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::That does not mean that it's the Jutsu's name. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 01:44, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
::That does not mean that it's the Jutsu's name. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 01:44, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::We could simply tag it as unnamed then, like we do with Black Lightning. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:53, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::We could simply tag it as unnamed then, like we do with Black Lightning. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:53, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
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== Confused... ==
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I'm still somewhat confused by this part of the "Rinnegan-topic". How exactly did Obito connect statue, beasts and hosts and what's the difference between the chains connecting statues and beasts and Obito and hosts/beasts? I think they're maybe two different kinds of the same technique (with Madara's dragon version we even have three kinds), so maybe we should reword the description... [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:25, December 17, 2013 (UTC)
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A Rinnegan user can somehow for no apparent reason summon Gedo Dude/Shinju whatever and are connected. The user channels Outer Path's power through the receivers embedded in bodies and manifests these chains of the statue. It's all a confusing topic, everything about chains and rods.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:44, December 18, 2013 (UTC)
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So basically the idea would be to divide the article into three paragraphs, right? One for each of the three different uses: Obito's hand being surrounded with chakra as he subdues whatever touches the black rods, Obito recalling the stored tailed beasts' chakra into the statue using chains from its mouth, and Madara capturing them with the statue's dragon-like chains. Several translations also say something about Obito using the chains to pull the Four-Tails into his own body, which isn't noted here, unless that was a mistranslation and he was referring to the statue instead.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 00:56, December 19, 2013 (UTC)
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:Aye. We have Obito's statue-chain combo, Madara's statue-chain combo and Obito's stake-chain combo, all of them serving different purposes, having different looks and working differently. Enough stuff to split the article in three paragraphs, I think. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:29, December 19, 2013 (UTC)
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== Juinjutsu ==
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Am I missing something? Where is a seal used in this technique? I checked chapter 567, but couldn't find anything... [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:58, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
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:B's statement in chapter 598, page 10. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 20:04, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
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::But what if he's referring to the stakes? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 03:50, January 1, 2014 (UTC)
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:::What I understood is that the chains themselves constitute the juinjutsu, since that's what spreads and binds the target once the stakes pierce it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 04:07, January 1, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Yes, he says that these (stakes) have a cursed seal attached which binds the tailed beast power. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:08, January 1, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::So that would mean that the chains are the juinjutsu. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:26, January 1, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Si. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:46, January 1, 2014 (UTC)
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Ok, now I'm confused. Your second comment in this topic gives off the impression you think the juinjutsu would be the stakes, not the chains. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:31, January 2, 2014 (UTC)
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:Yes, because I had not yet read the original at that point. The Japanese text says what I wrote in my third reply. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:45, January 2, 2014 (UTC)
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== Extraction Capabilities ==
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So, we can all agree that there exist some significant differences between when Obito used this technique, and when later used by Madara. More specifically than just appearances, Madara skill with the chains also allows him to ''extract'' the T.Beast, rather than simply bind them, like Obito did. Shouldn't we edit the page to reflect this? [[File: Senju_Symbol.svg|20px]]'''KotoSenju''' ''('''OldUser:'''JaZZBaND)''-[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|Contributions]] 23:40, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
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:I was under the impression that we were waiting on the next chapter. Naruto and Kurama's Tailed Beast Mode isn't exactly kosher, despite the beasts being made from chakra, they all have corporeal bodies and all. So it isn't necessarily that he's so skilled with it that he could achieve this, but more like he ripped the beast's chakra off of him.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:59, January 1, 2014 (UTC)
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::Oh ok, I guess i agree on waiting as well. But, don't forget about Killer Bee and the Hachibi too. There TB is as solid as the others. Im kinda interested to see if the skin is sorta "ripped" off Killer Bee. But hey, we might even get an explanation on it as well. [[File: Senju_Symbol.svg|20px]]'''KotoSenju''' ''('''OldUser:'''JaZZBaND)''-[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|Contributions]] 16:04, January 1, 2014 (UTC)
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== Not appearing in Madara's jutsu list. ==
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Why doesn't this jutsu appear in Madara's jutsu list? Is it an error?--[[User:Rinneganmaster|Rinneganmaster]] ([[User talk:Rinneganmaster|talk]]) 22:48, January 29, 2014 (UTC)
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:YES!!![[User:Iloveinoxxx|Iloveinoxxx]] ([[User talk:Iloveinoxxx|talk]]) 23:17, January 29, 2014 (UTC)
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:If a jutsu that is supposed to appear in a character's infobox isn't there, but the character is listed at the jutsu page, assume error, perform null-edit in the jutsu article and then in the character article. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:36, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

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Spikes Edit

Should we add something on how the chains have now gained the spikes? SusanooUnleashed (talk) 12:46, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

It's always had spikes o.o--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol 12:58, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Is this necessary ? I think people mistaken what was said in the chapter. The binding power of the Rod is Outher Path power, not the chakra chain. --Elveonora (talk) 14:20, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Nagato Edit

I'd just like to clarify something. Tobi meant that the binding power of his Chakra Chains were greater than that of Nagato's Chakra Receivers, which the chains Tobi uses are facilitated by. Skitts (talk) 06:13, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

Confusion ? Edit

I know that the title says these Chakra Chains are used by the Outer Path. However, I feel that it would be useful to add the "if you are looking for" notice that redirects to the Chakra Chains used by Kushina and vice versa on her chakra chains page. --speysider (talk) 19:24, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Just noticed that each page has a section linking to each other's pages under See Also. My bad. :/ --speysider (talk) 19:26, January 18, 2012 (UTC)


(E/C)I assume that's what the "See Also" section is in those two articles are there for. I think it'd be fine if you replaced them with those header redirects. Skitts (talk) 19:27, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

I did it all the same. It's an issue I suppose if someone can't see/find the other article immediately.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol
Thanks :) --speysider (talk) 19:30, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

confused Edit

in the manga chapter son goku said that these chains are the outer path demonic statue's ability meaning gedo mazo not outer path or is mangastream wrong again206.74.210.129 (talk) 10:00, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

They said it stems from the Outer Path and that the statue uses them as well.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol 10:47, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

i dont know where you read it but on mangastream son said it was an ability of the rinnegan's outer path demonic statue.—This unsigned comment was made by 206.74.210.155 (talkcontribs) .

Uhm, the statue is listed as a user. I'm sure you didn't see Tobi using the statue when he was chaining the beast and later chapters showed that they can both use them. It says it stemmed from the Outer Path and the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path used them as well.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol 12:46, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

TRANSLATION Edit

Could somebody traslate, what does son say about these chains and their connection to the outer path? --217.164.174.6 (talk) 15:41, February 13, 2012 (UTC) ( Eastfire)

hack cough—This unsigned comment was made by 206.74.210.148 (talkcontribs) .

what? Edit

how does it binds something to someone else?98.26.240.179 (talk) 03:52, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Wow... I don't even understand what that means :s I think it's talking about the fact that when you attach the chakra receivers to something, the user can manifest the chains on them? But clarification really is needed there.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 10:19, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

so he can only manifest the chains on beings with the stake stabbed into them.98.26.240.179 (talk) 17:40, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Aye or anyone (or thing) touching the receivers.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 17:43, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Sharingan Edit

Why is the Sharingan shown in the eyes of Gobi, when this is a Rinnegan Jutsu? Seelentau 愛 10:18, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Which Chapter? Senju Symbol ¤S@lil ¤ Uchiha Symbol (T@lk)☺ 10:22, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
The Sharingan is there to control/hypnotise the beast. The chains (which were stated to stem from the Outer Path) are used to subdue the beast.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk)10:29, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
567, I think. But I think cerez' explanation is valid. Thanks :) Seelentau 愛 10:45, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
Take it with a grain of salt. Not too clear on what's doing whut.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 11:27, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

One can't also forget the rod in the mix ... so Sharingan, chakra rod and chakra chains all control them "_"--Elveonora (talk) 13:27, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

That would be Sharingan genjutsu (presumably). The Chakra Chains he uses are facilitated by the Chakra receiver embedded in the jinchuriki and by channeling the power of the Outer Path. So yeah, it's just another thing subduing the beast(s). Skitts (talk) 21:32, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Paths Edit

So tobi also uses these chains to control his six paths of pain ? I mean,the user transmits his chakra to the corpses through the rods,and so is able to control them as he wants. Then are the chains just a stronger manifestation of the transmitted chakra of the user ? always misunderstood that...--177.33.246.101 (talk) 23:31, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Name Edit

When I said that Gokū named them Mazō no Kusari, I was just translating what he said. I really don't think this is the Jutsu's name, it's more of a description, like Parasite Clone... but you have that one listed as officially named, too... Seelentau 愛 00:10, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

I only put this as a name because I saw that the Japanese Wikipedia article on Naruto jutsu listed it as such. The only actually unnamed technique I recall them ever adding was Sasuke's Susanno bow. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:26, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
That does not mean that it's the Jutsu's name. Seelentau 愛 01:44, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
We could simply tag it as unnamed then, like we do with Black Lightning. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:53, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Confused... Edit

I'm still somewhat confused by this part of the "Rinnegan-topic". How exactly did Obito connect statue, beasts and hosts and what's the difference between the chains connecting statues and beasts and Obito and hosts/beasts? I think they're maybe two different kinds of the same technique (with Madara's dragon version we even have three kinds), so maybe we should reword the description... Seelentau 愛 20:25, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

A Rinnegan user can somehow for no apparent reason summon Gedo Dude/Shinju whatever and are connected. The user channels Outer Path's power through the receivers embedded in bodies and manifests these chains of the statue. It's all a confusing topic, everything about chains and rods.--Elveonora (talk) 13:44, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

So basically the idea would be to divide the article into three paragraphs, right? One for each of the three different uses: Obito's hand being surrounded with chakra as he subdues whatever touches the black rods, Obito recalling the stored tailed beasts' chakra into the statue using chains from its mouth, and Madara capturing them with the statue's dragon-like chains. Several translations also say something about Obito using the chains to pull the Four-Tails into his own body, which isn't noted here, unless that was a mistranslation and he was referring to the statue instead.--BeyondRed (talk) 00:56, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

Aye. We have Obito's statue-chain combo, Madara's statue-chain combo and Obito's stake-chain combo, all of them serving different purposes, having different looks and working differently. Enough stuff to split the article in three paragraphs, I think. Seelentau 愛 09:29, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

Juinjutsu Edit

Am I missing something? Where is a seal used in this technique? I checked chapter 567, but couldn't find anything... Seelentau 愛 14:58, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

B's statement in chapter 598, page 10. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 20:04, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
But what if he's referring to the stakes? Seelentau 愛 03:50, January 1, 2014 (UTC)
What I understood is that the chains themselves constitute the juinjutsu, since that's what spreads and binds the target once the stakes pierce it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:07, January 1, 2014 (UTC)
Yes, he says that these (stakes) have a cursed seal attached which binds the tailed beast power. Seelentau 愛 14:08, January 1, 2014 (UTC)
So that would mean that the chains are the juinjutsu. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:26, January 1, 2014 (UTC)
Si. Seelentau 愛 19:46, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Ok, now I'm confused. Your second comment in this topic gives off the impression you think the juinjutsu would be the stakes, not the chains. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:31, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, because I had not yet read the original at that point. The Japanese text says what I wrote in my third reply. Seelentau 愛 15:45, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Extraction Capabilities Edit

So, we can all agree that there exist some significant differences between when Obito used this technique, and when later used by Madara. More specifically than just appearances, Madara skill with the chains also allows him to extract the T.Beast, rather than simply bind them, like Obito did. Shouldn't we edit the page to reflect this? Senju SymbolKotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 23:40, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

I was under the impression that we were waiting on the next chapter. Naruto and Kurama's Tailed Beast Mode isn't exactly kosher, despite the beasts being made from chakra, they all have corporeal bodies and all. So it isn't necessarily that he's so skilled with it that he could achieve this, but more like he ripped the beast's chakra off of him.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 15:59, January 1, 2014 (UTC)
Oh ok, I guess i agree on waiting as well. But, don't forget about Killer Bee and the Hachibi too. There TB is as solid as the others. Im kinda interested to see if the skin is sorta "ripped" off Killer Bee. But hey, we might even get an explanation on it as well. Senju SymbolKotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 16:04, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Not appearing in Madara's jutsu list. Edit

Why doesn't this jutsu appear in Madara's jutsu list? Is it an error?--Rinneganmaster (talk) 22:48, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

YES!!!Iloveinoxxx (talk) 23:17, January 29, 2014 (UTC)
If a jutsu that is supposed to appear in a character's infobox isn't there, but the character is listed at the jutsu page, assume error, perform null-edit in the jutsu article and then in the character article. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:36, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

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