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== Parent ==
   
== Kanji on Technique Formula ==
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I'm sorry, why is BFT listed as a parent to this, because it's mentioned somewhat interchangeably with this? I don't think so. BFT makes no use of space-time manipulation and dimensional voids, it's just fast movement. The closest thing FTG has to a parent technique is the summoning technique. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:14, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
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:@Omni this chapter referred to FTG as a BFT. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 21:59, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
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::Confused me as well. Perhaps it's an error or it indeed wasn't referring to Flying God, because on next page it's called with its proper name--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:21, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
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:::@Elv like we discussed in Tobirama Talk Page that you said i was wrong stating that FTG is a BFT, they already referred to the FTG as a BFT when Tobirama stated that Minato's BFT was better than his one. FTG is a BFT, very simple. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 22:27, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
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::::Again, it's impossible. BFT is using chakra flow to increase speed, FTG is a space-time technique that uses sealing formulas, not related at all.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:36, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
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:::::Tell that to Kishi @Elv, the real fact here is that they refer to FTG as a BFT. If they do, twice in a row now, our duty is to add it like that. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 01:02, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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It's not an error. It can't be an error twice by the techniques assumed creator saying the same thing twice and then mentioning that Minato had marked Obito. The technique to me, looks like its compile of more than one technique the body flicker would account for the instantaneous appearance of the persons while (in theory) the summoning technique/shiki would account for the actual movement from marked location x to y.-[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:49, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
   
Can someone translate the kanji on the [[:File:Seal For The Flying Thunder God Technique.PNG|technique formula on this pic]]? I could only make out the first kanji 忍 (''nin'', endure) and last 絶 (''zetsu'', absolute). Can't tell the second one if it's awakening (''kaku'', as in ''kakusei''), and the third seems to have something to do with talisman. [[User:Yatanogarasu|Yatanogarasu]] ([[User_talk:Yatanogarasu|Talk]]) 19:37, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
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That makes no sense Cerez, all summoning techniques are instantaneous because they are teleportation. Body Flicker is actual fast movement from place to place.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:54, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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:That does make sense the FTG would transport the person from x to y while the summoning technique summons the person, and the BFT make the person appear to fast and startling the opponent, It seems they could work together and that could actually explain how the technique might work but that's theory --[[User:ROOT 根|ROOT 根 ]] ([[User talk:ROOT 根|talk]]) 16:57, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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::The usage is teory, but FTG being a BFT isn't... We can speculate all we want, but the fact doens't change, even if we disagree with it. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 17:05, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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:::The only thing of BFT in FTG is the look, it does not play any actual role in how the technique works. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:10, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
   
Check [[User_talk:GoDai#Re:_Hiraishin_Jutsu_Formula|this]] out. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 19:40, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
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It must be an error. I believe the first instance meant what was said, they were indeed talking about body flicker when Tobirama commented about Minato. Now, Kishi simply confused himself and screwed up. No matter how hard you try to justify it, there isn't ANY body flicker involved in FTG--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:12, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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:But isn't an error. Twice in a row now. Just accept it. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 17:31, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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::I highly doubt it's an error not twice by the same person unless Tobirama or Kishimoto is dyslexic. I think the FTG incorporates the body flicker somehow and possibly even the summoning technique but note there is no need for blood sacrifice or even smoke as we've noted except that one time Minato teleported which might have just been him kicking up dust. I thought at first that it may have been an error but it makes no sense that Tobirama and Minato would fly and then stop and use the BFT to arrive on the battlefield. And then Tobirama comes back and says the same thing again? To me it makes sense that its incorporated in the technique. Not too sure of I've explained it right though.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:37, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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:::You are clear enough but it isn't. Body Flicker is running chakra flow into feet (and presumably also hands when fast hand seal movements are used) to increase speed. There's no need to use body flicker since FTG is already speed of light, there's no way to incorporate it there, it's just an excuse for a mess-up. The technique doesn't work the way you think it does. For your no sense, they can teleport only to a marked place not anywhere their wishes, so they had to walk the rest there. And yes, Kishimoto is a human and he has a history of quite some mess-ups behind him already. Databook description nor the manga and all we know about techniques and shit mentions what you think has happened--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:54, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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::::Without giving into thr incessant cries of error, because its not, we could all be wrong and the term Body Flicker Technique is being used as a category as opposed to the actual technique. I don't think anyone is dumb enough to be doing a series and to make the mistake of calling one of the most famous techniques and saying oh well it's gone to shit so let me continue to call it that maybe the idiots won't notice and continue to serialise my manga. So I say we ask Seelentau to translate what's said in both instances and if we want to hold off on adding it as a technique I wouldnt br against it.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:05, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
   
Thanks. But I checked a little more, and I think I have the basic boiled down to this: the second kanji is kaku 覚, third is fu 符, and the last is zetsu 絶. {{Translation|Nikaku Fuzetsu|忍覚符絶|lit meaning=Endurance Awakening Talisman Absolute}}? I already left this translation at ShounenSuki's page, but still, here would be a possible for everyone to determine its validity. [[User:Yatanogarasu|Yatanogarasu]] ([[User_talk:Yatanogarasu|Talk]]) 19:49, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
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The thing is, both body flicker and flying thunder god have a databook entry, the former isn't stated to be a category but a specific technique with workings nothing alike the latter. So "yes, no, maybe I don't know..." is pointless to do here, it's clearly either a contradiction; thus either an error or retcon, or simply scanlators messed up this time--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:09, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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:I'm not sure if BFT is parent, but i think it is related somehow with FTG, theres no doubt in that. It is not an error. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 18:26, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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:::It wouldn't be the first time that a technique is the same as a category name, eg clone technique(s). The databooks use a whole heap of sub categories. This isn't one of those things we should chalk up to being an error or retcon- really? We seem to love that word a lot nowadays. We just need to find the best way to integrate the information.[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:29, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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::::My opinion is that somehow FTG principles contains is base in BFT, and the way they talk, or it is related, or is parent or is from BFT category because of the fast body moviment. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 18:34, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
   
Because Kanji is japanese using chinese symbols for literally the exact same words, I used google translate to get the symbols. The 2nd kanji isn't 覚 meaning awakening. What I got was 忍交符绝, which if you take those and put them into google translate and translate either detect language or chinese into english you get Endure Cross Symbol Absolutely. Now I'm not saying that's EXACTLY what it is, because I don't know how to read Japanese or Chinese. I went to this site, http://www.saiga-jp.com/language/kanji_list.html, and looked at all the Kanji they had. The closest one to the 2nd kanji for the FTG formula I found in the 2nd grade set. Where it says "Grade 2 (160 characters) available contents: basic informations, stroke order image, pronunciation audio", right at the edge of the light blue box, go to the 3rd Kanji on the right past the box and you get 交. Now I down't know what these are pronounced as in japanese, but Cross actually sounds fitting due to the use of this technique. [[Special:Contributions/8.27.210.170|8.27.210.170]] ([[User talk:8.27.210.170|talk]]) 15:55, November 16, 2012 (UTC) Connor 9:54, November 16, 2012 UTC-06:00
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Sigh, perhaps Kishimoto has had mechanical and/or chemical brain damage from injury or senility caught him early, there's no need to kiss his behind. No matter how hard one tries to justify something false doesn't and won't make it true. The best course of action is to check the kanji, perhaps it's written differently and we may have 2 different body flickers here--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:13, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
   
== hirashin lv 2 or hirashin has 2 steps ==
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Maybe it's the parent in the same way the Tailed Beast Ball is the parent to Rasengan. It doesn't have to work on the same mechanical principle to serve as the inspiration. It could simply be that Minato looked at this basic ability and thought, how do I do this better? Besides that, to say that Body Flicker serves no purpose in this is inaccurate to a degree, Minato himself still has to be capable with high speed movement to make this technique truly effective, or else he's just dropping himself into a position where he's a sitting duck and anyone who has worked out that he moves to where the kunai are could get the drop on him if he wasn't capable of evading once teleported. Kinda like Dojutsu and the Chidori. --[[User:Hawkeye2701|Hawkeye2701]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye2701|talk]]) 19:28, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
   
because NS 248 was out,... so, which one is true?? there is hirashin lv 2 or hirashin has 2 steps??? sorry for my bad english... [[Special:Contributions/182.1.201.171|182.1.201.171]] ([[User talk:182.1.201.171|talk]]) 08:34, February 10, 2012 (UTC)FantasticGirl
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In the same vain Elveonora, there is no need to go around discrediting the manga, that's what forum and messageboards are for, not Narutopedia. You cannot stand on someone's back and curse at them, it doesn't make any sense. im not saying he doesn't make mistakes but you're always too quick to call Kishimoto an idiot.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:42, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
:[[#About the so-called Hiraishin Level 2|This]]. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 08:37, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Picture Slideshow ==
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I'd sooner consider BFT as an inspiration for developing a reverse summon than in the vein of TBB and Rasengan than an actual parent technique. At the very most, it could go in the related jutsu if that's the case. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:08, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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:If not a parent then I don't think we should add it as a related either. Trivia maybe, depending on the translations we can get.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:20, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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:Trivia isn't enough, parent or related should be the options. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 23:23, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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ok well id like to add something here, I was right btw about tobirama and the flying thunder god...and how the seal works. and so I would like to put a little input here, if a certain user doesn't mind shutting up for a minute and stop spotting nonsense. maybe we all misunderstood how the jutsu actually working in the first place, kishi doesn't make mistakes but not nearly as often as others claim. rarely actually...I don't even believe 100% sure that the data books and completely him like the old DBZ ones weren't akira either. Anyways I think the jutsu is derived from the BFT like someone else said, since its being referred to as a BFT there should be no dispute about it. that is what the author said it is, no matter what we have to say its simply what it is, even if it don't make sense, kishimoto said its BFT so it is. that should be all that is needed, now a trivia saying something like, "this jutsu was called a BFT by its users in the 4th war, but why or how the techniques are related" would be good.--[[User:J spencer93|J spencer93]] ([[User talk:J spencer93|talk]]) 04:27, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
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:I don't understand how can someone try to take notice of what the creator says in his creations, who does not want to follow what Kishimoto decides in his works, one can go to Fanon and create himself what one believes. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 11:33, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
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:: The same goes to you, Dan. You seem to speculate a lot yourself. But that isn't the issue here. Body Flicker is the act of moving one's body at a fast rate of speed. But that's all it is. Raw speed. Flying Thunder God actually ''teleports'', using space-time, the user from one spot to another, sometimes miles and miles away. Even the fastest Body Flicker cannot achieve such a feat. Regardless of what was said by Tobirama, it doesn't change what the technique does, and it ''certainly'' doesn't make Body Flicker a parent. At the very least, we could leave a Trivia note that states that Tobirama mentioned in passing that it was faster than his "shunshin" (even though I think he was actually referring to Minato's speed, not the Flying Thunder God; some people just have a habit of taking what they want from the chapter and ignoring everything else that could be a possibility). However, unless anyone here has any cold hard facts that Shunshin is anyway involved in ''teleportation'', then we shouldn't jump the gun by adding such a technique as the parent to this one. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 17:58, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
   
Why are we using that slideshow? The first and second pictures are at angles that do ''not'' properly show Minato teleporting. The one where he teleported to Mahiru's foot is more accurate. [[User:Yatanogarasu|Yatanogarasu]] ([[User_talk:Yatanogarasu|Talk]]) 08:00, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
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::: Yeah, I just read the chapter again. Nowhere in it does he suggest he is referencing the Flying Thunder God. Minato arrives to the battlefield first, but not because of Flying Thunder God — he doesn't even have a tag on the battlefield prior to arriving, so it is impossible for him to have done so. Tobirama and the others arrive in the next chapter, and are visibly shown landing, ''not teleporting''. He was commenting on Minato's raw speed. Not his Flying Thunder God Technique. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:04, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
:The single image of his with his hand on Mahiru's foot O.o? I know that the sequence in there now is not the best to illustrate the technique (this would be one of the only times I'd support us using .gifs) but one image can and probably will never, properly display the technique.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 12:06, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
::How about one image of Mahiru alone, then the next, Minato teleports to his foot? [[User:Yatanogarasu|Yatanogarasu]] ([[User_talk:Yatanogarasu|Talk]]) 23:54, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Unfortunately the scene doesn't play out like that in the anime, as the beginning of that particular event is depicted in close-up, so currently the sequence that is being used is the most viable one. Other than waiting for the scene where Minato confronts A, there is little alternative than to stick with what's already there, although ''maybe'' the addition of some concise descriptions to the images could help clarify what is actually occurring. [[User:Blackstar1|Blackstar1]] ([[User talk:Blackstar1|talk]]) 00:54, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
::I was also waiting on the A vs. Minato clash to see if better series of images could come from there since that's the best scene(s) with them. So why not simply use them now? I know it's been depicted in the anime, but those images show the technique best.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 01:13, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Yeah, I didn't watch that two-parter close enough to notice, so let's wait for A vs Minato and hope for the best there. [[User:Yatanogarasu|Yatanogarasu]] ([[User_talk:Yatanogarasu|Talk]]) 02:31, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Yes but what about changing it now O.o It'd look like this:
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@Fox, that's what I say as well, but some people want to coat things the way it suits them, ignoring facts. Quite certain the first time around, Tobirama was referring to Minato's speed using Body Flicker Technique. This second time, it may be a mistake--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:35, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
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: Totally agree with you Elve. he was referring to Minato's speed. Not the Flying Thunder God Technique. The second time could be a mistake, a mistranslation, or another misinterpretation, but there is no way, literally, zero that high-speed movement equates to '''''anything''''' space-time related. They're as different as the earth and the moon. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 21:40, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
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um ten tails...saying its as different as the earth and the moon is funny...the moon and earth are created by the same rocks from somewhere near 4 billion years ago...so they are pretty close...and anyways I don't think it should be counted as a parent jutsu. or related. just thing you guys act like your the official source of the manga which you aint. kishimoto is, and when he says something it should be taken as official except when their a possibility of mistake. In that instance you should make a note in the trivia and wait for the tankobon to either fix it, or see if he makes a commit somewhere about it.--[[User:J spencer93|J spencer93]] ([[User talk:J spencer93|talk]]) 22:44, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
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oh and I would like to add that I wasn't saying BFT and FTG are the same, I was saying as far as we know from what is in the manga, the author has hinted at some kind of connection, hence the suggested trivia. or else he is retconing the BFT which I would hope not. --[[User:Jspencer93|Jspencer93]] ([[User talk:Jspencer93|talk]]) 06:26, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
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</gallery> Much easier to follow and such ye?--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 02:42, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
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Oh my God you guys get off it. I've seen some of you run with more off less that what Tobirama has said '''twice''' now. He is referring to the FTG technique when he says BFT.The only thing that's left to be decided is whether or not he's referring to the technique itself or simply as a category.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:02, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
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: Except he's not referring to it. I read the chapter. If you think he's referring to it, you either don't know how to use context clues, or didn't read the page immediately before it. He was referring to Minato's speed. Flying Thunder God is a teleporation technique, not a high speed movement technique, hence it is ''not'' a Shunshin. You go from point A to point B instantly. They are completely different. They're not even a ''similar'' concept. How you could even reason that it is a Shunshin is beyond me. If we absolutely have to include it, put it in the trivia, but beyond that, leave it how it is. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 04:41, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
   
Not enough background, looks like its from 3 different chapters. --[[User:Gojita|Gojita]] ([[User talk:Gojita|talk]]) 13:26, March 12, 2012 (UTC)Gojita
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What if Tobirama wasn't referring to the Hirashin and he really did mean that Minato used a BFT with a clone..... so he could have used BFT with the clone, but the FTG to actually get their--[[User:Deathmailrock|Deathmailrock]] ([[User talk:Deathmailrock|talk]]) 19:15, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
:Cerez's gallery seems best. Looks like a good display/summary of the technique to me [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 14:47, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
::I'm not too sure, as I think the flow of either sequence suffers greatly from the severe angle changes that are present in both, meaning that someone's preference becomes more dependent upon how acquainted they are with the particular scenes. It's a shame that the "''two steps''" of the technique haven't been clarified, as the inclusion of short descriptions could have really helped. [[User:Blackstar1|Blackstar1]] ([[User talk:Blackstar1|talk]]) 15:47, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Not too sure what "not enough background" means O.o People are already (or at least should be) well acquainted with how the technique works given that it has appeared in all Naruto-related mediums. This is simply a case where we'd use manga images to depict the sequence of event which could be aided by descriptions with the images: "Minato scatters his kunai over the battlefield" "is able to move from one location to another marked location" etc for example. It's a bit regressive, but with the policy that prohibits the use of .gif files, I don't think any of the current images can "really" show the technique.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 16:33, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
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I might have missed it, but just in case, do the kanji match? I mean for FTG and for what Tobirama has referred to after Minato cut Obito--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:39, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
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:@Deathmailrock, if it is only a BFT why Minato would talk about the FTG marks? And @TTF i am a speculative guy, i admit it, but only when the facts aren't minimally explicit. This is not about what you guys believe, but what the autor states, if he states that is a BFT, our duty is to follow it (At least that is what this wiki does... Right?), logical conclusions should be discussed, thats when i speculate, now there is nothing to discuss, the autor said so, where is the difficulty to do so?. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 14:08, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
   
:Well if ''concise'' descriptions are to be included, then I'm fine with using the manga sequence, given that it has better clarity and that I'm under the impression it depicts how Minato is implied to typically employ the technique (i.e. scattering numerous kunai). [[User:Blackstar1|Blackstar1]] ([[User talk:Blackstar1|talk]]) 16:59, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
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It said he used Shunshin with a clone; he didn't use the FTG with a clone, he used it with his real body. Also I read that people said FTG was called BFT 2x? 1 time was what we are talking about now; was the other time when Minato used a fast BFT to save Kakashi when he 1st used chidori or was it when the 2nd was complimenting Minato's BFT saying it was faster than his own? cause I'm pretty sure both times were actually the BFT..... so in the manga, FTG was never actually called BFT..... again, in chapter 637, Tobirama said that he used BFT with a CLONE, not his real body. His REAL body used the FTG--[[User:Deathmailrock|Deathmailrock]] ([[User talk:Deathmailrock|talk]]) 20:07, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Trivia point ==
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== From What We Know ==
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From what we know, Tobirama has not been shown using the FTG markings? Should we list that he apparently doesn't need them, since he hasn't been using them? [[File: Senju_Symbol.svg|20px]]'''KotoSenju''' ''('''OldUser:'''JaZZBaND)''-[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|Contributions]] 01:11, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
   
So I'm not sure, maybe I'm interpreting it wrongly (and I don't think asking the author will help much) but is there a point to having a trivia point that says:
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Hasn't been seen using them, but since it's basically an integral part of the technique, I'd hold off. I mean we've basically only seen him use the FTG twice, once cutting down Izuna and once to teleport to the battlefield. Until we gather a bit more it would seem to be premature, even by my standards. --[[User:Hawkeye2701|Hawkeye2701]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye2701|talk]]) 01:15, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
"In the games, most of Minato's ultimate techniques involves teleporting behind his opponent using Rasengan."
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:Well, I was just seeking confirmation due to the fact it's in his page. [[File: Senju_Symbol.svg|20px]]'''KotoSenju''' ''('''OldUser:'''JaZZBaND)''-[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|Contributions]] 01:35, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
I mean, isn't that Minato's whole fighting style O.o.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 00:48, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
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::When have we seen him using it to get to the battlefield? He used it to kill Izuna, and to take Hiruzen to the Hokage faces in Konoha. He's at least aware of the tags, since he commented about them in the last chapter. I just find it strange that their heads in the Hokage Mountain would be marked. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:47, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
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:::I do think Tobirama uses markings like Minato but in a different manner. He's made reference to marking and the name if the technique would cease to make sense. However we shouldn't make any assumptions on that front so if you see any feel free to remove it.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:54, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
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::::I always thought Tobirama didn't use the marks. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 11:45, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Hiraishin Lv 2 ==
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@Omni: He didn't? I thought he did, That was my general impression for how they all got there so fast... Course he did use it to the get to the Hokage monument right enough... Though yeah, Hokage heads marked... I guess it would be useful for anyone who wanted to survey the entire village? --[[User:Hawkeye2701|Hawkeye2701]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye2701|talk]]) 13:26, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
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:Why'd anyone think the Hokage heads are marked? They just jumped on top of them, as far as I can see o.ô [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:35, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
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::I guess it's assumed from the fact that they touched the First and Third before moving. I never thought the heads were marked though. The whole set up leaves a lot of holes for us to fill in like how exactly they got to the battlefield. Can you shed any light on the sound fx that's used there though? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:51, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
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:::No need for that. They're obviously jumping straight to the heads, if Tobirama had brought the other two with him, they'd stand on the same head as him, wouldn't they? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:57, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
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::::That's what I assumed.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:03, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
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:::::The thing is, we see Minato and Tobirama placing their hands on Hiruzen and Hashirama's shoulders, and then they simply disappear. There are no speed lines indicating movement towards any direction. Minato and Tobirama took them via FTG some distance above the heads, each dropping on their own. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:10, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
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::::::You can see them jump, accompanied by the sound word フッ ''Fu'', which shows sudden movement. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:34, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
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:::::::More like sudden disappearance. We see them coming down, but not them coming up. It they had simply jumped, why would Tobirama and Minato place their hands on the other two's shoulders? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:06, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
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::::::::They meant it in a sense of "come on, let's jump to the heads and look cool", I think. Furthermore, Kishimoto isn't the guys to make such vague actions. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:24, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
   
should we add in the trivia section that in the indonesian version of the volume, there is hiraishin lv 2..??
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I agree with Omni, they teleported... but well, anime will make it clearer lol--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:14, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
[http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg624/WisnuSiga/Foto0328.jpg?t=1332064264]
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:Well, i believe the marks are exclusive to Minato, he learned fuinjutsu with the Uzumaki and applied on FTG, thats how his FTG is faster than Tobirama's. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 23:35, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
[http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg624/WisnuSiga/Foto0327.jpg?t=1332064264]
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::Well, a belief is nothing but a delusion most of the time because there isn't any evidence at all, otherwise it would be a fact. The fuuinjutsu applied to subjects/objects is exactly how the technique works, without it, it doesn't. It's possible Minato upgraded it by adding the "mark people" part aka. level 2, but Tobirama's weapon at least has to have the mark on it for the technique to be usable.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 01:42, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
   
minato says "inilah hiraishin level dua (english: that(this) was hiraishin lv 2)"...
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What if it's like this: When Tobirama invented the Jutsu, it was just a simple, offensive used Shunshin no Jutsu, meaning there was only speed, no space-time stuff or formulas. Minato, being the genius he was, upgraded the former Hiraishin to what we have now. That's why Tobirama only calls it Shunshin no Jutsu, he simply doesn't know better and only learned after his second revival of Minato's use of the technique. I know this sounds far-fetched, but it'd work, huh? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:00, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
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:@Seel that's where i was trying to get, i believe Tobirama's version doesn't have any mark, if it had, it would have been shown by now. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 17:12, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
   
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@Seel, yes and aliens anal probe people, no disrespect, but it's an excuse rather than a plausible explanation. Why would Tobirama call an ordinary Body Flicker "Flying Thunder God" unlikely just to sound cool ... To our knowledge, Senju Clan back in the day had extensive skill in many jutsu areas, hell Tobirama and Hashirama are power monsters. Minato prodigy or not, making a named technique something completely else is cringe-worthy. That's like x character getting inspired from Naruto's fart into Kiba's face and upgrading that into an S-rank Kinjutsu by increasing its odor and density exceptionally, creating a cloud of death that could annihilate whole of universe in an instant had he wished.
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Seriously, some people should stick out their heads from the comfort zone of their arses, context is important. Remember, Hashirama ordered Tobirama to prepare for a transport, meaning teleportation indeed is involved.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:28, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
   
sorry for my bad english... ^.^
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:I really believe Body Flicker there is being used as a category rather than the actual technique. Kishimoto has done it before and I was trying to find an instance where I remember him making an odd category for a technique (kinda like "infinite explosion ninjutsu"- who else is going to create something like that [don't say Konan >.>]). It's dumb yes that Tobirama simply doesn't just say FTG but that's just how it's been done. I have a feeling the did jump onto the statues but that's a big ass jump even for ninja. But the alternative of them teleporting and (to me it seems like Tobirama and Minato would've had to push Hashirama and Hiruzen over to their statues). Still, the info from what I can see seems accurate. It just seems like he's using BFT as a substitute for the term Jikukan Ninjutsu.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:45, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/182.1.131.22|182.1.131.22]] ([[User talk:182.1.131.22|talk]]) 09:57, March 18, 2012 (UTC)Jengkol
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::Then he sure has lost his swag, assuming he had any considering it to be true that that's what he calls it like. I'm quite certain that about half a century ago the term "space-time ninjutsu" did already exist within Narutoverse, unless it became a convention more recently. EDIT: "looks at Cerez's profile picture" hah--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:28, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
:All versions said that. It was a mistranslation that was cleared up [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Flying_Thunder_God_Technique/Archive_1#About_the_so-called_Hiraishin_Level_2 here].--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 10:17, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
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:Sometimes I come to this site just to read Elveonora's posts:)...--[[User:Karunyan|Karunyan]] ([[User talk:Karunyan|talk]]) 03:14, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
   
random here just wanna add how the flying thunder god jutsu seems to be more about reverse summoning than anything else mentioned in its article.{{unsigned|121.210.145.208}}
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To get to the battle field, didn't they all just use Shunshin? it was never stated that Minato's FTG was faster than Tobirama's, just that his shunshin is faster than his..... Also it was stated that Tobirama was a master of time space jutsu, and seeing how this is a time space jutsu, I'd say that he probably did use seals (cause it's also a reference to lightning rods).... I don't think that the FTG jutsu was actually referred to as BFT. They probably just used BFT. Also, when they were on their statued heads, It looked like they jumped down, so they were on the top of the mountain above the heads (chapter 627). It wasn't shown how they got above the mountain in the 1st place (probably Hiraishin), but they didn't teleport on top of the heads, they jumped DOWN onto them.--[[User:Deathmailrock|Deathmailrock]] ([[User talk:Deathmailrock|talk]]) 20:22, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
:Okay. What is in the article is pretty much a direct translation from the databook.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:31, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Just wondering on the Users of the technique ==
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== Seals ==
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I believe its safe to say practitioners of the technique, or at least Minato, can either sense or have a rough idea of what is going on around the seals that they place. I say this because
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1. Minato is always aware of where his seals are, even when they are scattered everywhere by kunai. When this tactic was used in the war he teleported all over the battle field to enemies near his ftg kunai and attacked them almost simultaneously.
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2. He incorporated the FTG into kushina's seal so that he would always know if she was in danger and be able to reach her at a moments notice.
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3. We know now that even his space-time barrier requires a seal to mark its destination and whenever he used this technique to warp an attack, namely tailed beast balls, he put them on far away seals. Meaning he knew where he was sending them and what was around the seal because he stated specifically in the Nine tails attack on konoha that he would have to send the blast "somewhere safe". If he didn't know what was around his kunai or wasnt aware of his seals surroundings then how could he have known which kunai was "safe". [[User:Mr JCM|Mr JCM]] ([[User talk:Mr JCM|talk]]) 01:41, August 9, 2013 (UTC) Mr JCM
   
Didn't Naruto use this in chapter 544? or was that something else?{{unsigned|71.164.238.198}}
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:Well, seeing as he '''was''' the one to put the seal somewhere, I would think he would know the area around the spot. My biggest problem with what you're saying is that there has been moments where, if he could have known a situation through the seal, he wouldn't have to have been filled in. The biggest one that I think shows this is the seal that was on Obito. Not only was he told what happened (by someone not even on the battlefield, no less) but he didn't just teleport directly to Obito to help the people there, which would have been faster than running all the way there. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 10:33, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
   
No Naruto didn't use hiraishin no jutsu, he just used the immense amount of speed granted by the 9-tails chakra mode. Yamato just likened it to the hiraishin no jutsu.[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.70|71.71.58.70]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.70|talk]]) 09:37, September 14, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
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== Combined Hiraishin ==
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Tobirama says "combined Hiraishin" in here. chapter 643 page 7
   
I disagree. I think Naruto did use it. He learned it from his dad during their time together. Both Tsunade and Bee thought it looked "just like a yellow flash".
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I dont know its raws but it can be a variation ?--[[User:Salamancc|Salamancc]] ([[User talk:Salamancc|talk]]) 21:57, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
I'm sure A fought with many Jinchurikis before, first example being Bee himself who has an excellent bond with Hachibi, yet it is still said "naruto is the second to ever evade it". Therefore I think it's no coincidence, speed and Biju power isn't enough to dodge it - Naruto can not only USE flying thunder god, he perfected it (like he did with Rasengan, his dad's other S-level technique)
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:No links to scanlations. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:51, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/62.219.147.167|62.219.147.167]] ([[User talk:62.219.147.167|talk]]) 10:49, November 28, 2012 (UTC) Kobi Mangafan
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::Him+someone else = ''combined''. If that word was used. It's no different than before, you're just there for the ride, not doing anything yourself.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 06:59, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
:#The Flying thunder god technique requires a seal at the place where the user wants to go. Naruto hasn't placed out any seals.
 
:#The Flying thunder god technique summons a person to the seal, thus no movement and no flash.
 
:#Minato didn't get the nickname "yellow flash" from using the Flying thunder god technique, but from his "normal" speed. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 11:19, November 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
It was just a body flicker my god...--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:08, November 28, 2012 (UTC)
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== Tobirama pt 2 ==
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I hate having to speculate, but in the recent chapter, 646, Tobirama jumped with Hiruzen, Naruto, and Minato. But landed on a place which he had ''not'' tagged. The only reason this caught my attention is because, the landscape was dramatically changed. Ugh, it's just like the Hokage Stone Heads scenario. Am I going crazy or something? [[File: Senju_Symbol.svg|20px]]'''KotoSenju''' ''('''OldUser:'''JaZZBaND)''-[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|Contributions]] 17:58, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
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:I think we're supposed to assume he either marked Sasuke, Jūgo or something in that area. The Hokage Monument isn't a mystery: they didn't fly to the battlefield, they used the Body Flicker Technique to get there.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]18:30, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
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::Ok, understood. [[File: Senju_Symbol.svg|20px]]'''KotoSenju''' ''('''OldUser:'''JaZZBaND)''-[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|Contributions]] 18:38, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Level 2 and game ==
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== References ==
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I may be wrong, but I think references number 18 is incorrect. [[User:20Ca$h12|20Ca$h12]] ([[User talk:20Ca$h12|talk]]) 14:20, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
So, I was checking new gameplay video, and it seems that, at least for video game purposes, they do consider the "level 2" a different technique, it's Minato's ninjutsu during awakenings in UNS3. They called it "Flying Raijin: Second Stage", that's probably 飛雷神二の段, which we would translate as "Flying Thunder God: Second Step". Looks like the same thing he did against Obito, the action in the video was a bit fast, but that's what it looked like. That'll probably be created for video game, but the question is, do we consider it a separate technique manga and anime wise as well? I know we always considered it just an explanation of the technique itself. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:10, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Anyone? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:46, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
No, "Flying Thunder God Technique Level 2" sounds stupid as an article. But if a videogame names them separately, we will do so... so canonical article nope, but two game articles yep if that bothers you ;)--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:19, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
:The video game technique "Flying Thunder God: Sequential Steps" was most likely named after what the manga called "Flying Thunder God: Second Step". It wouldn't be anything "new". What I wonder is if we should do like it was done with Sasori. There were at least a few of his techniques in the manga and anime that were never named, but named in the video games, so those were used. I don't know if they were considered techniques in their own right before the games came out, that happened way before I knew what Naruto was. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:45, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Those 2 Sasori's techniques were unique, this is flying thunder god no matters how you look at it. Would be like making a separate article for the ranged variant of Rasenshuriken. Also what about this? http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Flying_Thunder_God_Technique/Archive_1#About_the_so-called_Hiraishin_Level_2 --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 01:31, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I don't know. I liken it to when one technique is used a new way and although the newly named technique is simply a different way to use the very same technique. I think of it like the naruto uzumaki 2k barrage vs the original naruto uzumaki barrage.[[Special:Contributions/98.26.246.74|98.26.246.74]] ([[User talk:98.26.246.74|talk]]) 01:50, November 7, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
 
 
If the game lists it as a technique then I believe we should add it as a game technique without letting one media colour the other. Maybe make a note that in the canon series it's a misconception about the "two steps" and such.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:33, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Dodging ==
 
 
How does he know when to dodge the attack of a lightning-fast punch from [[A]]? [[Minato]] may be fast, but it dosen't increase his reflexes.--[[User:Aeonophic|Aeonophic]] ([[User talk:Aeonophic|talk]]) 21:25, November 18, 2012 (UTC)Aeonophic
 
:It gives him the advantage by only requiring him to notice the attack is coming, not try and maneuver out of the way, the seal does it for him. --[[User:Hawkeye2701|Hawkeye2701]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye2701|talk]]) 21:45, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
::He dodges it at the last possible moment. Though Minato has good reflexes, it's not something that he does reflex-wise, to me at least, it seems as though, A was simply an inch away from punching Minato and the speed of his technique allowed him to fly in that short gap of time.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:46, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==Debut==
 
ya know in the first episode and chapter of the series, in the very beginning; Minato and Gamabuna are briefly shown fighting Kurama.. and theres a bright flash ending the flashback.. so im pretty sure that is the first official debut of Hiraishin.--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] ([[User talk:RexGodwin|talk]]) 05:11, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Except Hiraishin doesn't give off light. A bit in the games, but not in the manga and anime. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:09, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Flying Thunder God Slash ==
 
 
I had a hunch that this day would possibly come ever since Mianto said Tobirama could use Jikukan Ninjutsu. Any way, I just wanted to know if anyone could find a source for where it says that Minato created this technique? I tried to find databook translations, but was not successful.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:24, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:There's a reference to second databook, too lazy to check it out lol. If the kanji are mostly the same, then I doubt it's just a coincidence--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:40, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
::I was hoping we could find an English translation. None from ShounenSuki though or at mangahelpers who are very good at this. I'll still check though.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:42, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Can't find anything either :-/--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:50, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::[http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy359/magussg2/Naruto%20Databook%202/266.jpg According to this] (not too sure it counts as a link that shouldn't be there) it does say a technique of the Fourth Hokage. Though that still doesn't say he invented or engineered it. Omnibender could actually confirm it better than me, as I actually speak Spanish, not Portuguese.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:51, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Perhaps Sasuke invented [[Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique]] by himself but [[Fire Release: Dragon Flame Release Song Technique|the concept existed earlier on]] just like perhaps Minato took what Tobirama had and improved upon it--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:01, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
That scanlation says nothing we don't know or list already. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:05, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
:It's more '''how''' we word it, rather than what's actually there. We have accurate information and everything, but there's a huge difference when we say "'''used''' by Minato Namikaze" as opposed to "'''created''' by Minato Namikaze". Going forward it could make the difference.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:46, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Sempai, i can speak Portuguese (actually i am that) and there is nothing in that link you posted that states that Minato invented the technique, only that his use of it was what made him famous. Minato may have improved the technique, he maybe better at it than Tobirama, but we have zero evidence that he was it's creator...add that to the how he slapped himself and the Second as space-time technique users and now this technique, with virtually the same name...yeah i think i make myself clear. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 02:52, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Aye, you did. The changes have been made already.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:13, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Inventor? ==
 
 
Was this technique indeed created by Minato? The reference provided in the article for the info, which is the 2nd databook, says nothing of such. The 2nd databook simply says the technique is Minato's technique. I think that the line came to be in the article when some Minato-fan created or edited the article. This is why any info not EXPLICITLY supported by canon should never be allowed in here. Original research or "intelligent deductions" should be limited as much as possible.
 
[[User:NoJutsu|NoJutsu]] ([[User talk:NoJutsu|talk]]) 04:47, March 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
:If you had bothered to look at the section above the one you created you'd have seen that the community was already discussing the issue. Stop blowing it out of proprtion, it was neither research nor intelligent deductions, it was a poor word choice from a translation. Notice since you have the databook translation at hand, that the article is possibly near word-for-word of it.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:58, March 20, 2013 (UTC)
 

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I'm sorry, why is BFT listed as a parent to this, because it's mentioned somewhat interchangeably with this? I don't think so. BFT makes no use of space-time manipulation and dimensional voids, it's just fast movement. The closest thing FTG has to a parent technique is the summoning technique. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:14, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

@Omni this chapter referred to FTG as a BFT. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 21:59, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
Confused me as well. Perhaps it's an error or it indeed wasn't referring to Flying God, because on next page it's called with its proper name--Elveonora (talk) 22:21, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
@Elv like we discussed in Tobirama Talk Page that you said i was wrong stating that FTG is a BFT, they already referred to the FTG as a BFT when Tobirama stated that Minato's BFT was better than his one. FTG is a BFT, very simple. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 22:27, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
Again, it's impossible. BFT is using chakra flow to increase speed, FTG is a space-time technique that uses sealing formulas, not related at all.--Elveonora (talk) 22:36, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
Tell that to Kishi @Elv, the real fact here is that they refer to FTG as a BFT. If they do, twice in a row now, our duty is to add it like that. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 01:02, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

It's not an error. It can't be an error twice by the techniques assumed creator saying the same thing twice and then mentioning that Minato had marked Obito. The technique to me, looks like its compile of more than one technique the body flicker would account for the instantaneous appearance of the persons while (in theory) the summoning technique/shiki would account for the actual movement from marked location x to y.-Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 16:49, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

That makes no sense Cerez, all summoning techniques are instantaneous because they are teleportation. Body Flicker is actual fast movement from place to place.--Elveonora (talk) 16:54, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

That does make sense the FTG would transport the person from x to y while the summoning technique summons the person, and the BFT make the person appear to fast and startling the opponent, It seems they could work together and that could actually explain how the technique might work but that's theory --ROOT 根 (talk) 16:57, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
The usage is teory, but FTG being a BFT isn't... We can speculate all we want, but the fact doens't change, even if we disagree with it. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 17:05, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
The only thing of BFT in FTG is the look, it does not play any actual role in how the technique works. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:10, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

It must be an error. I believe the first instance meant what was said, they were indeed talking about body flicker when Tobirama commented about Minato. Now, Kishi simply confused himself and screwed up. No matter how hard you try to justify it, there isn't ANY body flicker involved in FTG--Elveonora (talk) 17:12, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

But isn't an error. Twice in a row now. Just accept it. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 17:31, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
I highly doubt it's an error not twice by the same person unless Tobirama or Kishimoto is dyslexic. I think the FTG incorporates the body flicker somehow and possibly even the summoning technique but note there is no need for blood sacrifice or even smoke as we've noted except that one time Minato teleported which might have just been him kicking up dust. I thought at first that it may have been an error but it makes no sense that Tobirama and Minato would fly and then stop and use the BFT to arrive on the battlefield. And then Tobirama comes back and says the same thing again? To me it makes sense that its incorporated in the technique. Not too sure of I've explained it right though.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 17:37, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
You are clear enough but it isn't. Body Flicker is running chakra flow into feet (and presumably also hands when fast hand seal movements are used) to increase speed. There's no need to use body flicker since FTG is already speed of light, there's no way to incorporate it there, it's just an excuse for a mess-up. The technique doesn't work the way you think it does. For your no sense, they can teleport only to a marked place not anywhere their wishes, so they had to walk the rest there. And yes, Kishimoto is a human and he has a history of quite some mess-ups behind him already. Databook description nor the manga and all we know about techniques and shit mentions what you think has happened--Elveonora (talk) 17:54, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
Without giving into thr incessant cries of error, because its not, we could all be wrong and the term Body Flicker Technique is being used as a category as opposed to the actual technique. I don't think anyone is dumb enough to be doing a series and to make the mistake of calling one of the most famous techniques and saying oh well it's gone to shit so let me continue to call it that maybe the idiots won't notice and continue to serialise my manga. So I say we ask Seelentau to translate what's said in both instances and if we want to hold off on adding it as a technique I wouldnt br against it.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 18:05, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

The thing is, both body flicker and flying thunder god have a databook entry, the former isn't stated to be a category but a specific technique with workings nothing alike the latter. So "yes, no, maybe I don't know..." is pointless to do here, it's clearly either a contradiction; thus either an error or retcon, or simply scanlators messed up this time--Elveonora (talk) 18:09, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure if BFT is parent, but i think it is related somehow with FTG, theres no doubt in that. It is not an error. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 18:26, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
It wouldn't be the first time that a technique is the same as a category name, eg clone technique(s). The databooks use a whole heap of sub categories. This isn't one of those things we should chalk up to being an error or retcon- really? We seem to love that word a lot nowadays. We just need to find the best way to integrate the information.Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 18:29, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
My opinion is that somehow FTG principles contains is base in BFT, and the way they talk, or it is related, or is parent or is from BFT category because of the fast body moviment. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 18:34, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Sigh, perhaps Kishimoto has had mechanical and/or chemical brain damage from injury or senility caught him early, there's no need to kiss his behind. No matter how hard one tries to justify something false doesn't and won't make it true. The best course of action is to check the kanji, perhaps it's written differently and we may have 2 different body flickers here--Elveonora (talk) 19:13, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe it's the parent in the same way the Tailed Beast Ball is the parent to Rasengan. It doesn't have to work on the same mechanical principle to serve as the inspiration. It could simply be that Minato looked at this basic ability and thought, how do I do this better? Besides that, to say that Body Flicker serves no purpose in this is inaccurate to a degree, Minato himself still has to be capable with high speed movement to make this technique truly effective, or else he's just dropping himself into a position where he's a sitting duck and anyone who has worked out that he moves to where the kunai are could get the drop on him if he wasn't capable of evading once teleported. Kinda like Dojutsu and the Chidori. --Hawkeye2701 (talk) 19:28, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

In the same vain Elveonora, there is no need to go around discrediting the manga, that's what forum and messageboards are for, not Narutopedia. You cannot stand on someone's back and curse at them, it doesn't make any sense. im not saying he doesn't make mistakes but you're always too quick to call Kishimoto an idiot.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 19:42, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'd sooner consider BFT as an inspiration for developing a reverse summon than in the vein of TBB and Rasengan than an actual parent technique. At the very most, it could go in the related jutsu if that's the case. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:08, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

If not a parent then I don't think we should add it as a related either. Trivia maybe, depending on the translations we can get.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 23:20, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
Trivia isn't enough, parent or related should be the options. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 23:23, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

ok well id like to add something here, I was right btw about tobirama and the flying thunder god...and how the seal works. and so I would like to put a little input here, if a certain user doesn't mind shutting up for a minute and stop spotting nonsense. maybe we all misunderstood how the jutsu actually working in the first place, kishi doesn't make mistakes but not nearly as often as others claim. rarely actually...I don't even believe 100% sure that the data books and completely him like the old DBZ ones weren't akira either. Anyways I think the jutsu is derived from the BFT like someone else said, since its being referred to as a BFT there should be no dispute about it. that is what the author said it is, no matter what we have to say its simply what it is, even if it don't make sense, kishimoto said its BFT so it is. that should be all that is needed, now a trivia saying something like, "this jutsu was called a BFT by its users in the 4th war, but why or how the techniques are related" would be good.--J spencer93 (talk) 04:27, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand how can someone try to take notice of what the creator says in his creations, who does not want to follow what Kishimoto decides in his works, one can go to Fanon and create himself what one believes. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 11:33, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
The same goes to you, Dan. You seem to speculate a lot yourself. But that isn't the issue here. Body Flicker is the act of moving one's body at a fast rate of speed. But that's all it is. Raw speed. Flying Thunder God actually teleports, using space-time, the user from one spot to another, sometimes miles and miles away. Even the fastest Body Flicker cannot achieve such a feat. Regardless of what was said by Tobirama, it doesn't change what the technique does, and it certainly doesn't make Body Flicker a parent. At the very least, we could leave a Trivia note that states that Tobirama mentioned in passing that it was faster than his "shunshin" (even though I think he was actually referring to Minato's speed, not the Flying Thunder God; some people just have a habit of taking what they want from the chapter and ignoring everything else that could be a possibility). However, unless anyone here has any cold hard facts that Shunshin is anyway involved in teleportation, then we shouldn't jump the gun by adding such a technique as the parent to this one. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 17:58, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I just read the chapter again. Nowhere in it does he suggest he is referencing the Flying Thunder God. Minato arrives to the battlefield first, but not because of Flying Thunder God — he doesn't even have a tag on the battlefield prior to arriving, so it is impossible for him to have done so. Tobirama and the others arrive in the next chapter, and are visibly shown landing, not teleporting. He was commenting on Minato's raw speed. Not his Flying Thunder God Technique. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 18:04, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

@Fox, that's what I say as well, but some people want to coat things the way it suits them, ignoring facts. Quite certain the first time around, Tobirama was referring to Minato's speed using Body Flicker Technique. This second time, it may be a mistake--Elveonora (talk) 21:35, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Totally agree with you Elve. he was referring to Minato's speed. Not the Flying Thunder God Technique. The second time could be a mistake, a mistranslation, or another misinterpretation, but there is no way, literally, zero that high-speed movement equates to anything space-time related. They're as different as the earth and the moon. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 21:40, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

um ten tails...saying its as different as the earth and the moon is funny...the moon and earth are created by the same rocks from somewhere near 4 billion years ago...so they are pretty close...and anyways I don't think it should be counted as a parent jutsu. or related. just thing you guys act like your the official source of the manga which you aint. kishimoto is, and when he says something it should be taken as official except when their a possibility of mistake. In that instance you should make a note in the trivia and wait for the tankobon to either fix it, or see if he makes a commit somewhere about it.--J spencer93 (talk) 22:44, July 5, 2013 (UTC) oh and I would like to add that I wasn't saying BFT and FTG are the same, I was saying as far as we know from what is in the manga, the author has hinted at some kind of connection, hence the suggested trivia. or else he is retconing the BFT which I would hope not. --Jspencer93 (talk) 06:26, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Oh my God you guys get off it. I've seen some of you run with more off less that what Tobirama has said twice now. He is referring to the FTG technique when he says BFT.The only thing that's left to be decided is whether or not he's referring to the technique itself or simply as a category.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 15:02, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Except he's not referring to it. I read the chapter. If you think he's referring to it, you either don't know how to use context clues, or didn't read the page immediately before it. He was referring to Minato's speed. Flying Thunder God is a teleporation technique, not a high speed movement technique, hence it is not a Shunshin. You go from point A to point B instantly. They are completely different. They're not even a similar concept. How you could even reason that it is a Shunshin is beyond me. If we absolutely have to include it, put it in the trivia, but beyond that, leave it how it is. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 04:41, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

What if Tobirama wasn't referring to the Hirashin and he really did mean that Minato used a BFT with a clone..... so he could have used BFT with the clone, but the FTG to actually get their--Deathmailrock (talk) 19:15, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

I might have missed it, but just in case, do the kanji match? I mean for FTG and for what Tobirama has referred to after Minato cut Obito--Elveonora (talk) 13:39, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

@Deathmailrock, if it is only a BFT why Minato would talk about the FTG marks? And @TTF i am a speculative guy, i admit it, but only when the facts aren't minimally explicit. This is not about what you guys believe, but what the autor states, if he states that is a BFT, our duty is to follow it (At least that is what this wiki does... Right?), logical conclusions should be discussed, thats when i speculate, now there is nothing to discuss, the autor said so, where is the difficulty to do so?. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 14:08, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

It said he used Shunshin with a clone; he didn't use the FTG with a clone, he used it with his real body. Also I read that people said FTG was called BFT 2x? 1 time was what we are talking about now; was the other time when Minato used a fast BFT to save Kakashi when he 1st used chidori or was it when the 2nd was complimenting Minato's BFT saying it was faster than his own? cause I'm pretty sure both times were actually the BFT..... so in the manga, FTG was never actually called BFT..... again, in chapter 637, Tobirama said that he used BFT with a CLONE, not his real body. His REAL body used the FTG--Deathmailrock (talk) 20:07, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

From What We Know Edit

From what we know, Tobirama has not been shown using the FTG markings? Should we list that he apparently doesn't need them, since he hasn't been using them? Senju SymbolKotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 01:11, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Hasn't been seen using them, but since it's basically an integral part of the technique, I'd hold off. I mean we've basically only seen him use the FTG twice, once cutting down Izuna and once to teleport to the battlefield. Until we gather a bit more it would seem to be premature, even by my standards. --Hawkeye2701 (talk) 01:15, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I was just seeking confirmation due to the fact it's in his page. Senju SymbolKotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 01:35, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
When have we seen him using it to get to the battlefield? He used it to kill Izuna, and to take Hiruzen to the Hokage faces in Konoha. He's at least aware of the tags, since he commented about them in the last chapter. I just find it strange that their heads in the Hokage Mountain would be marked. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:47, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
I do think Tobirama uses markings like Minato but in a different manner. He's made reference to marking and the name if the technique would cease to make sense. However we shouldn't make any assumptions on that front so if you see any feel free to remove it.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 01:54, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
I always thought Tobirama didn't use the marks. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 11:45, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

@Omni: He didn't? I thought he did, That was my general impression for how they all got there so fast... Course he did use it to the get to the Hokage monument right enough... Though yeah, Hokage heads marked... I guess it would be useful for anyone who wanted to survey the entire village? --Hawkeye2701 (talk) 13:26, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Why'd anyone think the Hokage heads are marked? They just jumped on top of them, as far as I can see o.ô Seelentau 愛 15:35, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
I guess it's assumed from the fact that they touched the First and Third before moving. I never thought the heads were marked though. The whole set up leaves a lot of holes for us to fill in like how exactly they got to the battlefield. Can you shed any light on the sound fx that's used there though? --Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 15:51, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
No need for that. They're obviously jumping straight to the heads, if Tobirama had brought the other two with him, they'd stand on the same head as him, wouldn't they? Seelentau 愛 15:57, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
That's what I assumed.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 16:03, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
The thing is, we see Minato and Tobirama placing their hands on Hiruzen and Hashirama's shoulders, and then they simply disappear. There are no speed lines indicating movement towards any direction. Minato and Tobirama took them via FTG some distance above the heads, each dropping on their own. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:10, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
You can see them jump, accompanied by the sound word フッ Fu, which shows sudden movement. Seelentau 愛 16:34, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
More like sudden disappearance. We see them coming down, but not them coming up. It they had simply jumped, why would Tobirama and Minato place their hands on the other two's shoulders? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:06, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
They meant it in a sense of "come on, let's jump to the heads and look cool", I think. Furthermore, Kishimoto isn't the guys to make such vague actions. Seelentau 愛 17:24, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Omni, they teleported... but well, anime will make it clearer lol--Elveonora (talk) 21:14, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Well, i believe the marks are exclusive to Minato, he learned fuinjutsu with the Uzumaki and applied on FTG, thats how his FTG is faster than Tobirama's. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 23:35, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
Well, a belief is nothing but a delusion most of the time because there isn't any evidence at all, otherwise it would be a fact. The fuuinjutsu applied to subjects/objects is exactly how the technique works, without it, it doesn't. It's possible Minato upgraded it by adding the "mark people" part aka. level 2, but Tobirama's weapon at least has to have the mark on it for the technique to be usable.--Elveonora (talk) 01:42, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

What if it's like this: When Tobirama invented the Jutsu, it was just a simple, offensive used Shunshin no Jutsu, meaning there was only speed, no space-time stuff or formulas. Minato, being the genius he was, upgraded the former Hiraishin to what we have now. That's why Tobirama only calls it Shunshin no Jutsu, he simply doesn't know better and only learned after his second revival of Minato's use of the technique. I know this sounds far-fetched, but it'd work, huh? Seelentau 愛 11:00, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

@Seel that's where i was trying to get, i believe Tobirama's version doesn't have any mark, if it had, it would have been shown by now. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 17:12, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

@Seel, yes and aliens anal probe people, no disrespect, but it's an excuse rather than a plausible explanation. Why would Tobirama call an ordinary Body Flicker "Flying Thunder God" unlikely just to sound cool ... To our knowledge, Senju Clan back in the day had extensive skill in many jutsu areas, hell Tobirama and Hashirama are power monsters. Minato prodigy or not, making a named technique something completely else is cringe-worthy. That's like x character getting inspired from Naruto's fart into Kiba's face and upgrading that into an S-rank Kinjutsu by increasing its odor and density exceptionally, creating a cloud of death that could annihilate whole of universe in an instant had he wished. Seriously, some people should stick out their heads from the comfort zone of their arses, context is important. Remember, Hashirama ordered Tobirama to prepare for a transport, meaning teleportation indeed is involved.--Elveonora (talk) 20:28, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

I really believe Body Flicker there is being used as a category rather than the actual technique. Kishimoto has done it before and I was trying to find an instance where I remember him making an odd category for a technique (kinda like "infinite explosion ninjutsu"- who else is going to create something like that [don't say Konan >.>]). It's dumb yes that Tobirama simply doesn't just say FTG but that's just how it's been done. I have a feeling the did jump onto the statues but that's a big ass jump even for ninja. But the alternative of them teleporting and (to me it seems like Tobirama and Minato would've had to push Hashirama and Hiruzen over to their statues). Still, the info from what I can see seems accurate. It just seems like he's using BFT as a substitute for the term Jikukan Ninjutsu.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 20:45, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
Then he sure has lost his swag, assuming he had any considering it to be true that that's what he calls it like. I'm quite certain that about half a century ago the term "space-time ninjutsu" did already exist within Narutoverse, unless it became a convention more recently. EDIT: "looks at Cerez's profile picture" hah--Elveonora (talk) 21:28, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
Sometimes I come to this site just to read Elveonora's posts:)...--Karunyan (talk) 03:14, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

To get to the battle field, didn't they all just use Shunshin? it was never stated that Minato's FTG was faster than Tobirama's, just that his shunshin is faster than his..... Also it was stated that Tobirama was a master of time space jutsu, and seeing how this is a time space jutsu, I'd say that he probably did use seals (cause it's also a reference to lightning rods).... I don't think that the FTG jutsu was actually referred to as BFT. They probably just used BFT. Also, when they were on their statued heads, It looked like they jumped down, so they were on the top of the mountain above the heads (chapter 627). It wasn't shown how they got above the mountain in the 1st place (probably Hiraishin), but they didn't teleport on top of the heads, they jumped DOWN onto them.--Deathmailrock (talk) 20:22, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Seals Edit

I believe its safe to say practitioners of the technique, or at least Minato, can either sense or have a rough idea of what is going on around the seals that they place. I say this because 1. Minato is always aware of where his seals are, even when they are scattered everywhere by kunai. When this tactic was used in the war he teleported all over the battle field to enemies near his ftg kunai and attacked them almost simultaneously. 2. He incorporated the FTG into kushina's seal so that he would always know if she was in danger and be able to reach her at a moments notice. 3. We know now that even his space-time barrier requires a seal to mark its destination and whenever he used this technique to warp an attack, namely tailed beast balls, he put them on far away seals. Meaning he knew where he was sending them and what was around the seal because he stated specifically in the Nine tails attack on konoha that he would have to send the blast "somewhere safe". If he didn't know what was around his kunai or wasnt aware of his seals surroundings then how could he have known which kunai was "safe". Mr JCM (talk) 01:41, August 9, 2013 (UTC) Mr JCM

Well, seeing as he was the one to put the seal somewhere, I would think he would know the area around the spot. My biggest problem with what you're saying is that there has been moments where, if he could have known a situation through the seal, he wouldn't have to have been filled in. The biggest one that I think shows this is the seal that was on Obito. Not only was he told what happened (by someone not even on the battlefield, no less) but he didn't just teleport directly to Obito to help the people there, which would have been faster than running all the way there. Joshbl56 10:33, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Combined Hiraishin Edit

Tobirama says "combined Hiraishin" in here. chapter 643 page 7

I dont know its raws but it can be a variation ?--Salamancc (talk) 21:57, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

No links to scanlations. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:51, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
Him+someone else = combined. If that word was used. It's no different than before, you're just there for the ride, not doing anything yourself.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 06:59, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Tobirama pt 2 Edit

I hate having to speculate, but in the recent chapter, 646, Tobirama jumped with Hiruzen, Naruto, and Minato. But landed on a place which he had not tagged. The only reason this caught my attention is because, the landscape was dramatically changed. Ugh, it's just like the Hokage Stone Heads scenario. Am I going crazy or something? Senju SymbolKotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 17:58, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

I think we're supposed to assume he either marked Sasuke, Jūgo or something in that area. The Hokage Monument isn't a mystery: they didn't fly to the battlefield, they used the Body Flicker Technique to get there.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk)18:30, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
Ok, understood. Senju SymbolKotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 18:38, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

References Edit

I may be wrong, but I think references number 18 is incorrect. 20Ca$h12 (talk) 14:20, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

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