Proverb
You know just cause its a western proverb doesnt mean Masashi might not know it, besides what other reason do you have to suspect the similarities of the technique to the proverb's meaning. This is insightful and worth putting in the trivia section AMTNinja (talk) 07:24, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
- Other than blindly assuming that similarities between something mean that something was an inspiration for something is there any actual reference supporting such a comparison. I can hardly believe that "likely" fits something based purely on similarities to something foreign. Especially considering we already have a reference to something not forign. Then there is indirect inspirations. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Jan 3, 2010 @ 07:48 (UTC)
- Kishimoto-sensei once said in an interview that his English wasn't all that good. So tell me, how likely is it that he would base a technique on a proverb from a language he isn't that familiar with, the proverb not even being that popular or well-known in its native language? --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 09:33, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
- And don't forget that we already know that it's likely he based the move name on the Shogi piece (Shogi is Japanese Kishimoto will know more about it; Asuma and Shikamaru's Shogi playing is a key trait about them, so it's highly likely that he had Asuma name the move after a Shogi piece, since he plays Shogi), so that makes a secondary reference even more unlikely. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Jan 3, 2010 @ 09:52 (UTC)
- Ok, but you can't ignore the fact that the proverb makes perfect sense to the technique's effects, whether it was meant to be that way or not, its still an interesting piece of information, but im pretty sure that this is no coincidence AMTNinja (talk) 00:35, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, it doesn't fit all that well if you think about it. "One swallow does not a summer make" refers to how one cannot take one sign of something and use it as proof, because one instance of an event does not make it a trend. You used it incorrectly, however, interpreting it as referring to something unexpected happening or things taking a turn for the worse.
- Also, I'll say it again, the chances of someone like Kishimoto-sensei knowing about a Western proverb that is not even that popular in the languages it is actually used in are close to zero. The chances of him using it as the inspiration for a technique, despite there being plenty of Japanese-related inspirations are in the negative numbers. --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 08:33, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
- Ok, but you can't ignore the fact that the proverb makes perfect sense to the technique's effects, whether it was meant to be that way or not, its still an interesting piece of information, but im pretty sure that this is no coincidence AMTNinja (talk) 00:35, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
- And don't forget that we already know that it's likely he based the move name on the Shogi piece (Shogi is Japanese Kishimoto will know more about it; Asuma and Shikamaru's Shogi playing is a key trait about them, so it's highly likely that he had Asuma name the move after a Shogi piece, since he plays Shogi), so that makes a secondary reference even more unlikely. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Jan 3, 2010 @ 09:52 (UTC)
- Kishimoto-sensei once said in an interview that his English wasn't all that good. So tell me, how likely is it that he would base a technique on a proverb from a language he isn't that familiar with, the proverb not even being that popular or well-known in its native language? --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 09:33, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
Naruto
If I can remember correctly, Naruto has used this technique in both the anime and manga. Can somebody tell me why it has the "Anime-Only" tag on it? --Kracel (talk) 05:00, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
- When did Naruto use this in the manga? --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 09:37, January 24, 2010 (UTC
- Here and Here when Asuma's teaching Naruto how to control Wind chakra. I can remember Naruto doing the same thing in the anime. But I might have missed some anime episodes. --Kracel (talk) 16:08, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
- Wow. That blew my day. Alright then.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 16:17, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
- Here and Here when Asuma's teaching Naruto how to control Wind chakra. I can remember Naruto doing the same thing in the anime. But I might have missed some anime episodes. --Kracel (talk) 16:08, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
Just thinking about it, the main part of this technique is not charging the blade with Chakra (like Naruto did), but to extend his lenght and increase the cutting power. Naruto didn't do anything of that, he just charged the blade with chakra. In the end, in my opinion, Naruto is not a complete user. Even he said: "this is not like Asuma-sensei chakra", because he only charged it.--Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 13:30, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
- Naruto did increase the cutting power. Remember when he fights Sora, Naruto used Hien to cut through Sora's Chakra Enhanced Triple-Bladed Claw with his Kunai.--Zero62422002 (talk) 17:54, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
- Not like Asuma did. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:04, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
- Naruto clearly knows how to use this technique, he's clearly seen using it in both the anime AND in "The Lost Tower".--Xeras
- Like mentioned before, Naruto himself noted that his change wasn't like Asuma's. Clearly not the same way. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:47, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
- Naruto can obviously use it, just not to the extent that Asuma could wield it. The Flying Swallow just means charging a weapon with wind chakra; depending on how well one uses it, the cutting power is increased OR the effective blade length is increased. The entire damn Sora Arc was used to describe wind chakra. --Justentizang (talk) 23:53, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
- There has been a discussion about this already. If something like that yield the "don't add Naruto" annotation to the page, you should probably take it into consideration, and not add Naruto. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:30, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Naruto can obviously use it, just not to the extent that Asuma could wield it. The Flying Swallow just means charging a weapon with wind chakra; depending on how well one uses it, the cutting power is increased OR the effective blade length is increased. The entire damn Sora Arc was used to describe wind chakra. --Justentizang (talk) 23:53, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
- Like mentioned before, Naruto himself noted that his change wasn't like Asuma's. Clearly not the same way. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:47, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
- Naruto clearly knows how to use this technique, he's clearly seen using it in both the anime AND in "The Lost Tower".--Xeras
Element
Does it actually say in the databook or something that wind release is important for this? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 00:42, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Now that I have access to that link, I cannot find this information in the 3rd databook, so I know it is not that. So why does it imply wind element? The uses could have been two different things.
- Anyone at all? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 23:32, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
- I think it's mainly because so far wind is the only element this technique was seen performed with. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:34, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Not to quibble, but I thought that when Asuma was showing it to Naruto he was just putting in wind chakra, but against Hidan and Kisame it was more of the chakra flow itself. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 19:29, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
- I think it's mainly because so far wind is the only element this technique was seen performed with. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:34, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Anyone at all? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 23:32, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
Quotation
Are we going to put all techniques with Databook entries like that, literally quoting the databook? Because if we're not, I don't see any reason to do that. It looks extremely awful.--79.152.10.79 (talk) 14:30, December 16, 2011 (UTC)
Shikamaru
I have a question, Can Shikamaru use this technique? I reviewed episode #82 of Naruto Shippuden and I found an image to prove that he can use it with a chakra blade perfectly. Is it better to add Shikamaru as a user of this technique only in the anime? Shakhmoot (talk) 19:22, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
- I just saw that as him practicing how to use them. The Shadow Imitation Shuriken Technique requires chakra to be put into the blade.--Deva 27 20:08, January 23, 2012 (UTC)