see Ten-Tails Revival arc working is because it was not revived all at once, it's an ongoing process. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:11, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

What do you think would work Omni? --OmegaRasengan (talk) 01:31, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

I like Progenitor Arc because it sounds awesome and because Ten-Tails Revival sounds very close to Sasuke Retrieval. Then again, Ten-Tails Revival does get the point across without any difficulty.--TheUltimate3

^(talk) 01:32, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

I voted for Ten-Tails' Revival. Out of the options, it gets the point across, and I was able to come up with a logical reason that, while not completely satisfies me, is enough for me to agree with. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:49, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

I voted for the first option. It gets the point across, just like the "Hidan and Kakazu arc" :P --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 03:35, February 28, 2013 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

So we wait until of those gets 10 votes? --OmegaRasengan (talk) 07:59, March 10, 2013 (UTC)