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== Hand Signs ==
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If you're going to insist on listing the technique's hand signs, I suggest you get them right. I'm completely certain that the hand signs for the chidori are the same as the raikiri, as shown in all instances in the anime and manga in which the technique is used.
 
:You're ''completely certain'' as in you've been reading it and you ''think'' you know what it was. Or you've been reading and you can cite an exact page or episode where the symbols are shown and can prove what the hand signs are? There's a difference, a dozen people could be ''completely certain'' and all of them be completely wrong. Which is why for things which appear debatable a citation is needed. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User_talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup><nowiki/> <small>[[Forum:Javascript addtions to searchbox|current discussion]]</small> <small>Oct 8, 2007 <sub>@</sub> 15:39 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
 
   
In episode 134 of the anime, when Sasuke is initiating his final chidori against Naruto, you can clearly see him performing the ox, rabbit, monkey hand sequences. Also, in manga volume 13, while initiating his chidori against Gaara, Sasuke can be seen making the rabbit, monkey hand sequences, which most likely followed the ox hand sign. Aside from this evidence, I have never seen sasuke use the rabbit, boar, monkey sequence when using chidori, and I have seen all of the instances in which Chidori was used, unless you can provide me with evidence proving me wrong, like i just did.[[User:24.185.163.37|24.185.163.37]] 18:16, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
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== Origins ==
   
:Ok, thanks for the episode number. I'll add it in a ref tag as a reference to the hand signs. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User_talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup><nowiki/> <small>[[Forum:Javascript addtions to searchbox|current discussion]]</small> <small>Oct 9, 2007 <sub>@</sub> 00:04 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
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It's something that has bothered me for a bit and I kinda just want to have it answered here so it can be referenced: where was it ever said that the Chidori was a result of the failed attempt to make "''Lightning Release: Rasengan?''"--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup></sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:12, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
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:Around the time Naruto was learning nature transformation. Don't recall the exact chapter. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:29, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
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::Lawx I re-read the entire training period and even checked when Kakashi actually first used the Rasengan, can't find a mention of it any where. The closest I came was Kakashi saying in the Gaiden that his technique was like Minato's moniker.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:58, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
   
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http://naruto.wikia.com/index.php?title=Chidori&curid=2006&diff=61770&oldid=61551
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it's chpt 321--{{unsigned|64.31.17.46}}
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:Care to cite a page as well. Because in that chapter Kakashi says nothing that sounds like "''i failed to add lightning release to the Rasengan but made Chidori in the process''".--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:25, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
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:he doesn't say that because that's not what happened. chidori is an alternative to lightning rasengan and not a byproduct. pg 7, 'if that were the case i wouldn't have needed to develop chidori.' pg 9, 'i wasn't able to combine my elementally recomposed lightning chakra with the spatially recomposed chakra of the rasengan.'{{unsigned|64.31.17.46}}
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::Page 7: Kakashi explained spatial re-composition using the Chidori as an example. Page 9/10 he does say that he would have never had needed to create Chidori, however, he does not say that the Chidori is a failed Lightning Release: Rasengan. If you notice he said he wouldn't have had to create the Chidori and if you look at the two techniques, at least for me, there is no similarities in design except for spatial re-composition. It does sound like he might have used the "Lightning Release: Rasengan" as a '''basis''' for the Chidori but not "hey the ''Lightning Release: Rasengan'' failed but I'll call this Chidori.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:30, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
   
Where does it state that Chidori becomes a S-Rank technique when used by Sauske? Any non-A rank Chidori is likely a completely different Jutsu and shouldn't be marked that way.
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::: Apparantly, [[chidori]] is not a failed ''Lightning Release: Rasengan''. It was just that he couldn't do it; So he created chidori.
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{{quote|[[Kakashi]]|When Kakashi learned how to use the Rasengan, he attempted to infuse it with lightning-chakra as it was originally intended to be combined with element chakra, but ultimately failed. However, he used the same theoretical principle to create the Chidori.}}
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:::That sums it up ;)'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 13:42, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
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:::: Exactly, he took elements from it and engineered the Chidori, in a similar manner to Minato who thought he was b/a enough to use the Tailed Beast Ball.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:48, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
   
As for the rest of the text. I thought that discussion was already resolved. Part of that is mentioning information about other variants of Chidori that don't belong on this page. Other than that, it's completely unnecessary, in fact it makes the article look unprofessional with how poorly written it is. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User_talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup><nowiki/> <small>[[Forum:Javascript addtions to searchbox|current discussion]]</small> <small>Nov 14, 2008 <sub>@</sub> 06:49 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
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== Habataku Chidori ==
   
:It doesn't jump a rank. Malkhawam is simply trying to add what he/she thinks its level of power is. And yes you are correct, but he wants to add the game techniques Chidori: Thunder and Chidori: Thunderclap to this page because he does not believe they appeared in the Narutimate Accel 2. I actually blocked him yesterday, but felt guilty about it because I was already stressing out yesterday.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] 13:26, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
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Where does that term come from? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 21:09, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
   
Ok I won't state that it is S-rank I swear, but at least can I write without stating the other moves information, but I will make it simpler, and I swear it isn't game information. I swear that I have the games Naruto accel 1, and 2 plus I have ultimate ninja 2, and won my cousin's Ultimate Ninja 3. So please can you let me do this and stop the protecting thing? Just answer These questions as fast as you both can. [[Malkhawam|Malkhawam]] HM 14:59, 14 November 2008 (UTC).
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I think it was given that name in Ultimate Ninja 3. I did not know of it being named in the Anime though.--[[User:Yomiko-chan|Yomiko-chan]] ([[User talk:Yomiko-chan|talk]]) 21:21, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
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:Just don't add It In the article If your not sure, try searching the term and trying to find out If It's been mentioned In the Anime but I don't think It has--<span style="color:CornflowerBlue;">*J*E*A*N*</span><span style="color:Blue;">*M*A*R*C*</span><span style="color:Navy;">*D*A*I*C*H*O*U*</span><span style="color:DarkMagenta;">*L*O*V*E*S*</span><span style="color:Indigo;">*N*A*R*U*T*O*</span> 21:43, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
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::It's not the only name for Cursed Seal Chidori, but I think it was the first. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:38, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
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:::So... where does it come from? I don't play the Naruto games, was it named there? Is there any proof or source? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 22:43, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
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::::I'm not 100% sure, but I think that it was used in passing somewhere in the Second Databook, not as a part of its own section, but in a text about the plot or something. I recall ShounenSuki using the term. Either that or in the artbook where that scene was colored. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:39, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
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:::::Couldn't find anything :/ [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 08:23, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
   
:And I can tell you, that a Chidori can't really zig-zag or whatever, it can be done in the air, but as long as the user is going in one straight direction, and it is not strong enough to cause thunder storms.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] 15:34, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
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Kinda offtopic, but the article states that it's black, should be noted that it was colored as purple in manga. Actually, it's not even it's own technique, just Chidori done with curse mark level 2 activated. Since manga pages usually aren't colored and anime interpretations aren't firsthand and trustworthy, technically, each Chidori and every lightning related technique that Sasuke did with the seal activated was purple, or should be by logic. I'm really interested about the source too Omni. This isn't any different than Naruto in Kyubi cloak doing Rasengan, it doesn't become anything different. Sounds like vermilion rasengan case to me, fanmade name or from a videogame--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:10, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
   
First If the user puts alot of thrust and chakra into the Chidori it could be possible for it to generate a medium size lightning storm at least. The zig-zag thing that I said was wrong so you were right, but I swear that in naruto accel 2 and other games when sasuke goes up in the air he could go straight if the enemys were close to each other, but if they were seperated he would do it in more than one direction (even in the way of Chidori: Thunderclap and Raku). I swear. [[Malkhawam|Malkhawam]] HM 15:46, 14 November 2008 (UTC).
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:To answer all the questions because it requires someone who has been around forever:
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:*The exact origins of Flapping Chidori is unknown, but what is known it existed way way back when this place was a pit stain on the internet and Wikipedia was the primary source of Naruto information. ''Where'' it came from, I have no idea, but our previous translator ShounenSuki did use it so I can only assume it's legit ''somewhere''. That being said, Flapping Chidori did come before any official name any game provided for it, so /shrug.
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:*Now that being said, the "black" lightining was based purely on the imagery it had when first used. Compared to every Chidori previously and after, which was just white lines around the hand, Flapping Chidori had the noticeable black lightning, so that was a thing.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:19, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
   
If the user puts alot of power into the Chidori, all you get is a big Chidori in the guys hand. And you then just proved my point. IN THE GAMES. The article is not the games. Anime/Manga canon > Games. In the games for gameplay and simply cinematic reasons, they make the Chidori do all sorts of things, but in Canon, if Sasuke where to use the Chidori he could only gone ONE way. If there were two enemies and they were seperated, in CANON he could only hit one of them with the Chidori before having to charge a second one.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] 15:51, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
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Black in anime, purple on chapter/volume cover ;D I remember people listing Sasuke as a user of "black lightning" due to this ._. talk about logic, and lol, since we have no source, there's a chance it's false altogether. And damn, you must be pretty old Ultimate--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:29, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
   
It's true that they will get a bigger Chidori, but I was wrong about the lightning storm, but it would produce some lightning even though it is not a lightning storm. When I ment Sasuke does Chidori in many directions I meant he charges it very fast and he could do that just like how the new shippuden episode came out and Kakashi charged the Lightning Blade extremely fast, and because of Sasuke amazing speed he now has he would strike the Chidori very fast. So what do you say. [[Malkhawam|Malkhawam]] HM 16:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC).
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::Been around since 2007. If you count the Wikipedia days, a year or so longer.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:22, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
   
The Ultimate 3 is right. THAT'S JUST FOR THE GAMES. I've seen two instances in which the information you put out is just from a game! Come on! If everyone put out information only seen in the game. Then Naruto Wiki would all be messed up. The thing is the game throws real Naruto stuff out the window to make it playable! If it was like that Anko could perform her "Snake Suicide Techinque" on any of her enimies all the time! So please stop putting information seen just in the game. It seems like a waaste of time[[User:Haku711|Haku711]] 14:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
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Googling 羽撃く千鳥 doesn't seem to bring up any results from databooks, only videogames--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:03, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
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:In case you haven't found it yet, ''Habataku Chidori'' originated from Sasuke's profile in the 2nd Databook, a side box in which it speaks of this ''"blade"'' he was given for the purpose of protecting those close to him, being used to sever his bonds with them instead; the name is presented as the title... Also, Sasuke has never used this particular Chidori since his fight with Naruto at the Valley of the End. The colored depictions of Sasuke's Chidori in the Lv2 state were just regular ol' Chidori. [[User Talk:SaiST|'''SaiST''']] [[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px]] 11:32, June 29, 2013 (UTC)
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::We should add the name "Habataku Chidori" to the article. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 12:04, June 29, 2013 (UTC)
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:::It's already been mentioned under the [[Chidori#Cursed Seal of Heaven's Influence|Ten no Juuin's influence]], which I believe is sufficient. [[User Talk:SaiST|'''SaiST''']] [[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px]] 12:13, June 29, 2013 (UTC)
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::::Saw it now. An article wouldn't be bad either, but i believe it is enough. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 12:38, June 29, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Naruto Shippuden Narutimate Accel 2 Chidori Real ==
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== Six Paths ==
   
I say that [[Chidori: Ease]] and [[Chidori: Thunderclap]] and [[Chidori: Thunder]] should be deleted. For Chidori: Thunderclap and Raku are just the directions of a Chidori if done like that, while if we see the variations from the shows one transforms to a current the other etc..... ( the three moves that I mentioned above are not variations!!!)
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So, any suggestions on how to rephrase the title to reflect it's new use? ''"Influence of Senjutsu"'', perhaps? —「[[User Talk:SaiST|'''SaiST''']]」<sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px|link=Special:Contributions/SaiST]]</sup> 09:40, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
While Chidori: Thunder is a big Chidori. So please everyone answer. Even you Dantman, Jacce, and TheUltimate3. [[Malkhawam|Malkhawam]] HM 13:54, 19 November 2008 (UTC).
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:I wouldn't say senjutsu. Madara said that senjutsu and the Rinnegan existed both in him when comparing himself to Naruto, so that means that whatever Sasuke has, it's not senjutsu. I'd just call it "Six Paths influence" or something like that for now. A good functional difference would be good as well. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:32, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
:Personally, I don't think that the jutsus mention above contribute that mutch to this wiki. They are just variations of Chidori anyway. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 14:07, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
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::Actually Sasuke has Senjutsu, hence the topic on his talkpage. He wouldn't be able to harm Madara otherwise--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:47, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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::Actually, please don't go to other talk pages and state your point of view as fact when the main discussion isn't even close to being resolved. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:50, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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:::^ What Seel said. Hard. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:53, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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Erm, I assumed that Sasuke's statement of also having ''"Rikudō's power"'' referred to his Senjutsu. The fact that he has only ever used this variant of Chidori once before while using a form of Senjutsu in Orochimaru's Juuinka may also suggest that to be the case... But, whatever, I'll let you guys box it out on Sasuke's Talk Page. :P —「[[User Talk:SaiST|'''SaiST''']]」<sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px|link=Special:Contributions/SaiST]]</sup> 20:48, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Glad you agree with me. Omni's explanation of Sasuke attacking and being capable to harm Madara because of plot doesn't work because the plot itself has established only Senjutsu and Taijutsu work--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:52, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Sasuke thinks to himself that using Hagoromo's chakra makes their attacks work against Madara, and tells Naruto to do the same. Madara made the point of saying that each of them had one power, and Sasuke's was the Rinnegan, not senjutsu. It doesn't get clearer than that. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:56, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
I'm saying they are not even variations. [[Malkhawam|Malkhawam]] HM 14:12, 19 November 2008 (UTC).
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So you suppose the Sage made an effort to split his chakra into senjutsu and non-senjutsu different for each boy or something.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:07, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:Do you see Naruto with a Rinnegan? Going by the "Rinnegan happen when Hagoromo's chakra, as in Indra and Asura's chakra exist together" we learned, if he had pure Hagoromo chakra, he'd have Rinnegan. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:44, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
:They are game techniques. Nothing more. Being game techniques they do really serve no purpose here but to get rid of them we would have to rethink all the other game techs. Thats my opinion. Well I have more but really...they are worth it.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] 14:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
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== Flapping Chidori ==
::ADDITION: If you want to get rid of the game articles fine, but we are not going to add that information here. The Chidori can only go one straight line, nor have I seen use it, discharge it and start a new one again, nor have I seen him use his Mangekyo to super charge his Chidori.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] 14:28, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 
   
Game jutsu are game jutsu, I kinda like keeping articles about game jutsu long as we keep them separate from the canon jutsu. But besides that... they only differ a bit from the original jutsu? So? There are plenty of jutsu all around the wiki that only differ slightly from another jutsu they are based on, and they are given official names as well. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User_talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup><nowiki/> <small>[[Forum:Javascript addtions to searchbox|current discussion]]</small> <small>Nov 19, 2008 <sub>@</sub> 17:32 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
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The Chidori Sasuke used in chapter 674 looks like the Flapping Chidori from the Valley of The End. It's speculation to say that they're the same but I'm curious as to what colored manga would depict the Flapping Chidori from Volume 26. I only ask because I doubt it's purple like the colored pages that we have now because that unique Chidori art has only been used in two chapters. Since the digital version of the manga is out for it, I think it be wise if someone got it.--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 13:41, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:Can you rephrase that? I don't get what exactly you want--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:29, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::I'm basically asking can someone confirm what the manga colors are for what this wiki calls "Cursed Seal of Heaven's Influence" Chidori from chapter 232, volume 26. In the manga, the artwork for that Chidroi and the Chidori used in chapter 674 are similar if not the same.
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::From what has been released, the picture this wiki uses to depict the Cursed Seal of Heaven's influence on Chidori may not even be from the Cursed Seal.--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 14:52, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::[[The_Ultimate_Art!!_%28volume%29|here]] and [[The_Target_is%E2%80%A6!!|here]] it's purple. After Sasuke lost Curse Mark, it's [[Everyone_of_Team_Seven!!_%28volume%29|white]] like Kakashi's--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:00, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::: I knew you would bring those up, but even in the chapters that depict them with those colors, they were not once drawn like the Chidori from Chapter 232 and 674. To give a better understanding Chidori is normally drawn with just a outline of it's shape off the hand. Those pictures you just linked are drawn like that and thus that's what those colors are for those variants. The Chidori from chapter 232 and 674 are drawn like [http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140421061516/naruto/images/b/b6/Rikudo_no_Jutsu_Chidori.PNG|like this]
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:::: I apologize for not clearly explaining myself earlier.--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 15:18, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
Unlike other game jutsu's these are the same original Chidori and they are not variants (Chidori transformed to a current is called Chidori Current). So please could you delete them.
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Looking at the manga pictures (not the volume covers) what he used in 674 is the same as what he used in 232. And also looks like Darui's black lightning. Can someone get the color chapters for 232 so we can double check? For all we know, Kishi might've retconned the color. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 15:39, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
Dantman can you please take off the protection. {{unsigned|Malkhawam|10:36, November 19, 2008}}
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@Naruto, I see. In most instances, Chidori is just energy around the whole hand. But in some cases, it was drawn as streaks of lightning coming from the palm. Well, dunno why. Been called just Chidori in all instances tho--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:44, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
:It won't get off protection cause all that will do is end up with you being blocked. At the moment this is the best solution, though I am still against the idea of getting rid of Chidori: Thunderclap and Chidori: Thunder simply because they are slight variations of Chidori, and Game Techs. {{unsigned|TheUltimate3|12:13, November 19, 2008}}
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@MangekyoSasuke It's speculative to say it's Black Lighting, if anything the reason Sasuke used "that" Chidori could be Indra's Chakra reincarnation thing still has a bit of Asura's Chakra in it. Indra's chakra could have used what little it had of that chakra to overpower Naruto's Rasengan with Kurama's influence because it didn't want to lose to Asura's Reincarnation again. Though that's a theory, not fact.
   
Malkhawam, multiple users comment against the addition to the page you want to make. I wouldn't be doing my job as administrator properly if I sided with you and unprotected the page for that edit. And just cause you said it doesn't mean anything. Just a statement alone without anything to back it up doesn't mean a thing. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User_talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup><nowiki/> <small>[[Forum:Javascript addtions to searchbox|current discussion]]</small> <small>Nov 19, 2008 <sub>@</sub> 20:04 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
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@Elveonora True it's always been called Chidori, maybe Sasuke has some respect for Chidori and not give it 10 or so variant name changes. The difference in it's appearance though is important because from what Sasuke said in Chapter 674, that Chidori used the Six Path's chakra. Basically I think the article needs to add a Six Path's Influence section and change the picture of Cursed Seal of Heaven's Influence to the purple colored one.--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 15:57, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
Ok. Then tell me if I could put these two informations: 1. He could use Chidori in multi-directions. 2. If the user could put more Chakra than usual then it would produce a few lightnings. Write what you think Dantman. [[Malkhawam|Malkhawam]] HM 03:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC).
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Didn't sasuke say that he added sage chakra into that chidori in the newest chapter? [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 15:59, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
:I can do it for ya. Because Sasuke has shown that he can't use a Chidori in multiple directions, nor has putting alot of chakra into it shown to create lightning bolts, I would say nowhere.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] 04:09, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 
   
Ok then. When I say multi-directions I mean that he could pich the direction wants (like being in the air and going the direction up). The lightning bolts are wrong, but it is possible for sasuke to put more chakra for the chidori (just like kakashi). So dantman do you got an answer. [[Malkhawam|Malkhawam]] HM 04:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC).
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@Narufox, Sasuke has the same chakra color as Indra. Six Path's chakra is Senjutsu chakra, it's no different from Flapping Chidori which was Curse Mark Senjutsu chakra. Why do you assume the Chidori in chapter 674 is different color than purple?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:07, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
:Your version of going one direction (I.E. In the air) is already established. Kinda goes with the whole "I can only go one direction". And it is already established that more chakra can be put into the Chidori. It does not however do anything above making it more deadly than it already is. (And Kakashi isn't so much adding more chakra to his Lightning Blade, he is simply compressing it into a much finer well blade)--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] 04:21, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
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@Narutofox, I'm aware its speculative, thats why I'm asking for color chapters for confirmation. If you haven't heard, Digital full color chapters have been released in Japan. Look in the forums. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 16:10, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
Where is this mentioned and it would be more deadlier as you said (Big Chidori). So tell me where is this mentioned. [[Malkhawam|Malkhawam]] HM 04:26, 20 November 2008 (UTC).
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@Elevonora Because like one user said on this site "chakra is screwy". I want to have confirmation of what that Chidori in chapter 232 looks like. We can confirm it thanks to the digital version that has the whole thing colored being out. Also Orochimaru's Senjutsu Chakra is different from whatever the hell the Six Path's chakra is. Therefore it could very well have a different color, plus the unique drawing style the used in chapter 674 and 232 makes me curious.
   
Dantman aren't you going to answer this. If we solve this war fast could you take off the protection? [[Malkhawam|Malkhawam]] HM 05:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC).
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@MangekyoSasuke I agree with you, we need confirmation for chapter 232. I also did notice digital colored volumes and that's why I asked if someone could buy it. That way we can see if the anime didn't mess it up like they did so many other things and possibly help us imagine what this new Chidori looks like in color.
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Also I would like to add that the unique drawing style was used for Chidori Sharp Spear towards the end of chapter 674.--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 16:21, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
Dantman aren't you going to take off the protection. TheUltimate3 look at what I said about the Big Chidori and stuff. [[Malkhawam|Malkhawam]] HM 13:56, 20 November 2008 (UTC).
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What Sasuke said is that attacks containing the Sage's chakra (Hagoromo's chakra) work on Madara. What people seem to be confusing about senjutsu is what it actually does. Senjutsu is the only thing that works against TSB and derived weapons. Even when Naruto hit Obito with a senjutsu attack, he healed right away. Guy obviously doesn't have senjutsu, yet he did a number on Madara. Senjutsu isn't the only thing capable of injuring Shinju's jinchuriki. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:02, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:Except the very canon states that the only things that work against the Shinju's '''jinchuuriki''' (not just the balls) are Senjutsu and Taijutsu.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:05, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::Double-post: chapter 667 to be exact--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:16, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
:Boy(I assume boy) lets be honest here, at this point I don't give a <expletive not used, but would have been> what you say anymore. All you have been doing so far was running yourself around in circles. The protection will not be dropped, if you don't know what will happen if you pump more chakra into a move then you are beyond help, and dammit Game Physics < Canon Physics. NON of the Naruto games re exactly like the show. NONE OF THEM. THEY ARE GAMES. DIFFERENT FRIGGIN RULES APPLY. For the love of whatever deity you believe in man think!--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] 14:08, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
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Cursed Seal = Senjutsu. Cursed Seal enhanced chidori is the same as Senjutsu Chidori.--[[User:Salamancc|Salamancc]] ([[User talk:Salamancc|talk]]) 19:23, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:Yes. Thanks for letting us know :P The current argument is if the Chidori done in latest chapter with appearance identical to Curse Mark Chidori is Senjutsu--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:28, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::@Salmamancc I have to disagree because if so why wasn't Chidori always depicted like it was in chapter 232 and 674 when using his Cursed Seal. We already know the Cursed Seal influences his Chidori and makes it purple, and in the manga is drawn just as a normal looking Chidori. The Chidori I've been mentioning has been drawn differently the times it has shown up and was even colored uniquely in the anime.
   
This information is not from the game. 1. He can use Chidori in any directions (even in the air because of his speed) and curve in the air to switch the direction and do it in another direction. (that he will go in only one direction but he could chose which direction) and 2. The user could put more Chakra for the Chidori if he wants. So tell me about this (they mentioned in the anime that the user is able to put more Chakra into the Chidori). So answer this. [[Malkhawam|Malkhawam]] HM 14:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC).
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I want to see how Kishi colored it to see if the anime didn't mess it up or what not. Though this brings up another point, what we thought was the Cursed Seal influencing Chidori in chapter 232 may not have been that. If it was why wasn't it continually depicted like that. Now we have Sasuke putting the Six Path's chakra into his Chidori and guess what we got, the anime colored black and white Chidori.--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 19:39, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:So I get it now that you suspect that "flapping" Chidori wasn't just that, Senjutsu Chidori because Senjutsu Chidori was drawn small like ordinary Chidori in every other instance that Sasuke used it while in Curse Mark form and to prove as such, you believe the flapping Chidori not to be purple but another color?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:49, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::YES XD that's what I believe at least, if so then that could possibly mean that the Cursed Seal didn't influence it. Even if it's the same color as a regular Curse Seal Chidori it still brings up my previous point on why it wasn't depicted like that in future uses when using his Curse Seal. Now that the "Flapping" Chidori art style is being used now and Sasuke doesn't have his Curse Seal could possibly mean, and I repeat, that the Cursed Seal of Heaven may not have influenced the "Flapping" Chidori--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 20:00, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Even tho the differing appearance is indeed curious, I think it can be explained by something as simple as Sasuke having put much more chakra into the Chidori in those two instances than during ordinary uses. Kinda akin to "last resort/most concentrated chidori"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:07, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::That could be true, but it wouldn't be a last resort anymore since he is using it freely. Though didn't making his Chidori as strong and concentrated as he could cause his skin to peel off. The "Flapping" Chidori cause his arm to spasm, cause intense pain, and made the veins in his arm pop out in Part 1. The article suggests that "Flapping" Chidori is influenced just by the Cursed Seal which might not be true according to chapter 674. We know that the Cursed Seal influences Sasuke's and changed it to a purple color, so wouldn't that mean the color would be in "Flapping" Chidori. That's why I want to see the chapter 233, I think I brought it up as 232 earlier my bad, in color. --[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 20:27, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::232 is right. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 20:32, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Thanks I had the page leading to chapter 233 open so that's why I added it, my bad but I won't add the talk page with trivial things. I want to see chapter 232 in color to see if "Flapping" Chidori to see if the tell tale signs of the Curse Seal influencing it is there.--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 20:44, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
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=="Rinnegan Influence" for Chidori Sharp Spear?==
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Considering that this wikia added a "Rinnegan Influence" section for this page, wouldn't it be reasonable to do the same for the Chidori Sharp Spear page? Cause I'm pretty sure a normal (or in this case, ninjutsu-based) Chidori Sharp Spear couldn't bisect through Madara like that toward the end of Chapter 674. [[User:WindStar7125|WindStar7125]] ([[User talk:WindStar7125|talk]]) 22:44, April 28, 2014 (UTC) WindStar7125
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:Speaking of that section, is it really accurate to label it as "Rinnegan Influence"? Sasuke didn't just get the Rinnegan, he got some of Hagoromo's powers. There's nothing to suggest the Rinnegan would make lighting black.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 07:12, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
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::Some people around are progressively getting more and more mentally disabled. There's like 0 evidence the Rinnegan has anything with the power and visual of Sasuke's Chidori. Not to mention the very canon a few chapters back stated that only Senjutsu chakra and physical damage work against the TTs' jinchuuriki, meaning it's a Senjutsu Chidori--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:24, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
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:::That's what I was thinking. In chapter 232 the "Flapping Chidori" appeared identical to the Chidori used in the last chapter. It seems to me that the two sections should be merged into a "Senjutsu Influence".--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 14:01, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
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::Elveonora, stop insulting people you disagree with. You were warned about it last time. And Sasuke explicitly was said NOT to get Senjutsu by Madara himself: he only got the Rinnegan. Naruto got the Senjutsu from Hagoromo, while Sasuke got the Rinnegan, plain and simple. --[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 18:18, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
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: Not to mention the 'black Chidori' wasn't even standard for Sasuke in Cursed Seal Level 2. Hell when he used it against Deidara, Itachi, and Orochimaru, his Chidori was ''white'' not black. Its possible that its not only the Rinnegan, but Indira's chakra turning it black.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 18:28, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
No he can't!! Damit man can't you se that ur hurting the lives of everyone around here by saying he can when he cant! even he's not that powerful! Got that! stop putting stuff in here that's from games or from stuff that you don't know for certain. If you are so sure about it, show me some proof! In the meanwhile I say we vote on wheter or not sasuke can change the direction of his target (curve/zig-zag I really don't give a 51-117). I vote he can't.
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I don't think such a section is necessary for Chidori Sharp Spear. We barely catch a glimpse of the technique, and if the effects are listed in the main technique article, it stands to reason that they apply to the derived techniques. At most, a sentence mentioning what it could do with the enhancement is enough. Elveonora, stop insulting people on your own, for your own sake. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:59, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
This is only between me and Dantman and TheUltimate3. So do you got an answer TheUltimate3. [[Malkhawam|Malkhawam]] HM 14:52, 20 November 2008 (UTC).
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Why do we have to assume that the black Chidori is a result of senjutsu or Rinnegan influence? Sasuke said attacks using Hagoromo's chakra can harm Madara and than said he has Six Paths power too. Can we not just go the route of least speculation and say that the black Chidori uses Hagoromo's chakra until it is further explained?--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 21:20, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
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:Isn't Hagoromo's chakra Senjutsu tho? Naruto woke up with new Sage Mode after having gotten Hagoromo's chakra.
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@SSM, @Omni, just because Madara said Sasuke got the Rinnegan doesn't mean he didn't get anything besides that. What kind of logic is that? Madara mentioned what he could see with his own eye, he doesn't know the details of their powers. He identified the most prominent feature of each - a new eye in Sasuke and a cloak on Naruto. What you basically do is trying to dodge the canon with excuses just because of personal bias. '''The fact''' is, that the canon said: "only senjutsu or physical attacks work on the tts' jinchuuriki" I'm not making that shi* up, go back and see for yourself--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:36, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
:By the God of Christianity, Judaism and Islam....
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OK Omni. I'll add that sentence in if it already hasn't been. And regarding this Hagoromo's chakra is senjutsu thing... I'll reiterate my stance -- let's not make assumptions. What we have seen in the manga is that Senjutsu, Taijutsu, Hagoromo's chakra (before he sealed the Ten-Tails within himself), and his brother's can damage the Shinju. Basically, almost anything but ninjutsu. Once again, when we saw Sasuke's Rinnegan, a lot of us assumed that Kaguya and the Shinju had the Rinnegan, but it wasn't explicitly stated so. What we know is that Sasuke infused Hagoromo's chakra with his Chidori to damage Madara. Unless it is '''''explicitly stated''''' that Sasuke used senjutsu, we should keep Hagoromo's chakra and senjutsu chakra separate. Just because it may ''seem'' that Sasuke has senjutsu chakra due to having Hagoromo's, doesn't mean he ''does''. Just because it may seem that Kaguya and the Shinju have the Rinnegan due to their eyes looking exactly like Sasuke's newly acquired one, doesn't mean they have the eye itself (like I said earlier, unless explicitly stated or shown), so let's just keep Hagoromo's chakra separate from senjutsu for now. Remember, his brother was also able to damage the Ten-Tails, but there was no mention of him being a Sage or possessing Senjutsu chakra. There are other ways to damage the Ten-Tails and its jinchuriki, and there may be more that we do not know of, and have yet to find out. Let's just go with what the manga displays and not make assumptions. They're what cause these debates and these "uproars." Besides, I don't think anyone is going to convince the sysops on this wiki that Sasuke has senjutsu chakra now. [[User:WindStar7125|WindStar7125]] ([[User talk:WindStar7125|talk]]) 23:01, April 29, 2014 (UTC) WindStar7125
*1) Talk Pages are open conversation unless they are in User Talk Pages: So anyone can chime in. Though I am going to gut out the bulk of Haku's addition as it seems to be well. Worth nothing either.
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:Hurting the shinju isn't the same as hurting its jinchuriki. Ninjutsu works on it. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 03:00, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
*2) He can't change his direction in the middle of the attack. The speed of the attack plus the tunnel vision the attack forces on the user literally forces you to go one way. Thats why without a Sharingan, the damn thing can miss, a lot.
 
*3)"The user could put more Chakra for the Chidori if he wants. So tell me about this (they mentioned in the anime that the user is able to put more Chakra into the Chidori). So answer this."
 
**What the flipping? What are you even asking?
 
*4) What is this answer you keep telling me I have to answer? You don't actually ask a question. Ever. And if to do, I'm sorry and I'm not sure if it is your first language but your English is Terribad. I mean look at #3 and you'll see what I'm talking about.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] 15:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 
   
First I did not mean in the middle of the attack when he is about to finish (after doing the straight line) he would move his hand to a direction. Got it. And for the adding Chakra part didn't you hear them say it once in the show. [[Malkhawam|Malkhawam]] HM 15:53, 20 November 2008 (UTC).
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I just '''don't understand''' what is there even left to be argued about, since the very canon said, quoting: "only senjutsu and physical attacks work on the Ten-Tails' jinchuuriki" basically dodging Sasuke having Senjutsu is ignoring the canon--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:21, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:The problem with your entire argument is that you're expanding on what senjutsu can do. What senjutsu can do is not be deleted by TSB. If ninjutsu was completely and utterly useless against them, having no effect at all, Tobirama and Minato would not have been able to use their combo Flying Thunder God to switch Obito and Minato's positions so Naruto and Sasuke could hit them. Madara was very clear in saying that each of them got one part of Hagoromo's power, and that Naruto was the one who got the senjutsu. Saying that Sasuke has senjutsu ignores ''that''. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:17, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::Madara doesn't know any Hagoromo chitchat took place, he is even clueless about Sasuke being an Indra incarnate too. Anyway, it's not my job to lecture you, I'm going to just sit and wait for the manga to tell you the obvious--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:29, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Sasuke himself said that attacks that have Hagoromo's chakra work. He didn't say senjutsu, he didn't say natural energy, he said Hagoromo's chakra. For what you're saying to work, either there is another type of senjutsu chakra that somehow isn't recognised as a type of senjutsu chakra, having senjutsu chakra and using senjutsu are no longer the same thing, or all the available translations managed to get a crucial part of the chapter wrong the exact same way. Until either of those can be proved, you're selectively ignoring part of the manga as you see fit, because Sasuke having senjutsu directly contradicts what we were told just moments ago in the storyline. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:09, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Not really, Madara doesn't know everything they've got. He didn't mention that Naruto was taught a technique by Hagoromo, so by your logic, Naruto wasn't taught anything because omniscient Madara didn't say so.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:18, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
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For the record: Madara claimed that ''"Rikudou('s?) Senjutsu"'' blossomed within Naruto, and Sasuke said that he also possessed Rikudou's ''"power"'', correct? If Sasuke were to be using a form of Senjutsu, it doesn't necessarily mean he's using the same as what Naruto inherited: ''"Rikudou('s?) Senjutsu"''... I surmise that is what leads to the black, malleable chakra 'n such, which Sasuke clearly lacks. —「[[User Talk:SaiST|'''SaiST''']]」<sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px|link=Special:Contributions/SaiST]]</sup> 23:30, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
:You are officially running around in circles now. None of your points match up with anything you've said previously, nor do they make any sense anymore. Your entire arguement up til now was that Sasuke can change the direction of his Chidori, but now its he can attack anything within arms length with the Chidori. Then you tell me that the Anime did say you can put more chakra into the Chidori, but then you want me to answer some question which you just answered.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] 15:59, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
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@Omni, here's why your argument doesn't work. When Sasuke first saw the rinbo, he attempted to attack it with he sword. Didn't work. But he noticed that Naruto's '''Senjutsu''' Chakra did cause harm to it. When he formulates his plan to attack, he states that he has the sage's chakra. If he wasn't referring to senjutsu in this instance, how could he possibly know that his attack would work? His next attack is his first time attacking Madara. There was no previous attack that confirmed that something that's only the "Sage's Chakra" would work against Madara's shadow. Sasuke's throwing of the sword proved that he knew nothing of the technique beforehand, therefore the only knowledge Sasuke had of an attack working is Naruto's usage of Senjutsu chakra. So the '''only''' thing Sasuke could be referring to when he says "Sage's Chakra" is senjutsu chakra. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 01:30, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
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:The fact remains that we don't know what changed it to black in this instance. While many of us (myself included) believe that it is caused by Senjutsu Chakra or something related, it has yet to be confirmed. The page should reflect this. As it stands now the page is confidently stating that the black Chidori is a result of the Rinnegan influence, an assumption with no evidence at this point in time. The least we should do is rename the section. In my opinion we should merge it with the Curse Mark section, rename it to black Chidori, and have one paragraph dedicated to its use in Part I and another paragraph dedicated to its more recent appearance. If others feel differently that's fine, but we shouldn't be labelling it as a result of Sasuke's Rinnegan if we don't know it to be true.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 04:50, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
   
Sorry, everyone knows first that the user could give more chakra for the chidori (like kakashi). While I meant for that it could be done multi-directions is that he could just recharge it in the air but without the same stance (just seeing him switching the direction, but if you look carefully you could see him make the chidori bigger (it gets smaller after hitting the opponent and after he used it in one straight line). So if you understand right down. [[Malkhawam|Malkhawam]] HM 16:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC).
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@SaisT, the orbs are not just Senjutsu chakra but also Tailed Beasts' chakras, which Sasuke lacks.
:Then thats not a Chidori feat. Thats a feat that the user has. If the user for some stupid reason wants to waste the amount of time they can use the Chidori so the point where they stop it and recharge it then thats on them. But thats not something that will be added to the wiki.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] 16:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
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@Omni, MagnekyouSasuke has a great point, even more evidence. Also I went back to re-read previous chapters to find but 1 instance of ordinary chakra hurting Obito, found none. In fact, Amaterasu did nothing--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:12, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
   
I know you have told me that games are non-canon, but Naruto Shippuden: Utimate Accel 2 is at least quater-canon so look at this video and you will see what I was talking about (Sasuke using the chidori in other directions) [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF1SaVcb1zc]. [[Malkhawam|Malkhawam]] HM 16:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC).
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:So immediately prior to activating the Chidori, Sasuke's line is "And I have Six paths power too... Chidori!" (Viz translation). With that in mind would anyone be against renaming the section "Six paths influence"?--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 13:17, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
::It is still the game. It is not worth a grain of salt in comparison to canon. It will not be added. Nothing you can say or do will change that.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] 16:58, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 
   
Cant we put a game section [[Malkhawam|Malkhawam]] HM 17:02, 20 November 2008 (UTC).
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::Six Paths Influence is far more neutral and is not wrong. Because I refuse to go over what I am sure is a grand conversion full of knowledge and understanding, I say go with that.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:26, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
   
:No. Because they had their own articles. You wanted them deleted.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] 17:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
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:::Thanks. Just made the change.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 13:30, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
   
If anyone knew the naruto accel 2 game is a least a little bit like the shows and movies (ask about it and the Chidori details is real I asked the creators of the game by sending them a message). So what I am putting is right and both of you look at this video [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF1SaVcb1zc]]. Please answer this question Dantman, and TheUltimate3. [[Malkhawam|Malkhawam]] HM 17:27, 20 November 2008 (UTC).
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Elveonora, if you're talking about Six Paths Sage Technique, that is still highly speculative to call a technique. What I'm referring about Madara saying what Naruto and Sasuke got is the nature of their power-up, not specifics. Naruto got better senjutsu, and is dishing those Rasengan variants. MangekyoSasuke what did we see Sasuke getting as a Rikudo power-up? Rinnegan. Sasuke throwing a sword is not him using a Rikudo based technique. Except after, Sasuke uses his Rinnegan and causes his sword to appear stabbing Madara. Is anyone really saying that is senjutsu when we already know that teleportation-like effects are Sasuke's yet to be properly explained Rinnegan ability? Elveonora, I see you're deliberately ignoring the fact that regular ninjutsu, Mutually Instantaneous Revolving Technique, was able to affect Obito. You're claim that he is completely immune to the effects of ninjutsu is wrong on account of that. Regarding ninjutsu actually injuring him, please go to chapter 642 again. When we see Obito emerging from the Amaterasu flames, there's the smoking effect that indicates healing, in his chest, where Naruto and Sasuke hit him with the Rasenshuriken and Kagutsuchi combo. If he's healing, it means he got hurt. We've seen the same effect with Madara as well, even before he became a jinchuriki. I'll repeat my previous sentences: For what you're saying to work, either there is another type of senjutsu chakra that somehow isn't recognised as a type of senjutsu chakra, having senjutsu chakra and using senjutsu are no longer the same thing, or all the available translations managed to get a crucial part of the chapter wrong the exact same way. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:59, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
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:Um, what? You're missing the entire point of my argument. Him teleporting Madara into his sword has nothing to do with attacking his shadow. This and that are two different things. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 19:21, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
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::What MangekyouSasuke was trying to say Omni is that Sasuke figured out that physical attacks do not work on Limbo but Naruto's Senjutsu could hurt the shadow Madara and then proclaimed that he has Rikudou's power too and managed to stab the shadow Madara with his black Chidori. If that isn't obvious, then I dunno--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:41, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
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::: "Rikūdo's power" =/= senjutsu. It was already established that techniques that use Hagoromo's chakra can hurt the shadow. Carry on. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:37, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
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::::By whom?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:02, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::By Sasuke, in 674. You're even missing the point of what they're doing. Senjutsu is effective against TSB. I see neither of you disproved the fact we've seen ninjutsu affecting a Shinju host twice, the FTG and the Sasuke and Naruto combo, per my previous comment. The shadow they're attacking isn't a Shinju derived ability, it's a Rinnegan ability, so using Hagoromo's chakra (which is what manifests the Rinnegan in the first place, per Hagoromo's own words) against is only logical to work. It's probably also why he didn't want to attack Obito earlier with it, since he had Madara's other Rinnegan, he didn't want to risk Obito noticing the technique and beginning to make a strategy against it. Even if Naruto used senjutsu against it, the reason it worked is because it was Hagoromo's power, not because it was senjutsu. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:13, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
The Chakra thing that I said about Chidori I remember that I saw it on Naruto episode 132 or 83. And the direction thing I meant was going one straight way, but the user picks the direction. So TheUltimate3 and Dantman do you guys get my idea. [[Malkhawam|Malkhawam]] HM 05:41, 21 November 2008 (UTC).
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Are you even serious? Talk about denial. Sasuke said that an attack using chakra from the sage of the six paths worked and then he ordered Naruto to prepare Senjutsu chakra. Hagoromo's chakra = Senjutsu chakra, not sure why don't you get this--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:27, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
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:You're the one who's not even trying to refute my other points. We were explicitly told there was a separation of Hagoromo's powers. You know why Sasuke told Naruto to use senjutsu? Because that's the power up Hagoromo gave Naruto. That's the power he has that stems from Hagoromo. And Sasuke's is the Rinnegan. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:25, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
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:: @Elve: Your own statement disproves your argument. If Sasuke has senjutsu chakra, then why would he bother telling Naruto to prepare Senjutsu chakra? He could just make it himself. He needed Naruto to do it because he ''doesn't have it''. Once again Sage's chakra/power =/= Senjutsu except in your head. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 05:23, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
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:::You can't be serious. Sasuke needs Naruto's chakra? He didn't perform a collaboration ninjutsu. He used his own chidori, with no chakra from naruto. And it worked on Madara's shadow, which was specifically said by Sasuke to be vulnerable only to '''Senjutsu''' chakra. @Omni, we don't know if Naruto and Sasuke's powers they've shown so far are a result of the so6p or the methods which they were revived (tailed beast chakra and senju healing by kabuto). For all we know, its just the marks on their hands. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 07:11, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
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::::I'm just gonna sit back and swallow this with lots of popcorn.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:35, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Other than Shukaku and Gyūki, Naruto has had the chakra of the other tailed beasts for many chapters now, but only now he has started to use them in senjutsu, which Madara explicitly recognized as Hagoromo's. And any Senju involvement in Sasuke's healing regarding Asura's chakra should be meaningless, since Asura's chakra has long since moved on to Naruto. Their powerups are due to Hagoromo's influence, no question about it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 15:45, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
Look at my talk page TheUltimate3 and Dantman and look at Jacce's answer for the Chidori on my talk page (Answer my moves serction the last and before last answers). See what he wrote. [[Malkhawam|Malkhawam]] HM 11:31, 21 November 2008 (UTC).
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He hasn't had ALL of the tailed beasts, though, which equates to the ten-tails chakra, which equates to Hagoromo's sage mode. And Asura reincarnating into Naruto doesn't make Hashi any less Asura's reincarnation. Naruto and Hashi share the same soul. And I suppose you'll say how can Sasuke and Madara be alive at the same time if they share souls, but I don't think reincarnation necessarily follows your preconceived notions of space and time. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 17:27, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
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:And none of his new Rasengan variants uses all of the tailed beasts' chakra, so far, they've only been used individually. Hashirama maybe Asura's reincarnation as well, but Asura's chakra has moved on to Naruto. Hashirama no longer possesses it. If Hashirama and Naruto had the same soul, it would be impossible for Hashirama to be brought back with Impure World Reincarnation. It's Asura's chakra that transmigrates with each reincarnation, not Asura's very own soul. Chakra and soul are obviously very closely related, but they're not the same. Same goes for Madara and Sasuke. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:07, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
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::What do rasengan variants have to do with anything? And you don't know that. Thats an opinion you have on the nature of chakra and the soul, which has NOT been proven. My opinion of it is as equally valid as yours. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 18:32, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
TheUltimate3 Sasuke can turn while using the Chidori because he copied this when Rock Lee fought Gaara. So please tell me if this is right. Please look at the first section of my talk page and the last answer and you will see what jacce wrote? [[Mhalkhawam|Mhalkhawam]] HMA 14:32, 7 December 2008 (UTC).
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Edit: Oh, and another thing. Someone saying something is so doesn't mean the exclusion of it being something else. Hagoromo said that both brothers reincarnated through time, their chakra moving from place to place. He did not say ONLY their chakra, he just said their chakra. And chakra can be in multiple places (or people) at once. Otherwise shadow clones and Naruto's sharing of chakra or the splitting of Kurama wouldn't be possible. And the powers that we were told Naruto and Sasuke obtained were told from Madara's perspective. He has no idea where they're from, and no idea whether or not they obtained anything else. He only knows what he sees. So you can't use it to prove that Sasuke doesn't have senjutsu. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 18:43, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
:Didn't I block you for like 6 months? Oh...my god do you really think I won't block you again?--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] 15:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
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Rasengan variants are what Naruto started doing after he got the power-up from Hagoromo. Without that power-up, it is highly improbable that he would have been able to perform those variants. The fact that Edo Hashirama and Naruto both exist at the same time is proof that their souls aren't the same. There's no arguing against that. Naruto has Asura's chakra at the moment, and nothing indicates that Hashirama still possesses it. We also don't know that each reincarnation retains Asura's chakra if they're Edoed after another reincarnation is born, and considering that is a much more complex scenario than the chakra simply moving on, it is much more speculative until proven in any way. Reincarnation as what Hagoromo said is much different from any sort of chakra sharing, or anyone using a shadow clone, all of which are deliberate actions which happen as intended by the performer of jutsu/sharer. Reincarnation as far as we know just happens. Madara may not have the perspective of what happened when they were dying, but as a character in the story, he's the author's mouthpiece, so until the story in any way proves him wrong, what he says go. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:43, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Why is it one direction ==
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Everyone, I have a new theory with regards to Sasukes "Flapping Chidori" as well as his Dark Chidori in chapter 674. Elve, please do not insult me for this theory. I believe that the "Flapping Chidori" produced by Sasuke in Part I is a result of adding the senjutsu from the Curse Seal into his Chidori. In Part II his Chidori was white/blue because he probably chose not to utilise the senjutsu, in chapter 674 he says "I'll use the Six Paths power too," and raises his hand with the Yin release tattoo and a black Chidori forms. This insinuates that he used the senjutsu to form the powerful black chidori and used the Yin to further enhance his Chidori. So, in Part I it was a Sage Art: Chidori and in Part II it is Sage Art: Yin Release Chidori. Elve, I agree with you, Madara says that Sasuke recieved the Rinnegan while Naruto donned a new cloak with Rikudo Senjutsu enhancing the shroud and Truth-Seeking Balls. He merely stated what he saw and you are correct, he is not aware that they both recieved Hagoromos power. So I would like to add this to the Chidori article.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 21:11, June 23, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization
   
TheUltimate3 do you know why the user has to go one straight line for the Chidori. [[Malkhawam|Malkhawam]] HM 14:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC).
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In addition, I believe that there should be a "Six Paths Influence" section for Chidori Sharp Spear, this will organize things more and a standard Chidori Sharp Spear could not bisect a jinchuuriki of the "Ten-Tailed beast."[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 22:55, June 23, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization
   
:I decided. I am no longer going to continue these Chidori conversations with you. I will revert what I know is false information, but as of now I will no longer continue this. It has been going on for a almost a week. I'm tired. I'm sick. And I'm not going to do this anymore.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] 16:12, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
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I created a "Six Paths Influence" section for Chidori Sharp Spear, I posted an image and Rafael Uchiha placed it properly.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 21:23, June 24, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization
   
I just asked why does it go straight because I don't know why I swear. So could you answer. [[Malkhawam|Malkhawam]] HM 16:39, 21 November 2008 (UTC).
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Why? The main Chidori article already covers the Six Paths enhancement, this is redundant. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:03, June 24, 2014 (UTC)
   
:That was explained quite well in the anime. The chidori relies on both the chakra used, and thrust. The faster the person is moving, the stronger the chidori. If the user is not running at an extremely high speed, then the chidori becomes a completely useless technique. It's meant for quick assassination.
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Then we could delete it and place it in the Chidori Sharp Spear article, albeit it is not required as the article already covers the enhancement. But then, what is the point of creating a "Six Paths Influence" section and picture for Chidori when you can just add a paragraph stating the enhancements and the color change? Well, I did it for the Chidori Sharp Spear article to organize things and let people know how the enhancement is strong with a picture.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 22:34, June 24, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization
:Now, there are 2 issues there. Firstly, that creates tunnel vision blocking off the sights of the user, which is why you need sharingan to pull the move off without issues. And the second, more relevant issue, is physics. If you are moving in one direction at a high speed, momentum prevents you from turning in any direction. You might be able to curve a few centimeters to make sure that you are aiming on target still. But you cannot make any actual ''turn'', momentum forces you to keep the same general direction that you started with. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User_talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup><nowiki/> <small>[[Forum:Javascript addtions to searchbox|current discussion]]</small> <small>Dec 4, 2008 <sub>@</sub> 17:33 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
 
   
== Chidori current ==
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One: There is no proof that the Chidori Sasuke produced is black. Two: it is redundant to mention this in the Chidori Sharp Spear article when it is already mentioned ''and'' linked in the Chidori article. So no, let's leave things as they are. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] 04:28, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
What happened to chidori current, it apeared almost a week ago(on june 11). I still can't find it.
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== "new" color ==
   
:[[Chidori Current]]?--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 17:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
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So it's blue, while ordinary Chidori is white. Still not Senjutsu?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:35, May 19, 2014 (UTC)
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:Not really different from what it has always been, see [http://www.jumpbookstore.jp/client_info/SHUEISHA/html/player/viewer.html?tw=1&lin=1&cid=SHSA_ST01A87336801501_57 here]. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:57, May 19, 2014 (UTC)
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::Doesn't work for me. The Chidori was drawn as white on the covers when used by Sasuke after he has lost the curse mark and when done by Kakashi. Volumes 52 and 63--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:21, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:::This isn't a Kishimoto colouring. The colouring system of these versions is not entirely consistent with chapter colours and has consistently shown the Chidori as blue.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 12:39, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
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{{Quote|''These would be colorists hired by Shueisha working under the supervision of editors, probably with some degree of input from Kishimoto and/or his assistants or editors. There's no way of knowing who actually did what work, as there's no credits in the books. Just "© Masashi Kishimoto, Scott 2014", "Scott" being the name of Kishimoto's studio.''}} It's a teamwork then :) —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 12:51, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:The amount of input Kishimoto has is highly likely to be extremely limited and it's extremely doubtful that they would get his input on the colouring of a single technique. We can see simply through looking at the chapters themselves that the colours draw on what's available to the colouring team, mainly Kishimoto's colour pages and volume colours. This is why the Hokage's uniform was initially black and red in the early colour comics chapters, even though it had been changed to red and white in Kishi's colourings, and the anime. These chapters can not be paired with things like volume covers for arguments about consistency. They must be looked at as there own separate iteration, just like the anime.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 13:16, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::And by that we shouldn't consider them canon, should we? Like Madara's hair ain't red unless colored by Kishi himself to be as such--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:13, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Has anyone see a volume release before? The cover pages consists of two pages, the first page is colored and the second uncolored page is just drawn by Kishimoto's pen. The publisher's coloring department with the supervision of Kishimoto and/or his assistants do the colored page of the cover. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 16:43, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::::That isn't true. Kishimoto discusses coloring the volume covers in the art books. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 16:51, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Just to know, how about the latest art book? How many volume covers that he discussed about their coloring? It's been a long while since he discussed those kinds of stuff. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 16:58, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Even if he doesn't discuss it it's still very clearly his art style on all the volume covers. What evidence do you have that somebody else is doing it? '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 17:04, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
I believe that what you are looking for is Chidori Nagashi. It is that same technique, with the same name. But we instead use the Japanese pronunciation.--[[User:Otacon1514|Otacon1514]] ([[User talk:Otacon1514|talk]]) 04:37, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
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If the volume covers/special colored pages were done by the same guys as the digital volume releases, the colors wouldn't contradict Shak--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:57, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
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: To my knowledge, Kishi does not do his own coloring. His assistants or the coloring teams have always done those for him. Kishimoto merely supplies the colors he wants the characters/techniques/etc. As for inconsistencies, Kishi has been indecisive about many of his colorings. For example, he will color the Rasengan yellow in previous issues, and blue in the current issues, mainly because he wasn't sure which color he wanted. Inconsistencies happen. I don't get where you think that Kishimoto is incapable of them, but he is. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:02, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::My point was that there's a difference between by Kishimoto decided colors (changed or not) and this. These guys may or may not have any input, but there's more evidence that they don't--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:36, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Even so, this is a official coloring. The anime at times doesn't know how to color things and we know they don't ask for colors from Kishi, otherwise we wouldn't have some problems. If you are suggesting we don't acknowledge these colors, you would also have to be oppose to the anime, as they don't get input from Kishi at times. The anime group just did what they thought was right and they stubbornly stuck with it even if they were wrong.--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 19:47, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
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They certainly shouldn't be ignored, but they should be treated just as the anime is. The appearances of a character or technique on a colouring done by Kishimoto's team has no baring on discussions of consistency within the digital colour comics versions. Take this discussion for example; the fact that Kishi's team has shown the Chidori as white is irrelevant, as the colour comics team has consistently shown it as blue. The reason that this team and the anime team have not always corrected a colouring is for internal consistency.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 03:21, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Shock ==
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Hello, may I receive permission to add in the Six Paths' Influence section that Sasuke infused his Chidori with senjutsu as well?
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If you believe that I am incorrect then I can argue.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 16:49, July 15, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
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:Sasuke doesn't have senjutsu.([[User:Kuroiraikou|Kuroiraikou]] ([[User talk:Kuroiraikou|talk]]) 16:59, July 15, 2014 (UTC))
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I am certain he does, how else would he have damaged Madara with that Chidori? Only senjutsu and taijutsu harm a Ten-Tails jinchuriki. http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=516907[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 16:49, July 15, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
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:He used Yin Release against Madara([[User:Kuroiraikou|Kuroiraikou]] ([[User talk:Kuroiraikou|talk]]) 17:10, July 15, 2014 (UTC))\
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Only senjutsu and taijutsu can harm a jinchuriki of the Shinju, Yin Release is merely a release.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 17:21, July 15, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
   
can't chidori be used to shock someone too? in shippuden episode 143, when sasuke used chidori on killer bee, it electricuted him instead of going through him --[[Special:Contributions/71.156.39.89|71.156.39.89]] ([[User talk:71.156.39.89|talk]]) 04:01, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
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If Sasuke can use senjutsu, then that means he is a Sage. Is that plausible? You can't manipulate senjutsu without being a Sage. But is Sasuke a Sage in the first place? Just because he also has Hagoromo's chakra, it doesn't necessarily mean he has senjutsu chakra. Or he'd be classified as a Sage, which I doubt. If you can explain how Sasuke is a Sage, that'd be nice. Only then will it be accurate to state Sasuke is a senjutsu user. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 17:23, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
*Sasuke was to take Killer Bee alive. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 14:04, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
== Debut ==
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Madara acquired Hashirama's senjutsu before becoming a jinchuriki and he is not a Sage. Then how was Sasuke able to damage Madara with that Chidori?[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 17:34, July 15, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization
   
Wasn't chidori debut when kakashi fought zabuza{{unsigned|Kyoto0}}
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So? Jugo's chakra with Sasuke's Susanoo was able to fight with Naruto against Obito, but Jugo is not a Sage. Sasuke, Madara and Jugo have manipulated natural energy before, but they're not Sages. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 17:54, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
: That was Raikiri, not Chidori [[User:L Mars|L Mars]] ([[User talk:L Mars|talk]]) 15:07, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
== chidori shape transformation ==
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That is still senjutsu, even it was referred to as a "Senjutsu Susano'o" you still cannot deny the fact that Sasuke damaged Madara with That Chidori.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 16:49, July 15, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
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:You're talking about the truth-seeking balls being enhanced with YYR nullify normal ninjutsu and only senjutsu can break through, that dosen't mean that the jinchuriki is immune to everything but senjutsu([[User:Kuroiraikou|Kuroiraikou]] ([[User talk:Kuroiraikou|talk]]) 18:07, July 15, 2014 (UTC))
   
sasuke has aplied shape transformation to his chidori and has given it several new forms.
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Senjutsu is when natural energy and ninjutsu are mixed together. Sasuke's ninjutsu with his Susanoo and natural energy from Jugo made that Senjutsu version of Susanoo. But both of them cannot single-handedly use senjutsu on their own. I'm not denying that Sasuke damaged Madara, but until it is stated that Sasuke had senjutsu chakra in the manga, there is no accuracy in your argument. He had Hagoromo's chakra. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 18:09, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
during his fight with danzo in the end he makes a lightning sword out of thin air to stab danzo. since his lightning abilities comes from his chidori(except kirin) shouldn't that be counted as a chidori jutsu? or perhaps another form of his chidori sharp spear?
 
   
([[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 10:54, March 3, 2010 (UTC))
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@Kiritolevel, I was told the same thing. Except it was stated in manga that "only Senjutsu and Taijutsu work against the Ten-Tails' jinchuuriki" and people interpret that as "only Senjutsu can resist TSB YYR nullification ignoring the very fact that Truth Seeking Balls aren't Yin-Yang Release and do not nullify ninjutsu unless the user can do so.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:13, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
:To me it looks like the [[Chidori Sharp Spear]], which is already listed under "Directly Derived jutsu". [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] 12:10, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
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I agree with you Elveonora,and Hagoromo's chakra does not imply anything, just because he is the Sage of the Six Paths does not insinuate that his chakra only with out senjutsu will damage a juubi jinchuriki-KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
== Humans? ==
 
 
In the artical it says it can kill most humans but i mean what else would it be used to kill?
 
 
== Personal Opinion==
 
 
I noticed that it says "in the anime it looks more powerful." This sounds to me like someone's personal opinion instead of an actual fact. Could someone remove this?{{unsigned|98.200.252.109}}
 
 
== Name Confusion ==
 
 
Is the English "One Thousand ''Chirping'' birds" or just "One Thousand Birds?" I remember someone saying something about the name having chirping in it. During the Chunin Exam Finals, maybe? ([[User: Zaxbeez |Zaxbeez]])
 
:"Chi(千)" is one thousand and "dori(鳥)" is bird so I wouldn't say chirping fits into that. --[[User:GoDai|GoDai]] ([[User talk:GoDai|talk]]) 05:42, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
 
::I believe someone mentioned chirping because the technique has the sound of many chirping birds, so that's why it is called "One Thousand Birds". [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 14:14, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Incomplete ==
 
 
I think it should be noted that the Chidori is incomplete. In the Hidan Kakuzu arc Kakashi stated that he originally wanted to add the shape transformation of his chakra to the "highest possible point" and then combine it with his Chidori ,but was unable to do it, also it should be noted only when making this point that Kakashi was Minato’s student and his signature technique was called Flying Thunder God so that speculates that he could have also had a lighting chakra nature and that he taught Kakashi Chidori and himself had originally intended on creating an jutsu with took the highest possible point shape transformation (Rasengan) and the ultimate lighting jutsu Chidori and combine them ,but he as well could not do this. It should also be noted that when Jiraiya saw Sasuke use it on Naruto during their fight on top of the hospital he seemed to be familiar with this jutsu which if only Kakashi used he probably would not have noticed, but Minato was his student so if he had used this jutsu it would explain why he was familiar with it. It’s a far stretch to say that the Rasengan and Chidori should be the same jutsu or at least two variations of the same jutsu ,but it makes since one is the best nature transformation and one is the best shape transformation.
 
____TwinDragon
 
:As far as I remember, Kakashi wanted to add his nature transformation to the Rasengan, but was unable to do so. His efforts eventually led him to create the Chidori: the highest point of shape transformation he could combine with his nature transformation.
 
:Also, it has been very, very clearly stated that Chidori is Kakashi original technique. In fact, when he first used it in the Kakashi Gaiden, Minato seemed unfamiliar with it. Jiraiya and Kakashi knew each other well, explaining how Jiraiya knew about the Chidori.
 
:Also, it has never been said that Chidori is the highest form of nature manipulation. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 20:03, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Agreed ==
 
 
I do agree with what you said I only posted the my last post as a debate. You know your stuff ShounenSuki touché!!!!!
 
 
 
 
---- TwinDragon
 
 
 
== Can Byakugan Users use Chidori?==
 
it is said that chidori has drawbacks which is:
 
 
"The speed at which the attack must be done, combined with the fact that the user must run in a straight line, causes a tunnel vision-like effect for the user.his allows the enemy to easily counter the attack, making it a potentially lethal move for the user.Though this drawback would seem to make learning the technique fairly pointless, Sasuke and Kakashi are able to avoid the drawback because of their Sharingan, which take in every detail regardless of how fast the user is moving. "
 
 
Now as Byakugan also able to see fast moving objects as shown during hinata vs neji and neji vs kidomaru respectively Can Byakugan Users use Chidori?--[[User:Dainsleaf|Dainsleaf]] ([[User talk:Dainsleaf|talk]]) 05:54, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
:Where in those fights is it shown the Byakugan can see faster objects than normal eyes? —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 07:50, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::not really sure (cuz i am too lazy to check) but i think that is because Neji is able to deflect the fast Kunai that Kidomaru throw at him,
 
::as for Hinata's fight i don't really know the details, but it was mentioned in Byakugan Talk page--[[User:Dainsleaf|Dainsleaf]] ([[User talk:Dainsleaf|talk]]) 11:03, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:::Even ordinary shinobi are capable of deflecting kunai. It's a matter of good reflexes, rather than special eyes. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 11:23, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::::The Byakugan could work in theory though, because although it may not give the user faster reflexes, it does give them 360 degree eyesight, which would make it very hard to counter. - [[User:KageBushin|KageBushin]] 12:37 January, 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
:@ Shonensuki: True, that most Shinobi able to deflect Kunai..., Yet we are talking about the storm of Kunai Kidomaru Unleashed on Neji after he seal Neji's Kaiten.At that time, Kidomaru unleashed hundreds of Kunai from all direction targeted at Neji Rapidly non stop in which Neji deflect most of them except of those get into his blind spots...--[[User:Dainsleaf|Dainsleaf]] ([[User talk:Dainsleaf|talk]]) 12:44, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
::That must be an anime-only thing then. In the manga, Neji only uses the Hakkeshō Kaiten to deflect kunai. he uses Hakke Rokujūyonshō to deflect a few dozen falling spiders, but even that is difficult for him. Besides, kunai are slow and easy to evade or block and Kidōmaru never uses that many. None of this proves the Byakugan gives high-speed vision. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 14:07, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:::Nope, this is also shown in manga. Kidomaru hides after summoning Large Spider and rapidly use traps that release hundreds of Kunai from all directions. Specifically on chapter 195 page 12 or 13--[[User:Dainsleaf|Dainsleaf]] ([[User talk:Dainsleaf|talk]]) 08:42, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::::Again, kunai are slow. Also, Kidōmaru doesn't actually use that many kunai —Dozens at most, certainly not hundreds— and Neji already has trouble keeping up with them. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 11:04, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:::: You were right on this part... Kunai is pretty much slow. How Neji is able to avoid all those Kunai is probably compareable to how Kakashi able to deflect all Shuriken Zabuza thow at him on chapter 26 page 11/12 --[[User:Dainsleaf|Dainsleaf]] ([[User talk:Dainsleaf|talk]]) 14:04, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Picture Change ==
 
 
I think we need to change the image now that the Anime Chidori looks like the manga one, or add one. [[User:Fangzntalonz|Fangzntalonz]] ([[User talk:Fangzntalonz|talk]]) 01:52, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:I see no need to change it, it looks fine to me. '''''~ [[User:Fmakck|Fmakck]] - [[User talk:Fmakck|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Fmakck|Contributions]]''''' 02:09, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 
::It just bothers me that that's not what it looks like anymore. Its just a mental thing, the OCD [[User:Fangzntalonz|Fangzntalonz]] ([[User talk:Fangzntalonz|talk]]) 02:17, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 
:::I think a new picture should be added sincew the new anime chidori looks like the manga, which is more canon then anime. This wiki is all about canon so why should it not be added and replaced by a accurate chidori [[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 06:25, April 13, 2011 (UTC)Narutofox94
 
::::The anime and manga are both canon, and there is nothing wrong with the current image. ''''' ~ [[User talk:Fmakck|Fmakck<sup>©</sup>]] ''''' <sup>([[User:Fmakck#Images I've Added|Images]] | [[Special:Contributions/Fmakck|contribs]])</sup> 11:35, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
 
:::::By what you said that means the anime filler is canon. If the Lightning Beast Running Technique has both anime and manga pictures bc it was used differently so should this page. The chidori was used in the palm of the hand in early part of naruto then now its covering the hand like the manga. [[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 02:25, April 14, 2011 (UTC)Narutofox94
 
::::::bump [[Special:Contributions/74.207.179.180|74.207.179.180]] ([[User talk:74.207.179.180|talk]]) 20:04, April 16, 2011 (UTC)narutofox94
 
 
If i were to advocate for anything it'd be a change in the picture for Raikiri. This one is fine.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™☺]] 20:10, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== rasengan? ==
 
 
i remember in the manga kid kakashi, while about to use it, tells minato that he based chidori off of rasengan. {{unsigned|97.126.104.149}}
 
:No he didn't. When Kakashi is teaching Naruto nature transformation, he shows that he can do the Rasengan as well, and tells Naruto that when Minato taught him the Rasengan, Kakashi tried to combine his Lightning Release with it, but failed, so he developed the Chidori instead. Chidori uses both shape and nature transformation, but its shape manipulation isn't as difficult as the one employed to perform Rasengan. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:41, May 14, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
plus minato based the rasengan off the tailed beast ball{{unsigned|87.244.106.199}}
 
 
== plover ==
 
 
whats a plover?--[[User:Caseather|Caseather]] ([[User talk:Caseather|talk]]) 03:30, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
 
:Ever heard of Wikipedia? —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 11:47, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
 
::Click link friend, click link...--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 11:56, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
what link? --[[User:Caseather|Caseather]] ([[User talk:Caseather|talk]]) 20:52, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
 
:In the Chidori article, the word "plover" is blue oui? Click the word "plover".--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 20:54, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Chakra flow? ==
 
 
Isn't this chakra flow? The person flows chakra through their hand. Also, if this isn't chakra flow, then how come this [[Nadeshiko-Style Hardliner Gale Fist]] is? They look like the exact same thing--[[Special:Contributions/76.92.243.71|76.92.243.71]] ([[User talk:76.92.243.71|talk]]) 16:48, December 18, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:This jutsu is not chakra flow as the user just collects the chakra in their hand. [[Sword of Kusanagi: Chidori Katana]] is the chakra flow version of this as the user is flowing their chakra into an object, the blade, to be used against another. Also, where is it mentioned that Nadeshiko-Style Hardliner Gale Fist is chakra flow? [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 20:22, December 18, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::Not everything that involve chakra is chakra flow.--[[User:Spcmn|Spcmn]] ([[User talk:Spcmn|talk]]) 21:23, December 18, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Black Chidori hand seals??? ==
 
 
Look guys I know that Black Chidori's proper name is flapping chidori, but is thre a difference in the jutsu themselves. Like for example, Flapping Chidori was only used once, but in Issue 26, chapter 232, pg 119 you can see that Sasuke only uses two hand seals to initiate the Flapping Chidori: Tiger and Monkey. Could this be considered a different jutsu with different hand seals,or is this still chidori???
 
 
(P.S Just wondering don't mean to start any fights or cause any trouble.)
 
by: Lighting fan 19
 
 
== Black-colored Lightning ==
 
This is just a thought, but since black-colored Raiton techniques has been introduced a few volumes back, should we mention something about the Black-colored Chidori having a probability of being a black-colored Raiton technique?? [[User:Ignisha|Ciaossu]] ([[User talk:Ignisha|talk]]) 08:55, July 17, 2012 (UTC)Ignisha
 
:"Black" Chidori is purple.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:18, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
::The colour was due to the cursed seal and isn't the same as the lightning used by the former raikage. [[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 11:21, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Oh yeah, forgot about the coloring Kishimoto-sensei put in... Thanks for reminding me... And thanks again for clearing that up, it's been on my mind for a few weeks now... [[User:Ignisha|Ciaossu]] ([[User talk:Ignisha|talk]]) 11:30, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Sasuke's or Kakashi's usage in the manga and books/arts ==
 
 
Was the color of Chidori/Raikiri ever shown in canon? (Kishi material) I wonder... what is it's official color, white/blueish or dependent on the user's chakra color? --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:53, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
:I think it showed up at least once in a volume cover. Might have appeared more in an artbook. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:16, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Could you be that nice and look it up please?
 
Want to find out if techniques have a preset color or akin to user's chakra color.
 
Not to mention the "flapping chidori" part is completely wrong, as if I remember correctly, in manga it was purple.
 
There even used to be (unless it's still there) a junk trivia that Flapping Chidori might be related to Black Lighting or something, not sure but hopefully it's long gone.
 
 
The point being that Sasuke's Susanoo is purple/violet/whatever, thus his chakra color should be such... thus the "under Cursed Seal influence" statement might be completely false.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:44, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Cursed Mark Chidori ==
 
 
Why is there no mention of the purple chidori Sasuke uses in Ultimate Ninja 2, 3 and Storm? I know its game only, but the part about others being able to use it in Ultimate Ninja 3 is included. [[Special:Contributions/86.175.249.76|86.175.249.76]] ([[User talk:86.175.249.76|talk]]) 15:38, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Cursed Seal of Heaven influence has its own section. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:30, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
 

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Origins Edit

It's something that has bothered me for a bit and I kinda just want to have it answered here so it can be referenced: where was it ever said that the Chidori was a result of the failed attempt to make "Lightning Release: Rasengan?"--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 22:12, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Around the time Naruto was learning nature transformation. Don't recall the exact chapter. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:29, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
Lawx I re-read the entire training period and even checked when Kakashi actually first used the Rasengan, can't find a mention of it any where. The closest I came was Kakashi saying in the Gaiden that his technique was like Minato's moniker.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 22:58, January 4, 2013 (UTC)


it's chpt 321--—This unsigned comment was made by 64.31.17.46 (talkcontribs) .

Care to cite a page as well. Because in that chapter Kakashi says nothing that sounds like "i failed to add lightning release to the Rasengan but made Chidori in the process".--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 08:25, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
he doesn't say that because that's not what happened. chidori is an alternative to lightning rasengan and not a byproduct. pg 7, 'if that were the case i wouldn't have needed to develop chidori.' pg 9, 'i wasn't able to combine my elementally recomposed lightning chakra with the spatially recomposed chakra of the rasengan.'—This unsigned comment was made by 64.31.17.46 (talkcontribs) .
Page 7: Kakashi explained spatial re-composition using the Chidori as an example. Page 9/10 he does say that he would have never had needed to create Chidori, however, he does not say that the Chidori is a failed Lightning Release: Rasengan. If you notice he said he wouldn't have had to create the Chidori and if you look at the two techniques, at least for me, there is no similarities in design except for spatial re-composition. It does sound like he might have used the "Lightning Release: Rasengan" as a basis for the Chidori but not "hey the Lightning Release: Rasengan failed but I'll call this Chidori.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 13:30, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
Apparantly, chidori is not a failed Lightning Release: Rasengan. It was just that he couldn't do it; So he created chidori.
When Kakashi learned how to use the Rasengan, he attempted to infuse it with lightning-chakra as it was originally intended to be combined with element chakra, but ultimately failed. However, he used the same theoretical principle to create the Chidori.

Kakashi

That sums it up ;)~ UltimateSupreme 13:42, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
Exactly, he took elements from it and engineered the Chidori, in a similar manner to Minato who thought he was b/a enough to use the Tailed Beast Ball.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 13:48, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Habataku Chidori Edit

Where does that term come from? Seelentau 愛 21:09, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

I think it was given that name in Ultimate Ninja 3. I did not know of it being named in the Anime though.--Yomiko-chan (talk) 21:21, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Just don't add It In the article If your not sure, try searching the term and trying to find out If It's been mentioned In the Anime but I don't think It has--*J*E*A*N**M*A*R*C**D*A*I*C*H*O*U**L*O*V*E*S**N*A*R*U*T*O* 21:43, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
It's not the only name for Cursed Seal Chidori, but I think it was the first. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:38, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
So... where does it come from? I don't play the Naruto games, was it named there? Is there any proof or source? Seelentau 愛 22:43, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
I'm not 100% sure, but I think that it was used in passing somewhere in the Second Databook, not as a part of its own section, but in a text about the plot or something. I recall ShounenSuki using the term. Either that or in the artbook where that scene was colored. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:39, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
Couldn't find anything :/ Seelentau 愛 08:23, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Kinda offtopic, but the article states that it's black, should be noted that it was colored as purple in manga. Actually, it's not even it's own technique, just Chidori done with curse mark level 2 activated. Since manga pages usually aren't colored and anime interpretations aren't firsthand and trustworthy, technically, each Chidori and every lightning related technique that Sasuke did with the seal activated was purple, or should be by logic. I'm really interested about the source too Omni. This isn't any different than Naruto in Kyubi cloak doing Rasengan, it doesn't become anything different. Sounds like vermilion rasengan case to me, fanmade name or from a videogame--Elveonora (talk) 14:10, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

To answer all the questions because it requires someone who has been around forever:
  • The exact origins of Flapping Chidori is unknown, but what is known it existed way way back when this place was a pit stain on the internet and Wikipedia was the primary source of Naruto information. Where it came from, I have no idea, but our previous translator ShounenSuki did use it so I can only assume it's legit somewhere. That being said, Flapping Chidori did come before any official name any game provided for it, so /shrug.
  • Now that being said, the "black" lightining was based purely on the imagery it had when first used. Compared to every Chidori previously and after, which was just white lines around the hand, Flapping Chidori had the noticeable black lightning, so that was a thing.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 14:19, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Black in anime, purple on chapter/volume cover ;D I remember people listing Sasuke as a user of "black lightning" due to this ._. talk about logic, and lol, since we have no source, there's a chance it's false altogether. And damn, you must be pretty old Ultimate--Elveonora (talk) 14:29, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Been around since 2007. If you count the Wikipedia days, a year or so longer.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 15:22, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Googling 羽撃く千鳥 doesn't seem to bring up any results from databooks, only videogames--Elveonora (talk) 14:03, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

In case you haven't found it yet, Habataku Chidori originated from Sasuke's profile in the 2nd Databook, a side box in which it speaks of this "blade" he was given for the purpose of protecting those close to him, being used to sever his bonds with them instead; the name is presented as the title... Also, Sasuke has never used this particular Chidori since his fight with Naruto at the Valley of the End. The colored depictions of Sasuke's Chidori in the Lv2 state were just regular ol' Chidori. SaiST Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 11:32, June 29, 2013 (UTC)
We should add the name "Habataku Chidori" to the article. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 12:04, June 29, 2013 (UTC)
It's already been mentioned under the Ten no Juuin's influence, which I believe is sufficient. SaiST Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 12:13, June 29, 2013 (UTC)
Saw it now. An article wouldn't be bad either, but i believe it is enough. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 12:38, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

Six Paths Edit

So, any suggestions on how to rephrase the title to reflect it's new use? "Influence of Senjutsu", perhaps? —「SaiSTMangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 09:40, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't say senjutsu. Madara said that senjutsu and the Rinnegan existed both in him when comparing himself to Naruto, so that means that whatever Sasuke has, it's not senjutsu. I'd just call it "Six Paths influence" or something like that for now. A good functional difference would be good as well. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:32, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
Actually Sasuke has Senjutsu, hence the topic on his talkpage. He wouldn't be able to harm Madara otherwise--Elveonora (talk) 18:47, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
Actually, please don't go to other talk pages and state your point of view as fact when the main discussion isn't even close to being resolved. • Seelentau 愛 18:50, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
^ What Seel said. Hard. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:53, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

Erm, I assumed that Sasuke's statement of also having "Rikudō's power" referred to his Senjutsu. The fact that he has only ever used this variant of Chidori once before while using a form of Senjutsu in Orochimaru's Juuinka may also suggest that to be the case... But, whatever, I'll let you guys box it out on Sasuke's Talk Page. :P —「SaiSTMangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 20:48, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

Glad you agree with me. Omni's explanation of Sasuke attacking and being capable to harm Madara because of plot doesn't work because the plot itself has established only Senjutsu and Taijutsu work--Elveonora (talk) 20:52, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
Sasuke thinks to himself that using Hagoromo's chakra makes their attacks work against Madara, and tells Naruto to do the same. Madara made the point of saying that each of them had one power, and Sasuke's was the Rinnegan, not senjutsu. It doesn't get clearer than that. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:56, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

So you suppose the Sage made an effort to split his chakra into senjutsu and non-senjutsu different for each boy or something.--Elveonora (talk) 19:07, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Do you see Naruto with a Rinnegan? Going by the "Rinnegan happen when Hagoromo's chakra, as in Indra and Asura's chakra exist together" we learned, if he had pure Hagoromo chakra, he'd have Rinnegan. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:44, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Flapping Chidori Edit

The Chidori Sasuke used in chapter 674 looks like the Flapping Chidori from the Valley of The End. It's speculation to say that they're the same but I'm curious as to what colored manga would depict the Flapping Chidori from Volume 26. I only ask because I doubt it's purple like the colored pages that we have now because that unique Chidori art has only been used in two chapters. Since the digital version of the manga is out for it, I think it be wise if someone got it.--Narutofox94 (talk) 13:41, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Can you rephrase that? I don't get what exactly you want--Elveonora (talk) 14:29, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
I'm basically asking can someone confirm what the manga colors are for what this wiki calls "Cursed Seal of Heaven's Influence" Chidori from chapter 232, volume 26. In the manga, the artwork for that Chidroi and the Chidori used in chapter 674 are similar if not the same.
From what has been released, the picture this wiki uses to depict the Cursed Seal of Heaven's influence on Chidori may not even be from the Cursed Seal.--Narutofox94 (talk) 14:52, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
here and here it's purple. After Sasuke lost Curse Mark, it's white like Kakashi's--Elveonora (talk) 15:00, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
I knew you would bring those up, but even in the chapters that depict them with those colors, they were not once drawn like the Chidori from Chapter 232 and 674. To give a better understanding Chidori is normally drawn with just a outline of it's shape off the hand. Those pictures you just linked are drawn like that and thus that's what those colors are for those variants. The Chidori from chapter 232 and 674 are drawn like this
I apologize for not clearly explaining myself earlier.--Narutofox94 (talk) 15:18, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Looking at the manga pictures (not the volume covers) what he used in 674 is the same as what he used in 232. And also looks like Darui's black lightning. Can someone get the color chapters for 232 so we can double check? For all we know, Kishi might've retconned the color. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 15:39, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

@Naruto, I see. In most instances, Chidori is just energy around the whole hand. But in some cases, it was drawn as streaks of lightning coming from the palm. Well, dunno why. Been called just Chidori in all instances tho--Elveonora (talk) 15:44, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

@MangekyoSasuke It's speculative to say it's Black Lighting, if anything the reason Sasuke used "that" Chidori could be Indra's Chakra reincarnation thing still has a bit of Asura's Chakra in it. Indra's chakra could have used what little it had of that chakra to overpower Naruto's Rasengan with Kurama's influence because it didn't want to lose to Asura's Reincarnation again. Though that's a theory, not fact.

@Elveonora True it's always been called Chidori, maybe Sasuke has some respect for Chidori and not give it 10 or so variant name changes. The difference in it's appearance though is important because from what Sasuke said in Chapter 674, that Chidori used the Six Path's chakra. Basically I think the article needs to add a Six Path's Influence section and change the picture of Cursed Seal of Heaven's Influence to the purple colored one.--Narutofox94 (talk) 15:57, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Didn't sasuke say that he added sage chakra into that chidori in the newest chapter? Munchvtec (talk) 15:59, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

@Narufox, Sasuke has the same chakra color as Indra. Six Path's chakra is Senjutsu chakra, it's no different from Flapping Chidori which was Curse Mark Senjutsu chakra. Why do you assume the Chidori in chapter 674 is different color than purple?--Elveonora (talk) 16:07, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

@Narutofox, I'm aware its speculative, thats why I'm asking for color chapters for confirmation. If you haven't heard, Digital full color chapters have been released in Japan. Look in the forums. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 16:10, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

@Elevonora Because like one user said on this site "chakra is screwy". I want to have confirmation of what that Chidori in chapter 232 looks like. We can confirm it thanks to the digital version that has the whole thing colored being out. Also Orochimaru's Senjutsu Chakra is different from whatever the hell the Six Path's chakra is. Therefore it could very well have a different color, plus the unique drawing style the used in chapter 674 and 232 makes me curious.

@MangekyoSasuke I agree with you, we need confirmation for chapter 232. I also did notice digital colored volumes and that's why I asked if someone could buy it. That way we can see if the anime didn't mess it up like they did so many other things and possibly help us imagine what this new Chidori looks like in color. Also I would like to add that the unique drawing style was used for Chidori Sharp Spear towards the end of chapter 674.--Narutofox94 (talk) 16:21, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

What Sasuke said is that attacks containing the Sage's chakra (Hagoromo's chakra) work on Madara. What people seem to be confusing about senjutsu is what it actually does. Senjutsu is the only thing that works against TSB and derived weapons. Even when Naruto hit Obito with a senjutsu attack, he healed right away. Guy obviously doesn't have senjutsu, yet he did a number on Madara. Senjutsu isn't the only thing capable of injuring Shinju's jinchuriki. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:02, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Except the very canon states that the only things that work against the Shinju's jinchuuriki (not just the balls) are Senjutsu and Taijutsu.--Elveonora (talk) 19:05, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
Double-post: chapter 667 to be exact--Elveonora (talk) 19:16, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Cursed Seal = Senjutsu. Cursed Seal enhanced chidori is the same as Senjutsu Chidori.--Salamancc (talk) 19:23, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Thanks for letting us know :P The current argument is if the Chidori done in latest chapter with appearance identical to Curse Mark Chidori is Senjutsu--Elveonora (talk) 19:28, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
@Salmamancc I have to disagree because if so why wasn't Chidori always depicted like it was in chapter 232 and 674 when using his Cursed Seal. We already know the Cursed Seal influences his Chidori and makes it purple, and in the manga is drawn just as a normal looking Chidori. The Chidori I've been mentioning has been drawn differently the times it has shown up and was even colored uniquely in the anime.

I want to see how Kishi colored it to see if the anime didn't mess it up or what not. Though this brings up another point, what we thought was the Cursed Seal influencing Chidori in chapter 232 may not have been that. If it was why wasn't it continually depicted like that. Now we have Sasuke putting the Six Path's chakra into his Chidori and guess what we got, the anime colored black and white Chidori.--Narutofox94 (talk) 19:39, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

So I get it now that you suspect that "flapping" Chidori wasn't just that, Senjutsu Chidori because Senjutsu Chidori was drawn small like ordinary Chidori in every other instance that Sasuke used it while in Curse Mark form and to prove as such, you believe the flapping Chidori not to be purple but another color?--Elveonora (talk) 19:49, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
YES XD that's what I believe at least, if so then that could possibly mean that the Cursed Seal didn't influence it. Even if it's the same color as a regular Curse Seal Chidori it still brings up my previous point on why it wasn't depicted like that in future uses when using his Curse Seal. Now that the "Flapping" Chidori art style is being used now and Sasuke doesn't have his Curse Seal could possibly mean, and I repeat, that the Cursed Seal of Heaven may not have influenced the "Flapping" Chidori--Narutofox94 (talk) 20:00, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
Even tho the differing appearance is indeed curious, I think it can be explained by something as simple as Sasuke having put much more chakra into the Chidori in those two instances than during ordinary uses. Kinda akin to "last resort/most concentrated chidori"--Elveonora (talk) 20:07, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
That could be true, but it wouldn't be a last resort anymore since he is using it freely. Though didn't making his Chidori as strong and concentrated as he could cause his skin to peel off. The "Flapping" Chidori cause his arm to spasm, cause intense pain, and made the veins in his arm pop out in Part 1. The article suggests that "Flapping" Chidori is influenced just by the Cursed Seal which might not be true according to chapter 674. We know that the Cursed Seal influences Sasuke's and changed it to a purple color, so wouldn't that mean the color would be in "Flapping" Chidori. That's why I want to see the chapter 233, I think I brought it up as 232 earlier my bad, in color. --Narutofox94 (talk) 20:27, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
232 is right. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 20:32, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks I had the page leading to chapter 233 open so that's why I added it, my bad but I won't add the talk page with trivial things. I want to see chapter 232 in color to see if "Flapping" Chidori to see if the tell tale signs of the Curse Seal influencing it is there.--Narutofox94 (talk) 20:44, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

"Rinnegan Influence" for Chidori Sharp Spear?Edit

Considering that this wikia added a "Rinnegan Influence" section for this page, wouldn't it be reasonable to do the same for the Chidori Sharp Spear page? Cause I'm pretty sure a normal (or in this case, ninjutsu-based) Chidori Sharp Spear couldn't bisect through Madara like that toward the end of Chapter 674. WindStar7125 (talk) 22:44, April 28, 2014 (UTC) WindStar7125

Speaking of that section, is it really accurate to label it as "Rinnegan Influence"? Sasuke didn't just get the Rinnegan, he got some of Hagoromo's powers. There's nothing to suggest the Rinnegan would make lighting black.--Soul reaper (talk) 07:12, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
Some people around are progressively getting more and more mentally disabled. There's like 0 evidence the Rinnegan has anything with the power and visual of Sasuke's Chidori. Not to mention the very canon a few chapters back stated that only Senjutsu chakra and physical damage work against the TTs' jinchuuriki, meaning it's a Senjutsu Chidori--Elveonora (talk) 11:24, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
That's what I was thinking. In chapter 232 the "Flapping Chidori" appeared identical to the Chidori used in the last chapter. It seems to me that the two sections should be merged into a "Senjutsu Influence".--Soul reaper (talk) 14:01, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
Elveonora, stop insulting people you disagree with. You were warned about it last time. And Sasuke explicitly was said NOT to get Senjutsu by Madara himself: he only got the Rinnegan. Naruto got the Senjutsu from Hagoromo, while Sasuke got the Rinnegan, plain and simple. --SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 18:18, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
Not to mention the 'black Chidori' wasn't even standard for Sasuke in Cursed Seal Level 2. Hell when he used it against Deidara, Itachi, and Orochimaru, his Chidori was white not black. Its possible that its not only the Rinnegan, but Indira's chakra turning it black.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 18:28, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think such a section is necessary for Chidori Sharp Spear. We barely catch a glimpse of the technique, and if the effects are listed in the main technique article, it stands to reason that they apply to the derived techniques. At most, a sentence mentioning what it could do with the enhancement is enough. Elveonora, stop insulting people on your own, for your own sake. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:59, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

Why do we have to assume that the black Chidori is a result of senjutsu or Rinnegan influence? Sasuke said attacks using Hagoromo's chakra can harm Madara and than said he has Six Paths power too. Can we not just go the route of least speculation and say that the black Chidori uses Hagoromo's chakra until it is further explained?--BeyondRed (talk) 21:20, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

Isn't Hagoromo's chakra Senjutsu tho? Naruto woke up with new Sage Mode after having gotten Hagoromo's chakra.

@SSM, @Omni, just because Madara said Sasuke got the Rinnegan doesn't mean he didn't get anything besides that. What kind of logic is that? Madara mentioned what he could see with his own eye, he doesn't know the details of their powers. He identified the most prominent feature of each - a new eye in Sasuke and a cloak on Naruto. What you basically do is trying to dodge the canon with excuses just because of personal bias. The fact is, that the canon said: "only senjutsu or physical attacks work on the tts' jinchuuriki" I'm not making that shi* up, go back and see for yourself--Elveonora (talk) 21:36, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

OK Omni. I'll add that sentence in if it already hasn't been. And regarding this Hagoromo's chakra is senjutsu thing... I'll reiterate my stance -- let's not make assumptions. What we have seen in the manga is that Senjutsu, Taijutsu, Hagoromo's chakra (before he sealed the Ten-Tails within himself), and his brother's can damage the Shinju. Basically, almost anything but ninjutsu. Once again, when we saw Sasuke's Rinnegan, a lot of us assumed that Kaguya and the Shinju had the Rinnegan, but it wasn't explicitly stated so. What we know is that Sasuke infused Hagoromo's chakra with his Chidori to damage Madara. Unless it is explicitly stated that Sasuke used senjutsu, we should keep Hagoromo's chakra and senjutsu chakra separate. Just because it may seem that Sasuke has senjutsu chakra due to having Hagoromo's, doesn't mean he does. Just because it may seem that Kaguya and the Shinju have the Rinnegan due to their eyes looking exactly like Sasuke's newly acquired one, doesn't mean they have the eye itself (like I said earlier, unless explicitly stated or shown), so let's just keep Hagoromo's chakra separate from senjutsu for now. Remember, his brother was also able to damage the Ten-Tails, but there was no mention of him being a Sage or possessing Senjutsu chakra. There are other ways to damage the Ten-Tails and its jinchuriki, and there may be more that we do not know of, and have yet to find out. Let's just go with what the manga displays and not make assumptions. They're what cause these debates and these "uproars." Besides, I don't think anyone is going to convince the sysops on this wiki that Sasuke has senjutsu chakra now. WindStar7125 (talk) 23:01, April 29, 2014 (UTC) WindStar7125

Hurting the shinju isn't the same as hurting its jinchuriki. Ninjutsu works on it. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 03:00, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

I just don't understand what is there even left to be argued about, since the very canon said, quoting: "only senjutsu and physical attacks work on the Ten-Tails' jinchuuriki" basically dodging Sasuke having Senjutsu is ignoring the canon--Elveonora (talk) 09:21, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

The problem with your entire argument is that you're expanding on what senjutsu can do. What senjutsu can do is not be deleted by TSB. If ninjutsu was completely and utterly useless against them, having no effect at all, Tobirama and Minato would not have been able to use their combo Flying Thunder God to switch Obito and Minato's positions so Naruto and Sasuke could hit them. Madara was very clear in saying that each of them got one part of Hagoromo's power, and that Naruto was the one who got the senjutsu. Saying that Sasuke has senjutsu ignores that. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:17, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
Madara doesn't know any Hagoromo chitchat took place, he is even clueless about Sasuke being an Indra incarnate too. Anyway, it's not my job to lecture you, I'm going to just sit and wait for the manga to tell you the obvious--Elveonora (talk) 17:29, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
Sasuke himself said that attacks that have Hagoromo's chakra work. He didn't say senjutsu, he didn't say natural energy, he said Hagoromo's chakra. For what you're saying to work, either there is another type of senjutsu chakra that somehow isn't recognised as a type of senjutsu chakra, having senjutsu chakra and using senjutsu are no longer the same thing, or all the available translations managed to get a crucial part of the chapter wrong the exact same way. Until either of those can be proved, you're selectively ignoring part of the manga as you see fit, because Sasuke having senjutsu directly contradicts what we were told just moments ago in the storyline. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:09, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
Not really, Madara doesn't know everything they've got. He didn't mention that Naruto was taught a technique by Hagoromo, so by your logic, Naruto wasn't taught anything because omniscient Madara didn't say so.--Elveonora (talk) 21:18, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

For the record: Madara claimed that "Rikudou('s?) Senjutsu" blossomed within Naruto, and Sasuke said that he also possessed Rikudou's "power", correct? If Sasuke were to be using a form of Senjutsu, it doesn't necessarily mean he's using the same as what Naruto inherited: "Rikudou('s?) Senjutsu"... I surmise that is what leads to the black, malleable chakra 'n such, which Sasuke clearly lacks. —「SaiSTMangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 23:30, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

@Omni, here's why your argument doesn't work. When Sasuke first saw the rinbo, he attempted to attack it with he sword. Didn't work. But he noticed that Naruto's Senjutsu Chakra did cause harm to it. When he formulates his plan to attack, he states that he has the sage's chakra. If he wasn't referring to senjutsu in this instance, how could he possibly know that his attack would work? His next attack is his first time attacking Madara. There was no previous attack that confirmed that something that's only the "Sage's Chakra" would work against Madara's shadow. Sasuke's throwing of the sword proved that he knew nothing of the technique beforehand, therefore the only knowledge Sasuke had of an attack working is Naruto's usage of Senjutsu chakra. So the only thing Sasuke could be referring to when he says "Sage's Chakra" is senjutsu chakra. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 01:30, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

The fact remains that we don't know what changed it to black in this instance. While many of us (myself included) believe that it is caused by Senjutsu Chakra or something related, it has yet to be confirmed. The page should reflect this. As it stands now the page is confidently stating that the black Chidori is a result of the Rinnegan influence, an assumption with no evidence at this point in time. The least we should do is rename the section. In my opinion we should merge it with the Curse Mark section, rename it to black Chidori, and have one paragraph dedicated to its use in Part I and another paragraph dedicated to its more recent appearance. If others feel differently that's fine, but we shouldn't be labelling it as a result of Sasuke's Rinnegan if we don't know it to be true.--Soul reaper (talk) 04:50, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

@SaisT, the orbs are not just Senjutsu chakra but also Tailed Beasts' chakras, which Sasuke lacks. @Omni, MagnekyouSasuke has a great point, even more evidence. Also I went back to re-read previous chapters to find but 1 instance of ordinary chakra hurting Obito, found none. In fact, Amaterasu did nothing--Elveonora (talk) 11:12, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

So immediately prior to activating the Chidori, Sasuke's line is "And I have Six paths power too... Chidori!" (Viz translation). With that in mind would anyone be against renaming the section "Six paths influence"?--Soul reaper (talk) 13:17, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
Six Paths Influence is far more neutral and is not wrong. Because I refuse to go over what I am sure is a grand conversion full of knowledge and understanding, I say go with that.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 13:26, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Just made the change.--Soul reaper (talk) 13:30, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Elveonora, if you're talking about Six Paths Sage Technique, that is still highly speculative to call a technique. What I'm referring about Madara saying what Naruto and Sasuke got is the nature of their power-up, not specifics. Naruto got better senjutsu, and is dishing those Rasengan variants. MangekyoSasuke what did we see Sasuke getting as a Rikudo power-up? Rinnegan. Sasuke throwing a sword is not him using a Rikudo based technique. Except after, Sasuke uses his Rinnegan and causes his sword to appear stabbing Madara. Is anyone really saying that is senjutsu when we already know that teleportation-like effects are Sasuke's yet to be properly explained Rinnegan ability? Elveonora, I see you're deliberately ignoring the fact that regular ninjutsu, Mutually Instantaneous Revolving Technique, was able to affect Obito. You're claim that he is completely immune to the effects of ninjutsu is wrong on account of that. Regarding ninjutsu actually injuring him, please go to chapter 642 again. When we see Obito emerging from the Amaterasu flames, there's the smoking effect that indicates healing, in his chest, where Naruto and Sasuke hit him with the Rasenshuriken and Kagutsuchi combo. If he's healing, it means he got hurt. We've seen the same effect with Madara as well, even before he became a jinchuriki. I'll repeat my previous sentences: For what you're saying to work, either there is another type of senjutsu chakra that somehow isn't recognised as a type of senjutsu chakra, having senjutsu chakra and using senjutsu are no longer the same thing, or all the available translations managed to get a crucial part of the chapter wrong the exact same way. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:59, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Um, what? You're missing the entire point of my argument. Him teleporting Madara into his sword has nothing to do with attacking his shadow. This and that are two different things. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 19:21, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
What MangekyouSasuke was trying to say Omni is that Sasuke figured out that physical attacks do not work on Limbo but Naruto's Senjutsu could hurt the shadow Madara and then proclaimed that he has Rikudou's power too and managed to stab the shadow Madara with his black Chidori. If that isn't obvious, then I dunno--Elveonora (talk) 12:41, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
"Rikūdo's power" =/= senjutsu. It was already established that techniques that use Hagoromo's chakra can hurt the shadow. Carry on. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 18:37, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
By whom?--Elveonora (talk) 20:02, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
By Sasuke, in 674. You're even missing the point of what they're doing. Senjutsu is effective against TSB. I see neither of you disproved the fact we've seen ninjutsu affecting a Shinju host twice, the FTG and the Sasuke and Naruto combo, per my previous comment. The shadow they're attacking isn't a Shinju derived ability, it's a Rinnegan ability, so using Hagoromo's chakra (which is what manifests the Rinnegan in the first place, per Hagoromo's own words) against is only logical to work. It's probably also why he didn't want to attack Obito earlier with it, since he had Madara's other Rinnegan, he didn't want to risk Obito noticing the technique and beginning to make a strategy against it. Even if Naruto used senjutsu against it, the reason it worked is because it was Hagoromo's power, not because it was senjutsu. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:13, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Are you even serious? Talk about denial. Sasuke said that an attack using chakra from the sage of the six paths worked and then he ordered Naruto to prepare Senjutsu chakra. Hagoromo's chakra = Senjutsu chakra, not sure why don't you get this--Elveonora (talk) 21:27, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

You're the one who's not even trying to refute my other points. We were explicitly told there was a separation of Hagoromo's powers. You know why Sasuke told Naruto to use senjutsu? Because that's the power up Hagoromo gave Naruto. That's the power he has that stems from Hagoromo. And Sasuke's is the Rinnegan. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:25, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
@Elve: Your own statement disproves your argument. If Sasuke has senjutsu chakra, then why would he bother telling Naruto to prepare Senjutsu chakra? He could just make it himself. He needed Naruto to do it because he doesn't have it. Once again Sage's chakra/power =/= Senjutsu except in your head. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 05:23, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
You can't be serious. Sasuke needs Naruto's chakra? He didn't perform a collaboration ninjutsu. He used his own chidori, with no chakra from naruto. And it worked on Madara's shadow, which was specifically said by Sasuke to be vulnerable only to Senjutsu chakra. @Omni, we don't know if Naruto and Sasuke's powers they've shown so far are a result of the so6p or the methods which they were revived (tailed beast chakra and senju healing by kabuto). For all we know, its just the marks on their hands. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 07:11, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
I'm just gonna sit back and swallow this with lots of popcorn.--Elveonora (talk) 11:35, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
Other than Shukaku and Gyūki, Naruto has had the chakra of the other tailed beasts for many chapters now, but only now he has started to use them in senjutsu, which Madara explicitly recognized as Hagoromo's. And any Senju involvement in Sasuke's healing regarding Asura's chakra should be meaningless, since Asura's chakra has long since moved on to Naruto. Their powerups are due to Hagoromo's influence, no question about it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:45, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

He hasn't had ALL of the tailed beasts, though, which equates to the ten-tails chakra, which equates to Hagoromo's sage mode. And Asura reincarnating into Naruto doesn't make Hashi any less Asura's reincarnation. Naruto and Hashi share the same soul. And I suppose you'll say how can Sasuke and Madara be alive at the same time if they share souls, but I don't think reincarnation necessarily follows your preconceived notions of space and time. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 17:27, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

And none of his new Rasengan variants uses all of the tailed beasts' chakra, so far, they've only been used individually. Hashirama maybe Asura's reincarnation as well, but Asura's chakra has moved on to Naruto. Hashirama no longer possesses it. If Hashirama and Naruto had the same soul, it would be impossible for Hashirama to be brought back with Impure World Reincarnation. It's Asura's chakra that transmigrates with each reincarnation, not Asura's very own soul. Chakra and soul are obviously very closely related, but they're not the same. Same goes for Madara and Sasuke. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:07, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
What do rasengan variants have to do with anything? And you don't know that. Thats an opinion you have on the nature of chakra and the soul, which has NOT been proven. My opinion of it is as equally valid as yours. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 18:32, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

Edit: Oh, and another thing. Someone saying something is so doesn't mean the exclusion of it being something else. Hagoromo said that both brothers reincarnated through time, their chakra moving from place to place. He did not say ONLY their chakra, he just said their chakra. And chakra can be in multiple places (or people) at once. Otherwise shadow clones and Naruto's sharing of chakra or the splitting of Kurama wouldn't be possible. And the powers that we were told Naruto and Sasuke obtained were told from Madara's perspective. He has no idea where they're from, and no idea whether or not they obtained anything else. He only knows what he sees. So you can't use it to prove that Sasuke doesn't have senjutsu. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 18:43, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

Rasengan variants are what Naruto started doing after he got the power-up from Hagoromo. Without that power-up, it is highly improbable that he would have been able to perform those variants. The fact that Edo Hashirama and Naruto both exist at the same time is proof that their souls aren't the same. There's no arguing against that. Naruto has Asura's chakra at the moment, and nothing indicates that Hashirama still possesses it. We also don't know that each reincarnation retains Asura's chakra if they're Edoed after another reincarnation is born, and considering that is a much more complex scenario than the chakra simply moving on, it is much more speculative until proven in any way. Reincarnation as what Hagoromo said is much different from any sort of chakra sharing, or anyone using a shadow clone, all of which are deliberate actions which happen as intended by the performer of jutsu/sharer. Reincarnation as far as we know just happens. Madara may not have the perspective of what happened when they were dying, but as a character in the story, he's the author's mouthpiece, so until the story in any way proves him wrong, what he says go. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:43, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

Everyone, I have a new theory with regards to Sasukes "Flapping Chidori" as well as his Dark Chidori in chapter 674. Elve, please do not insult me for this theory. I believe that the "Flapping Chidori" produced by Sasuke in Part I is a result of adding the senjutsu from the Curse Seal into his Chidori. In Part II his Chidori was white/blue because he probably chose not to utilise the senjutsu, in chapter 674 he says "I'll use the Six Paths power too," and raises his hand with the Yin release tattoo and a black Chidori forms. This insinuates that he used the senjutsu to form the powerful black chidori and used the Yin to further enhance his Chidori. So, in Part I it was a Sage Art: Chidori and in Part II it is Sage Art: Yin Release Chidori. Elve, I agree with you, Madara says that Sasuke recieved the Rinnegan while Naruto donned a new cloak with Rikudo Senjutsu enhancing the shroud and Truth-Seeking Balls. He merely stated what he saw and you are correct, he is not aware that they both recieved Hagoromos power. So I would like to add this to the Chidori article.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 21:11, June 23, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization

In addition, I believe that there should be a "Six Paths Influence" section for Chidori Sharp Spear, this will organize things more and a standard Chidori Sharp Spear could not bisect a jinchuuriki of the "Ten-Tailed beast."KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 22:55, June 23, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization

I created a "Six Paths Influence" section for Chidori Sharp Spear, I posted an image and Rafael Uchiha placed it properly.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 21:23, June 24, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization

Why? The main Chidori article already covers the Six Paths enhancement, this is redundant. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:03, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

Then we could delete it and place it in the Chidori Sharp Spear article, albeit it is not required as the article already covers the enhancement. But then, what is the point of creating a "Six Paths Influence" section and picture for Chidori when you can just add a paragraph stating the enhancements and the color change? Well, I did it for the Chidori Sharp Spear article to organize things and let people know how the enhancement is strong with a picture.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 22:34, June 24, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization

One: There is no proof that the Chidori Sasuke produced is black. Two: it is redundant to mention this in the Chidori Sharp Spear article when it is already mentioned and linked in the Chidori article. So no, let's leave things as they are. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task 04:28, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

"new" color Edit

So it's blue, while ordinary Chidori is white. Still not Senjutsu?--Elveonora (talk) 22:35, May 19, 2014 (UTC)

Not really different from what it has always been, see here. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:57, May 19, 2014 (UTC)
Doesn't work for me. The Chidori was drawn as white on the covers when used by Sasuke after he has lost the curse mark and when done by Kakashi. Volumes 52 and 63--Elveonora (talk) 11:21, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
This isn't a Kishimoto colouring. The colouring system of these versions is not entirely consistent with chapter colours and has consistently shown the Chidori as blue.--Soul reaper (talk) 12:39, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
These would be colorists hired by Shueisha working under the supervision of editors, probably with some degree of input from Kishimoto and/or his assistants or editors. There's no way of knowing who actually did what work, as there's no credits in the books. Just "© Masashi Kishimoto, Scott 2014", "Scott" being the name of Kishimoto's studio.
It's a teamwork then :) —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 12:51, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
The amount of input Kishimoto has is highly likely to be extremely limited and it's extremely doubtful that they would get his input on the colouring of a single technique. We can see simply through looking at the chapters themselves that the colours draw on what's available to the colouring team, mainly Kishimoto's colour pages and volume colours. This is why the Hokage's uniform was initially black and red in the early colour comics chapters, even though it had been changed to red and white in Kishi's colourings, and the anime. These chapters can not be paired with things like volume covers for arguments about consistency. They must be looked at as there own separate iteration, just like the anime.--Soul reaper (talk) 13:16, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
And by that we shouldn't consider them canon, should we? Like Madara's hair ain't red unless colored by Kishi himself to be as such--Elveonora (talk) 16:13, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
Has anyone see a volume release before? The cover pages consists of two pages, the first page is colored and the second uncolored page is just drawn by Kishimoto's pen. The publisher's coloring department with the supervision of Kishimoto and/or his assistants do the colored page of the cover. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 16:43, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
That isn't true. Kishimoto discusses coloring the volume covers in the art books. ~SnapperTo 16:51, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
Just to know, how about the latest art book? How many volume covers that he discussed about their coloring? It's been a long while since he discussed those kinds of stuff. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 16:58, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
Even if he doesn't discuss it it's still very clearly his art style on all the volume covers. What evidence do you have that somebody else is doing it? ~SnapperTo 17:04, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

If the volume covers/special colored pages were done by the same guys as the digital volume releases, the colors wouldn't contradict Shak--Elveonora (talk) 17:57, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

To my knowledge, Kishi does not do his own coloring. His assistants or the coloring teams have always done those for him. Kishimoto merely supplies the colors he wants the characters/techniques/etc. As for inconsistencies, Kishi has been indecisive about many of his colorings. For example, he will color the Rasengan yellow in previous issues, and blue in the current issues, mainly because he wasn't sure which color he wanted. Inconsistencies happen. I don't get where you think that Kishimoto is incapable of them, but he is. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 18:02, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
My point was that there's a difference between by Kishimoto decided colors (changed or not) and this. These guys may or may not have any input, but there's more evidence that they don't--Elveonora (talk) 18:36, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
Even so, this is a official coloring. The anime at times doesn't know how to color things and we know they don't ask for colors from Kishi, otherwise we wouldn't have some problems. If you are suggesting we don't acknowledge these colors, you would also have to be oppose to the anime, as they don't get input from Kishi at times. The anime group just did what they thought was right and they stubbornly stuck with it even if they were wrong.--Narutofox94 (talk) 19:47, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

They certainly shouldn't be ignored, but they should be treated just as the anime is. The appearances of a character or technique on a colouring done by Kishimoto's team has no baring on discussions of consistency within the digital colour comics versions. Take this discussion for example; the fact that Kishi's team has shown the Chidori as white is irrelevant, as the colour comics team has consistently shown it as blue. The reason that this team and the anime team have not always corrected a colouring is for internal consistency.--Soul reaper (talk) 03:21, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Hello, may I receive permission to add in the Six Paths' Influence section that Sasuke infused his Chidori with senjutsu as well? If you believe that I am incorrect then I can argue.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 16:49, July 15, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

Sasuke doesn't have senjutsu.(Kuroiraikou (talk) 16:59, July 15, 2014 (UTC))

I am certain he does, how else would he have damaged Madara with that Chidori? Only senjutsu and taijutsu harm a Ten-Tails jinchuriki. http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=516907KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 16:49, July 15, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

He used Yin Release against Madara(Kuroiraikou (talk) 17:10, July 15, 2014 (UTC))\

Only senjutsu and taijutsu can harm a jinchuriki of the Shinju, Yin Release is merely a release.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 17:21, July 15, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

If Sasuke can use senjutsu, then that means he is a Sage. Is that plausible? You can't manipulate senjutsu without being a Sage. But is Sasuke a Sage in the first place? Just because he also has Hagoromo's chakra, it doesn't necessarily mean he has senjutsu chakra. Or he'd be classified as a Sage, which I doubt. If you can explain how Sasuke is a Sage, that'd be nice. Only then will it be accurate to state Sasuke is a senjutsu user. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 17:23, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Madara acquired Hashirama's senjutsu before becoming a jinchuriki and he is not a Sage. Then how was Sasuke able to damage Madara with that Chidori?KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 17:34, July 15, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization

So? Jugo's chakra with Sasuke's Susanoo was able to fight with Naruto against Obito, but Jugo is not a Sage. Sasuke, Madara and Jugo have manipulated natural energy before, but they're not Sages. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 17:54, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

That is still senjutsu, even it was referred to as a "Senjutsu Susano'o" you still cannot deny the fact that Sasuke damaged Madara with That Chidori.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 16:49, July 15, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

You're talking about the truth-seeking balls being enhanced with YYR nullify normal ninjutsu and only senjutsu can break through, that dosen't mean that the jinchuriki is immune to everything but senjutsu(Kuroiraikou (talk) 18:07, July 15, 2014 (UTC))

Senjutsu is when natural energy and ninjutsu are mixed together. Sasuke's ninjutsu with his Susanoo and natural energy from Jugo made that Senjutsu version of Susanoo. But both of them cannot single-handedly use senjutsu on their own. I'm not denying that Sasuke damaged Madara, but until it is stated that Sasuke had senjutsu chakra in the manga, there is no accuracy in your argument. He had Hagoromo's chakra. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 18:09, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

@Kiritolevel, I was told the same thing. Except it was stated in manga that "only Senjutsu and Taijutsu work against the Ten-Tails' jinchuuriki" and people interpret that as "only Senjutsu can resist TSB YYR nullification ignoring the very fact that Truth Seeking Balls aren't Yin-Yang Release and do not nullify ninjutsu unless the user can do so.--Elveonora (talk) 20:13, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you Elveonora,and Hagoromo's chakra does not imply anything, just because he is the Sage of the Six Paths does not insinuate that his chakra only with out senjutsu will damage a juubi jinchuriki-KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

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