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== Number ==
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I thougt it was 361 chakra points in the body, not 64. I know that the Hyuga clan shouts 64 points, but it's 2+4+8+16+31+64.[[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 18:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
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==Kabuto's case==
:I think that is about right - since Naruto was still able to use chakra when Neji successfully used the 8 trigrams, 64 palms strike. If there were only 64 points, Kyuubi chakra would not be able to be used. Also, Neji knows 8 trigrams, 128 palms strike. So there is definitely more that 64 chakra points, or else such a technique is pointless. --[[User:Dubtiger|Dubtiger]] 01:49, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
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Should we mention that chakra signatures can be altered by absorbing different chakra from multiple people, so that even a sensor can be fooled by the change? [[User:Noweeaboohoo|Noweeaboohoo]] ([[User talk:Noweeaboohoo|talk]]) 18:49, March 8, 2014 (UTC)
::I have looked on several other places and all said it was 361 points, and that they are called "tenketsu". I will change the page.[[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 19:04, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
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:Bump. [[User:Noweeaboohoo|Noweeaboohoo]] ([[User talk:Noweeaboohoo|talk]]) 13:10, March 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::Do it yourself. It takes one sentence.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:23, March 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:::I wasn't giving somebody the order to do it, I was asking for opinions if it's worthwhile to add or not. I'm gonna add it as a first step. [[User:Noweeaboohoo|Noweeaboohoo]] ([[User talk:Noweeaboohoo|talk]]) 13:28, March 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Please... ==
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== Gift of the Hermit Group ==
   
Someone please take that crap out about Sora chakra...
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Is there any reason Gift of the Hermit Group is not under Non-cannon types?--[[User:Cosmikaze|Cosmikaze]] ([[User talk:Cosmikaze|talk]]) 19:59, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
: Fixed. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 12:45, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
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:Yes. The reason is, it's canon. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:07, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
   
== "Normal" chakra, and other concerns ==
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== The Six Paths Chakra ==
   
1- Most of the content under the ''Normal Chakra'' heading appears redundant (repeat of the intro), unclear, and meandering.
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so I've been asking myself this question this past month...can we or can we not say that there's another type of chakra known as the six paths chakra...--[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 17:54, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:There isn't, just people making **** up as they see fit, but I no longer care. Six Paths Chakra simply means Hagoromo's chakra, Six Paths Technique means Hagoromo's technique and so on.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:28, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
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::Or you're wrong. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:59, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
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then let me rephrase my question...can we categorize hagoromo's chakra as a whole other type of chakra...same thing we do with the bijuu or etc...or is it to soon to think this way...--[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 20:45, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Nope.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:23, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
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::::His chakra is just special and powerful. We've been hearing about people with specially strong or unique chakra for the entire series. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:57, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
2- What is the policy on using numerals as opposed to writing out numbers? The article switches between using actual numbers (1,2,3,4,5) and using the written versions (one, two, three, four, five).
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== Six Paths Chakra: Round Two ==
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Now we know about various people possessing Six Paths Chakra, and also that it enhances techniques to the point that they can harm Ten-Tails' jinchūriki (Madara and Kaguya) without apparently requiring them to be senjutsu. Any thoughts?--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 16:01, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:I don't think the term "Six Paths Chakra" was ever mentioned, was it? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:28, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::Sasuke mentioned it in [[Sasuke's Rinnegan…!!|this chapter]] while preparing his Chidori to attack Madara.--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 16:41, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:::He calls it ''Rikudō no Sennin Chakura'' (Sage Chakra of the Six Paths) while explaining Madara's Limbo. Then he says Naruto should use his Sage Chakra in a sealing technique but that's a mistranslation. He actually says ''Sennin no Chikara'' (Sage Power) and when he readies his Chidori he uses the term ''Rikudō no Chikara'' (Six Paths Power). • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:17, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Ah, alright. Then it's {{translation|Six Paths Power|六道の力|Rikudō no Chikara}}, while I thought it was {{translation|Six Paths Chakra|六道のチャクラ|Rikudō no Chakura}}. Sorry for the trouble.--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 17:34, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::What does Kakashi say?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:51, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::No idea, raw's not out yet. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:52, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::::While the raws have yet to come out, the scans make him say "His (Obito's) dōjutsu/dōryoku was empowered by the Six Paths Power he gained!"--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 17:54, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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So if it truly is "six paths power" then Sasuke and Kakashi have the same power?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:18, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:Probably. Their chakra turned black, so... • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:30, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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Does Kakashi mention Naruto and Madara having Six Paths chakra (enabling flight) in 680, or is that also referring to Hagoromo's chakra (which Madara didn't technically have)?--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 19:52, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:Kakashi did say that Naruto was able to fly just like Madara after gaining the Six Paths Power.--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 19:57, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:I think he calls it ''Rikudō no Chakura''. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:08, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::Ugh, so how many different terms do we have? Some of them must be synonymous--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:10, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
3- Isn't calling it ''normal chakra'' somewhat redundant? Chakra is chakra until its differentiated into a specific type of chakra (ie elemental). Its like saying: "There's water, and then there's ''normal'' water. And then there's fruit juice and kool-aid and all that jazz."
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Okay, was the Chidori and Raikiri confirmed to be black, or is that just an assumption? I'm confused. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contribs)</sub>]] 21:28, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:Yes, it's black. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:36, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
4- My understanding is that Chakra (originating from the chakra circulatory system) can only leave the body by way of one (or many) of the body's 361 tenketsu. The article doesn't quite make this clear.
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* Rikudō no Sennin Chakura - mentioned by Sasuke
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* Rikudō no Chakura - mentioned by Kakashi
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* Sennin no Chikara - mentioned by Sasuke
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* Rikudō no Chikara - mentioned by Sasuke
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* Rikudō no Senjutsu - mentioned by Madara
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* Senninka - mentioned by Madara
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Anything else? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:36, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:So it is black? Where did you get the confirmation? I'd like to know. Not doubting or ridiculing your statement or anything, just a question. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contribs)</sub>]] 21:42, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::It's black in the manga? o.ö • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:47, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Yea but so is Karin's hair in the manga. Shouldn't we wait to see what the anime or colored manga shows first? I mean I don't doubt it being black but... I thought we determined colors after the anime/colored manga shows, not decide from the b&w manga. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contribs)</sub>]] 21:52, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Yes, but for now it's black. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:56, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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Okay, so allow my mind to wrap around this:
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* Rikudo no Sennin Chakura, Rikudo no Chakura and Rikudo no Chikara are likely to be the same thing
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* Sennin no Chikara is unspecified, refers to any Senjutsu power
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* Rikudo no Senjutsu is either the same as the first or a separate thing, this is what we need to figure out
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Can you specify the context of each Seel?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:55, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Maybe tomorrow. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:56, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Sure, anytime.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:58, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::I think the main problem is that we don't know what the Six Paths are, if they're just short for "Rikudo Sennin" or something different. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 22:01, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:Yeah, I think @Elveo is right. Rikudo no Sennin Chakura (Sage of the Six Paths' chakra, mentioned by Sasuke when analyzing Limbo), Rikudo no Chakura (Six Paths Chakra, again mentioned by Sasuke when infusing it with his Chidori), and Rikudo no Chikara (Six Paths' power, mentioned by Kakashi after getting Obito's eyes) are probably the same thing. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contribs)</sub>]] 22:07, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
5- In reference to the heading '''Eight Gates Chakra''': This entire section seems to me to be unnecessary. Instead, this should just be noted in the initial description of chakra (perhaps as a sub-header?) with a link to the article [[Eight Chakra Gates]] which appears to do a better job describing the gates and their relation to chakra circulating throughout a ninja's body.
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Alright, let's give it a try:
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* '''Senninka''' - Obito apparently used it in the staff he created from Black Zetsu. He got that power from Madara, it simply means ''Sage Transformation''. Important note: Madara had not absorbed the tree at that time.
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* '''Rikudō no Senjutsu''' - Naruto obtained it after meeting Hagoromo and assembling all TB inside him. Madara said he possesses the same power. Since he didn't meet Hagoromo, it's impossible that the power comes from the Sage. Since Naruto never absorbed the Shinju, it's impossible that it comes from the tree, either. So the source of this technique/power are the 9TB.
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* '''Rikudō no Sennin Chakura''' - Sasuke says that this chakra can wound the limbo clone. Naruto used his TSB staff to inflict the wound, meaning that the TSB are made from this chakra.
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* '''Rikudō no Chikara''' - Sasuke starts his Chidori and says that he also uses the Six Paths Power. This is obviously whatever power Hagoromo gave him and what resulted in the crescent moon on his palm and the black Chidori. Kakashi most likely mentions it in the latest chapter, his Raikiri turns black, too.
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* '''Sennin no Chikara''' - Sasuke says that Naruto should prepare a technique using this power. It most likely refers to the sage power Naruto obtained.
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* '''Rikudō no Chakura''' - Kakashi says that this is the reason Naruto can fly, since Madara could do it too after obtaining this chakra. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:50, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
6- Under '''Cursed Seals''' is written: "Orochimaru gives all of his subcordinates a cursed seal to increase their power in exchange for their free will." Ignoring the typo...aren't all the Sound Ninja considered his 'subordinates'? He didn't give all of them cursed seals, did he?
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Additional note for '''Rikudō no Senjutsu''': Maybe it's the part Hagoromo gave Naruto and inherited to Ashura (and in turn Hashirama). Madara stole it from Hashirama and Obito in turn from Madara. But then, Naruto would've already possessed it so there was no need for Hagoromo to give it to him... • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:34, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
[[User:Sandster|Sandster]] 14:43, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 
   
== Sage Chakra ==
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: I would like to give my opinion on this.
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First about the Six Paths. Every mention of Six Paths came from Madara and Obito. Obito after he became TT's Jinchuuriki, he said that he became the Second Sage of the Six Paths. Madara after sealing the TT in his body, said that this is the Six Paths' Power. Yet Kaguya who is the TT never call herself as such. Obito also said that the Sage left the boundary of humans when he became Jinchuuriki, although they were talking about Chibaku Tensei, a Rinnegan Power.
   
Sage chakra doesn't turn you into a frog, frog oil does, if you don't have any control. You can use sage chakra without the frog oil, but it is much more difficult. Please change it, things like that drive me crazy, and normally, I change them on my own, but my friend doesn't want me changing them, just writing these notes.
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From this we can conclude that Madara and Obito believe that the Ten-Tails is Hagoromo's power. Now about the Sage himself, although he isn't a Jinchuuriki anymore, he still has the residual Chakra of the TT. So, when he gave his Chakra to Sasuke and Naruto, it was his Chakra and the TT residual Chakra. In turn, the TT's Chakra is Senjutsu.
:The oil only helps draw out the sage chakra and only works on the mountain. Jiraiya was partly turned into a frog when he used sage chakra. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 05:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 
   
== Could someone get all 5 elemental chakras ==
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For Obito, he had his own Uchiha+Senju Chakra, he had Residual TT Chakra and Madara's Chakra. That's enough for Kakashi to have Chakra similar to Sasuke's.
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In other words, for Obito and Madara the TT is a power belonged Hagoromo, and they called it SP power, in turn people like Kakashi started to call it the same as well. While for Sasuke who gained his power from the Sage of the Six Paths, he also calls it Six Paths.
   
Jacce do you have a answer. [[malkhawam|malkhawam]]
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So you can get this, Six Paths Power refers to everything Hagoromo/TT. And there are two things that fall under Six Paths Power. The First is Six Paths Chakra. The Second is Six Paths Sage Technique. Those with Rikudou Senjutsu also has SP Chakra, but the ones with SP Chakra doesn't have Rikudou Senjutsu.--[[User:MERCURIOUS|MERCURIOUS]] ([[User talk:MERCURIOUS|talk]]) 12:10, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
:I belive Kakashi and anyone with a Sharingan can copy ninjutsus from all elements, but if they would be abel to master the elements is another question. Nagato apperntly masterd all ''six'' elements at young age, thanks to [[Rinnegan]], and [[Kakuzu]] could use all five known elements thanks to [[Earth Grudge Fear]]. In the Shippuden filler, Kakashi said: "nobody can learn all five lements" to Naruto, just moments after Naruto meet [[Fuka]]. I don't know if that can be considerd canon. But if I get Naruto's element chakra traing right, learing to use one element is very tricky, so learning all five without a special ability would be impossible. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 16:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 
::[[Fuka]] could use all 5 natures because she was using multiple bodies. So it's just another special ability. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User_talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup><nowiki/> <small>[[Forum:Javascript addtions to searchbox|current discussion]]</small> <small>Oct 26, 2008 <sub>@</sub> 12:46 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
 
   
== Yin and Yang ==
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@Seel,
Perhaps we should cross-link [[Nature Transformation#Yin and Yang]]. From what is written there I don't see any evidence of it being a chakra nature rather than a type of chakra. But nonetheless we could put the section in one page, and use a labeled section to transclude it from one page to the other. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User_talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup><nowiki/> <small>[[Forum:Javascript addtions to searchbox|current discussion]]</small> <small>Oct 26, 2008 <sub>@</sub> 12:46 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
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* I'm sure Sage Transformation contextually meant TT jinch form, with the Sage referring to Hagoromo
:Yamato calls Yin and Yang a kind of chakra nature manipulation in chapter 316. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] 20:19, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
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* Six Paths Sage Technique, yeah
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* Six Paths Sage Chakra seems to be the chakra that Six Paths Sage Technique uses
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* Six Paths Power is Sasuke's then
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* Sage Power refers to Senjutsu in general I would say
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* Six Paths Chakra I think is same as Six Paths Sage Chakra
   
::it could be yin and yang are spiritual and physical chakra more physical for transformations and more spiritual for mental techniques
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So to sort it out:
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* Six Paths Sage Technique, Six Paths Sage Chakra, Six Paths Chakra are the same
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* Six Paths Power though appears to be different, since Sasuke can't fly
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* We need to know what Kakashi says in the latest chapter now--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:11, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
== False info ==
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@MERC, what you say. So essentially we have Senjutsu TT chakra and non-Senjutsu TT chakra, seemingly--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:14, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
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: @Elve, Since TT is made of Senjutsu Chakra, then its residual Chakra is also Senjutsu.--[[User:MERCURIOUS|MERCURIOUS]] ([[User talk:MERCURIOUS|talk]]) 12:24, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
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::Possibly, but some people here don't want to hear about Sasuke having Senjutsu. Also if the all above are the same, then why Sasuke and Kakashi can't fly?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:29, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
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::: Not the same. When Sasuke gained the Yin Release power from Hagoromo, he gained the Six Paths Chakra (In his case Hagoromo's residual TT Chakra). In Kakashi's case he gained the Six Paths Chakra form Obito (This time from Madara's and the residual Chakra). But those who can fly, has something in common between them, which is the 9TB just like Seelentau said. In Naruto's case, Madara said that the Rikudou Senjutsu bloomed in his body. He had the 9TB Chakra and when Hagoromo gave him the Yang Power, there was some Six Paths Chakra (Which is the reason that it bloomed in his body). Long story short, The Rikudou Senjutsu didn't bloom in Sasuke's and Kakashi's body as there aren't enough Chakra.--[[User:MERCURIOUS|MERCURIOUS]] ([[User talk:MERCURIOUS|talk]]) 14:08, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Right. So the 3 of us do agree that Sasuke and Kakashi use Senjutsu though, right? And in case Naruto transfers a little bit of each TBs' chakras to Sasuke and Kakashi, they would get SPS and be able to use TSB I suppose--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:12, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
This article is full of what I believe is false info. Is there any proof that the "Cursed Seal chakra" and "Celestial Gates chakra" are any different from normal chakra? In fact, except for the Kyuubi's poisonous chakra, I don't recall the Bijuu having special chakra either. I don't even recall it being said that the Kyuubi has special chakra.
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I'm not gonna discuss this any further since I don't believe that we can say anything for sure yet, just in case you guys are missing my replies. Also, I don't think that Sasuke and Kakashi use Senjutsu. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:17, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
The only thing that's different between all these powers seems to be the power and "intent," the latter of which is simply how good or evil a character is.
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:They manage to harm Madara and Kaguya and we were told only Senjutsu chakra works.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:30, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
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::Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, Minato said "only Senjutsu and Taijutsu works" because Madara's freaking black balls negate all Ninjutsu and not because his body himself negates Ninjutsu? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:46, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:::How does taijutsu help against black orbs that turn you into dust?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:54, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
The elemental chakra part should probably be replaced with a piece about [[Nature Transformation]].
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:::@Seelentau, except you haven't noticed that (insert really long name for 'scorch' release jutsu here) did little if any damage at all (all we see is steam) whereas a senjutsu rasengan blows a huge hole in his back. Ninjutsu not working at all on the TT jinchuriki's body is heavily implied. I have more evidence, but I need to get to class. :P [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 19:09, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
There are multiple false statements and speculations throughout the article as well. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] 19:55, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
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:::: Well, I don't know about you lot @Mangekyou and @Elve, but, I watched Guy's fight with Madara and... whew... gonna take a ''huge'' leap here and... go ahead and declare taijutsu a winner. Furthermore, Minato was making the same warning they've made since they discovered TSB negates ninjutsu. Senjutsu is to counter the TSB and Taijutsu is to counter the Rinnegan's ability to absorb ninjutsu. That was specifically stated, but no one bothers going back past Minato's words to see ''why'' he said that. They'd rather stick their thumbs up their ass and pretend they know otherwise. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 21:00, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
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::::I simply second this. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:22, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
:/shrug The Eight Gates chakra section appears to be done by someone, not paying attention to what the Eight Gates does, and assumed they produced some special chakra. The demon chakra section from what I read it as, was simply a section talking about the demon's unique properties, (such as burning the skin, obvious odd color). Orochumaru's chakra...is an odd one and I assume was taken from the odd color Sasuke had (which the image displays) but otherwise, it was just a recap of what we already know about the Cursed Seals. Essentially, with the exception of the Eight Gates section, all of them are a recap of what different properties normal chakra can take without going into nature.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] 20:48, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
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This is why i got banned on a forum....
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People should know that six paths chakra is not senjutsu or naruto's mode that is a six path sage tehnique. Its alot of confusion since sasuke fans wants senjutsu for him... but i know already 2 japanease translators who said things are way different between this stuff...
   
::Removed the access stuff, and most of what I think wrong or unneeded. I do feel that an explaination of how the Eight Gates effect chakra should be in the normal section but...lord knows I can't figure out how to put it in there without making it any bigger...--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] 21:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
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Rikudou power/Rikudou chakra... Rikudou Senjutsu. Different stuff even tho they sound the same.[[User:Matianu.alexandruionut|Matianu.alexandruionut]] ([[User talk:Matianu.alexandruionut|talk]]) 21:37, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
:::I'm going to make a try, hope it will get good. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 07:01, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 
   
== Chakra Exhaustion ==
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Ummm, pretty sure Minato has never seen Madara absorb ninjutsu. He was on the other side of the battlefield in the instances where Madara did that, and if he thought only taijutsu would actually hurt, why did he attempt a rasengan aimed at him and not a shield (tsb) that Madara had (which he didn't)? [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 21:38, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:Who said Minato saw Madara absorb ninjutsu? Like Fox-boss said, Strong-enough Physical attacks can damage a Rinnegan user and also a TT jinchuuriki. Plus, Minato used a Sage Mode empowered Rasengan (only to get his other arm cut off). [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contribs)</sub>]] 00:53, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
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:: TTF seemed to be implying that Minato only said to use senjutsu specifically for the tsbs, and that ONLY taijutsu would work on Madara himself. Its true that Madara can absorb ninjutsu, but how would Minato know that? [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 02:36, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
I believe a section on Chakra Exhaustion should be added to the article or given one of it's own. It could detail what it is, various times characters have suffered from it's effects and ways to replenish or restore one-self's reservoirs. I bring it up because of two reasons: First, I can't find a section anywhere in the wiki talking about this and here is as good as any place and Second, I want the communities opinion before adding anything like this to the article. <font color="#0000A0"><del>¥</del> [[User:SuperN|S<small>uper</small> N<small>ovice</small>]] [[Special:Random|↔]] [[User talk:SuperN|T<small>alk</small> <sup>2</sup> M<small>e</small>]] <del>¥</del></font> 05:28, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
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::: Because, if you bothered to read, they pass information around several times about Obito and Madara's capabilities. For example, when the Alliance attacked Madara and Obito atop the Ten-Tails, Naruto had Rock Lee attack Madara because he would just absorb any ninjutsu they used against him. Naruto and his allies have repeated this information to each other so many times in this war, including after the Edo Kage's arrive, its astounding that people actually believe the Ten-Tails jinchūriki's ''body'' is immune to ninjutsu when nowhere in the entire manga is that ever stated. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 04:23, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
Good idea [[Special:Contributions/90.205.34.38|90.205.34.38]] ([[User talk:90.205.34.38|talk]]) 13:40, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
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Since @MangekyouSasuke can't read the manga, apparently, and @Elveonora needs physical evidence, I'll just post the quotes and the chapters here:
:I agree. I think it should be within the main article, after Chakra Control section maybe. --[[User:Kiadony|Kiadony]] ([[User talk:Kiadony|talk]]) 13:55, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
== yin-yang ==
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# The Senjutsu-counter was attributed directly to the TSB, ''not'' the jinchūriki itself. In chapter 642, all of their ninjutsu continues to be erased by Obito's TSB until Gamakichi uses Senjutsu on them and it is unable to be erased. From there, Tobirama then says: "''The Senjutsu attack by the Myobokuzan toad wasn't erased!''" From then on, Senjutsu was part of their attacks on the Ten-Tails' jinchūriki: both Obito and Madara. It is pointless using ordinary ninjutsu from then on because the TSB's can simply erase them. Minato later confirms this when Guy steps in to fight Madara in Chapter 668: "''Don't touch those black orbs or the staff!''" To which Kakashi tells Minato that his Senjutsu might work against them, prompting him to use Senjutsu: Rasengan.
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# Later, when Madara is completely revived (though, like I said, Naruto had Lee employ this earlier), Hashirama notes that Madara absorbs Sasuke's Amaterasu. This is chapter 657 and Hashirama says, with great shock, "''He can absorb ninjutsu!''" Naruto says immediately after that it is pointless to use ninjutsu on Madara. His exact words: "''Sasuke, its useless using ninjutsu on him!''" This is '''before Madara becomes the Ten-Tails jinchūriki''', proving he had resistance to ninjutsu ''before'' he became the host.
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Then after Madara becomes the jinchūriki, a strategy is conceived to deal with him: Senjutsu for the TSB and taijutsu to avoid the ninjutsu absorbing affects Madara has (strategy developed around 668). This nonsense that the Ten-Tails jinchūriki is immune to ninjutsu is absurd and not founded in any facts whatsoever. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 04:44, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
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:I'm not saying you are wrong. But I still consider the possibility open that only Senjutsu chakra is damaging to TT jinch. I don't remember the chapter, but there was some talk about natural energy working against natural energy, what was the context of that?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:07, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
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::If I recall correctly, the part about Madara absorbing Amaterasu was mistranslated in all instances... • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:27, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
ahem...now I believe yin and yang is clear. so can we add it to the article?{{unsigned|96.52.173.186}}
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http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=537667[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 19:55, September 7, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
:They're not clear as they weren't even mentioned in the chapter. Also, sign your posts. <font color="#0000A0"><del>¥</del> [[User:SuperN|S<small>uper</small> N<small>ovice</small>]] [[Special:Random|↔]] [[User talk:SuperN|T<small>alk</small> <sup>2</sup> M<small>e</small>]] <del>¥</del></font> 00:52, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
== Chakra control via hand signs ==
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it's written in its section that This type of chakra can be acquired by combining the chakra of both Hagoromo's sons, Indra and Asura...this is false...because madara would have otherwise gained this chakra the moment he awakened rinnegan...and also nagato & obito would have it too the moment they had his eyes...hagoromo only said that merging his sons' chakra would awaken HIS chakra...not six paths chakra...am I not right? --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 14:33, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
   
Would someone please cite the part where it says that people with better chakra control do not need as many hand signs? I will grant that it makes sense (similiar stuff in Eragon and Harry Potter) especially for explaining the 2nd Hokage, Driedara, Kakashi and Sasuke (lightning jutsu at least for the latter) plus a few other things, but it would still help to cite it with so many other kage level guys going around still doing hand signs. [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 04:19, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
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== Gift of the Hermit Group again ==
:Heck, there are several instances this would explain, though I would prefer seeing a source for this first since it is a tad controversial. [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 17:58, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
==Types of Chakra==
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shouldn't this part be in the non-canon section...since it's anime & game only...of course according to its only know jutsu debut info...I mean where did it appear in the manga... --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 11:33, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:It's canon, it's mentioned in the third databook. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:33, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
Shouldn't we add all of the different kinds of chakra under something like "Different Types of Chakra"? Also, if we are not so sure about the magnetic chakra used for the [[Iron Sand]] jutsu, shouldn't we at least add that to trivia? --[[User:GoDai|GoDai]] ([[User talk:GoDai|talk]]) 22:17, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
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how is it that it's mentioned in the databook but does NOT have any appearances in the manga itself :|... --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 11:35, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:It has. You just don't see it. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:00, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
I've been wondering something for quite sometime now: what exactly does it mean when a person possesses strong chakra such as the Uchiha or unique chakra such as Kushina Uzumaki? Is it an issue of quality or quantity? [[User:Master Shannara|Master Shannara]] ([[User talk:Master Shannara|talk]]) August 11, 2010 (UTC)
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OK where?... --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 12:04, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:When Kakuzu destroys the doors of the fire temple. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:09, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
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tell me the exact chapter & page that the chakra or its relevant jutsu has appeared...cuz I checked that arc & didn't C shit... --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 12:14, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:As I said, you don't see it. It's not visible to the eye and it's not mentioned in the manga. No jutsu, no visible chakra, nothing. Just that term from the databook. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:15, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Natural Chakra and Senjutsu Chakra ==
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so V R prioritizing the databook over the manga...? --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 12:22, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
Deva 27, why do you keep undoing my contributions to the chakra page? I don't wanna just keep reverting the changes on the page, so let's figure out a compromise. [[User:MochaShakaKhan|MochaShakaKhan]] ([[User talk:MochaShakaKhan|talk]]) 17:52, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
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& also the last time I remember...the data book is used to explain the things that have appeared in the manga...not the unseen & unheard... --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 12:24, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:The hermit gift chakra was used to reinforce the monk temple gate I believe--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:27, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
I don't think the trivia about a single technique is necessary. Also your edit made it seem like natural energy and senjutsu chakra are the same thing, which they aren't.--[[User:Deva 27|Deva 27]] ([[User talk:Deva 27|talk]]) 18:55, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
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::V R?
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::Exactly, Elve. See [[Sealed Iron Wall|this]] for more. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:30, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
Well i didn't say natural energy I said natural chakra, but anyway then what is the difference? I was under the impression that they were both basically the chakra found in nature. Some articles I have read seem to suggest they are the same. [[Tsuchigumo Style: Forbidden Life Technique Release: Creation of Heaven and Earth]]. My basic objective was to add some info about the nature of the [[Fury]] Jutsu and how it gathers natural chakra but I didn't want to make a whole new excerpt if it's the same thing as senjutsu chakra. [[User:MochaShakaKhan|MochaShakaKhan]] ([[User talk:MochaShakaKhan|talk]]) 22:30, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
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V R = we are
:Natural energy is only a component of senjutsu chakra, and I don't remember it ever being called natural chakra. Energy from nature doesn't become chakra until it is mixed with physical and spirtual energy within a ninja's body. It would probably be better to mention the trivia on the [[senjutsu]] page.--[[User:Deva 27|Deva 27]] ([[User talk:Deva 27|talk]]) 22:48, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
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thanx...got my answer... --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 12:33, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
 
== Chakra rotation ==
 
 
Guys.Althouth naruto has right rotation in his chakra he has been seen many times using rasengan which has a left rotation.Why is that happening?
 
Or can someone use jutsu with a different rotation than his own?{{unsigned|Madman361}}
 
:Everything that has been said about chakra rotation can be found [http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/151/10 here]. That is all we know about it. And sign your posts. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 18:53, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Is a child's chakra signature inherited? ==
 
 
Muu said that he could feel a chakra (Gaara's) that was simular to the fourth Kazekage. Does that mean that a child's chakra is inherited from it's parents? --[[User:Kai Maciel|Kai Maciel]] ([[User talk:Kai Maciel|talk]]) 08:09, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
 
:It's quite likely, since chakra is related to genes. {{unsigned|N 21}}
 
::I swore i added this to the article. --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez365]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 13:26, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Plasma Chakra ==
 
 
Should plasma chakra be added?--[[User:Red-kun|Red-kun]] ([[User talk:Red-kun|talk]]) 11:24, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
 
:Plasma chakra? —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 11:28, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
From the 4th Shippuden movie, it's around 76 minutes and 58 seconds, Choza was saying that Mukade had to have a weakness, but then Shibi looked up and told Choza that he had infinite chakra, saying that "the tower is transmitting plasma chakra to him".--[[User:Red-kun|Red-kun]] ([[User talk:Red-kun|talk]]) 11:39, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
That's probably the ryūmyaku chakra. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 14:03, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
Should it still be added anyway? There's already star chakra and dark chakra.--[[User:Red-kun|Red-kun]] ([[User talk:Red-kun|talk]]) 18:11, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Yellow chakra? ==
 
 
Is it true that chakra is actually yellow in the Manga? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:17, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 
:I don't think that was mentioned, except in Akatsuki Rising. When I activate the hyper mode in Temari, she was surrounded by Yellow chakra. _-_-=[[User:Ilnarutoanime|NejiLoverr26]] <sup> ([[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Ilnarutoanime|Contribs.]]-[[User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Links]]) </sup> [[File:Konohagakure_Symbol.svg|20 px]] 14:26, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 
::Naruto talks about normal chakra being yellow in chapter 91. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 14:51, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 
:::(edit conflict) I was under this impression once Seelentau for some reason. I'm not sure why though anymore =\ --[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]] [[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 14:53, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 
::::I think that color was just for Naruto, himself. I also find it interesting that Naruto has Yellow chakra..when Yellow is the color representing Air in some beliefs and Naruto's Nature affinity is Wind.[[User:Alexdhamp|Alexdhamp]] ([[User talk:Alexdhamp|talk]]) 19:33, October 1, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== name meaning ==
 
 
what does the word "chakra" mean?, just asking, --[[User:Caseather|Caseather]] ([[User talk:Caseather|talk]]) 22:06, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 
:It means 'wheel'. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 22:30, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Sensors having good chakra control ==
 
 
In the Chakra Control section it is said that sensors are good at it. Where is it mentioned in the manga? Or is it from somewhere else? --[[User:Kiadony|kiadony]] --[[User talk:Kiadony|talk to me]]-- 12:31, October 2, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Ryumyaku: Dragon veins chakra ==
 
 
i think a section on Ryumyaku: Dragon veins chakra should be added to the chakra page since it is actually likened to tailed beast chakra {{unsigned|82.145.210.41}}
 
 
I don't ever remember it being likened to Tailed Beast Chakra. It was just a large reservoir of chakra, similar to the vein of Gelel. Nothing special about it other than the volume of chakra. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 16:48, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== chakra flames??!! ==
 
In the movie [[Naruto Shippūden 3: Inheritors of the Will of Fire ]] whene hiruko used his [[Dark Release: Judgment ]] technique to fire the chakra tha he sucked from naruto and sai,the chakra that he fired was brifly shown burning out like real flames and it wasn't like real flames it was bleu flames. What was that all about?!!!!! --[[Special:Contributions/41.105.110.82|41.105.110.82]] ([[User talk:41.105.110.82|talk]]) 10:05, December 1, 2011 (UTC) charmanking 2198
 
 
== Sensing chakra ==
 
 
I was just wondering sensor type ninja can sense chakra on a wide range and its not somthing all ninja can do, but i hear most of ninja who are not sensery type saying:I CAN SENSE HIS CHAKRA or :I CAN FELL HIS CHAKRA HIS CLOSENING TO US ,and all sorts of things like that. What does that has to mean?? --[[Special:Contributions/41.105.110.82|41.105.110.82]] ([[User talk:41.105.110.82|talk]]) 17:11, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
 
:We don't know. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 17:16, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
I don't ever recall a non-Sensor type saying that they could feel someone's chakra closing in. The only time non-Sensors ever say anything about chakra (that I recall) is when they feel Tailed Beast Chakra, and even then, I only ever here then speak of how terrifying it is, not the amount of it. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 23:01, December 16, 2011 (UTC)
 
:Neither have I. Persons are able to detect "presences" but that's probably due to training and the honing of their senses or a sense. Not on the scale or range of what sensors do.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 23:20, December 16, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== chakra & genetics ==
 
 
I think it worth mentioning that Chakra seems to follow some type of genetic lineage, seeing as Muu can sense immense similarities between people whom related chakra's, as he did with Gaara and his father { its on muu's trivia section}
 
 
this should probably go in the chakra trivia section
 
 
[[User:Iowndisciti|Iowndisciti]] ([[User talk:Iowndisciti|talk]]) 20:21, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
:It's already mentioned in the article. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 20:26, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== More explanations ==
 
 
Two things:
 
# I was wondering if we could have somewhat formal definitions for what "life force" "vitality" [and possibly "stamina" as well] are. Though I'm not sure what article it'd go in or if we'd just make separate ones with the Naruto Terms category. I think it's necessary as a lot of times (for me at least) I tend to get them mixed up or conflated and since it's one of those major issues/things in the series, like chakra I think it's only fitting that it gets some sort of official mention.
 
# I can't remember the second one but I think I mushed it all up there↑. Anyway, thoughts? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:32, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Stamina is what is converted into chakra, Ebisu explained that early on. Life force and vitality are basically the same thing.--'''''[[User talk:Deva 27|Deva]] [[Special:Contributions/Deva 27|27]]''''' 15:01, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Ah I think I mean physical energy which I'm assuming would be the same as stamina now o.O? But still, isn't it worth mentioning what they are somewhere in an article?--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:12, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Yes, life force and vitality is the same thing. Physical energy is Yang chakra, Stamina is how much chakra one has--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:57, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Aye. I get that. I would like the question of whether or not the info should be represented in an article.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:09, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I think yes. Some articles have very little information in them and some expandation would be good--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:42, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
@Elveonora Why must you give false info? o3o Physical energy is NOT Yang Chakra. Yang is a nature transformation, Physical energy is a component of chakra along with Spiritual energy. It certainly appears or may have been said to be related to something to do with Physical energy, but they are not the same thing. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 13:52, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
So before we go off topic... Is it ok if stuff like this is mentioned in the chakra article under a little sub-heading? That is, after it's hammered out what they are exactly.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:58, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:I don't see why not. They been mentioned many times in the series and at least [[One's Own Life Reincarnation|these]] [[Sage Art: Inorganic Reincarnation|two]] techniques make use of "life force"/life, and the Uzumaki are supposed to have a rather powerful one. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 14:03, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
False info ? Give me a source that indicates that yang chakra and physical energy = 2 different things. We dont even know what Yang Release is, but sure chakra uses both physical and spiritual energies thus yin-yang--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:07, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:And this is what Cerez was trying to prevent. -sigh- There is no source that I've seen that says Yang=Physical energy. It has been known for nearly the entire series that Chakra=Physical+Spiritual energies combined. Yamato said that Yin and Yang are nature transformations, thus they are not what you're saying they are, which are the components of chakra. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 15:29, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
We know that The Elder son was born with Sage's Spiritual energy and The Younger son with Sage's Physical energy.
 
To use Izanagi/Creation of All Things, powers of both Uchiha and Senju are needed (thus Sage's spiritual and physical energies) and both techniques are Yin-Yang release ...
 
 
* Yin-Yang
 
* Dark-Light (Moom/Sun)
 
* Mind-Body (spiritual/physical)
 
 
or not ? ... --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:20, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Actually, the Uchiha are able to use Izanagi without the power of the Senju, shown by the fact that they deemed it a Kinjutsu. All Hashirama's cells do is improve/complete it. However, even that has nothing to do with Yin/Yang being Physical/Spiritual energy. There are likely connections between the two, but based on what has been said in the series, I can assure you that they've not been stated to be the same anywhere (unless, say, ShounenSuki comes in with a proper translation the says they are). But really, we're diverging from what this topic is over, so I suggest we move it to our talk pages if it's going to continue. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 17:17, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Oh, okay. I will ask ShounenSuki about this topic. But on topic, I'm for creating articles for those terms--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:17, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Don't use "SS" to refer to ShounenSuki. [[wikipedia:Schutzstaffel|SS]] has a very bad connotation. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:38, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Hope ur kidding "_"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:41, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:^No joke. Common narutopedia wikia knowledge.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:52, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== anime colors ==
 
 
"normal chakra" is colored as blue in the anime ... Naruto's chakra is yellow in the manga. Kyubi's chakra is red in both anime and manga.
 
But in the anime, the restrained/untainted/cleansed/purified whatever chakra of Kyubi's is blue and Naruto's chakra is also blue ... how did they come to color the "chakra mode" as golden/yellowish/orange ? Blue + blue = golden/yellowish/orange color ??? I fail to see their logic.
 
They should either correct their mistakes or stop f***ing things up, also viz. [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:The_Secret_of_the_Reanimation_Jutsu_%28episode%29#Colour_of_the_Chakra this convo]--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 01:19, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:Well, the anime can't make it any other color as pictures of it came out before they were able to modify it to their liking. There is no way they would bluntly ignore the manga like that so that's what they went with. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 06:01, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
They can always change it and switch to the correct colors but they simply won't ... it clearly contradicts the manga as chakra color differs between people, there's too much blue in the anime. No wonders people still think that basic Rasengan is Wind Release since it's blue (should be yellow in Naruto's case) I know they can't possibly know the colors, but they could try to improvise ... as long as it's not contradicting the manga, it's not a mistake.
 
Also, should not we mention how in trivia of this article about the colors ?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 07:16, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:It's already mentioned in the same part as the dojutsu's though I think it should be split up. It is true about the coloring but it would be too drastic of a change to go from everyone having blue to people having different colored chakra. It would confuse to many people and probably drop ratings like hell. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 07:22, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Chakra ==
 
 
I know the problems you guys are facing with the articles on Shion itself. However, is not it better to specify the chakra it here? For it is not common. I will. If you think wrong, favoe, delete. And check the spelling, my english is bad. [[User:FemaleUchiha|FemaleUchiha]] ([[User talk:FemaleUchiha|talk]]) 03:04, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Ten Tails ==
 
 
Should we add it in this section that the Ten tails is said to be the source of all chakra? {{Unsigned|46.17.233.102}}
 
 
Not just chakra, but pretty much everything (if the legend is true of course)--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:36, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Chakra mass and equivalents ==
 
 
Hey, i just noticed, the range and quantity (as in mass) of lightning release techniques and the other four releases are very different. A b rank lightning release technique, such as Lightning Release:False Darkness is smaller than a B-Rank Water Release:Water Dragon Bullet. Now, my REAL question is, can lightning release chakra be converted into the same amount of mass of a water dragon release technique, and still remain a B-Rank technique, not going above? Actually, can a fire release technique do this too? --[[User:Aeonophic|Aeonophic]] ([[User talk:Aeonophic|talk]]) 00:33, August 2, 2012 (UTC) Aeonophic
 
:As Ebisu explained to Naruto, different users may have to use different amount of chakra to preform the same technique. In his example, Sakura made five clones using the exact amount of chakra due to her excellent chakra control, while Sasuke had to use more chakra to get the same result. So I would guess it comes down to the users skill with chakra control. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 12:26, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Black and White Chakra ==
 
 
Why is there no mention of the positive black chakra 「+の黒チャクラ」 and negative white chakra 「−の白チャクラ」mentioned in Chapter 519? [[User:Atvalens|--Junky]] ([[User talk:Atvalens|talk]]) 10:29, September 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Yes,, that should be added to the tailed beast chakra section. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 15:59, September 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Lack of Sources ==
 
 
A large portion of this article is completely lacking in sources. The first section seems to repeat information in different ways and mix terms as well. Is there even a canon source for the statements about spiritual energy increasing by repeatedly practicing a specific jutsu? I'd imagine that it likely would have come from the first databook if anywhere.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 00:02, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Kakashi explained something like this early in the series, those examples are made-up tho, at least I think--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:44, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
The examples in the introduction paragraph are merely examples of general skill, ninjutsu, and genjutsu, which do spend chakra. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:54, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== life force topic ==
 
 
Ok, according to Cerez (as he had answered on naruto questions wiki) life force is chakra, can anyone provide a canonical source for such a thing? Not to mention he passes physical energy as stamina (this is likely true tho, but I don't remember it stated but I'm free to be mistaken just as anyone)
 
What Cerez suggests then is that the Younger Son had both high chakra amount and strong chakra. But the Elder Son was noted to have had strong chakra, meaning life force can't be the same thing, unless both had the same thing--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:59, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Life force seems to refer to two separate things, but not really chakra. "Life force" as in the natural vitality in Orochimaru and Hashirama's cells and "life force" as in a sort of life energy used in Rinne Tensei, Muki Tensei, etc. I'm wondering if the same term is used for both in Japanese or if it's two terms that translate to roughly the same thing.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 15:18, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Life force isn't chakra for 2 reasons:
 
# why would Kishimoto refer to the same thing with 2 terms?
 
# revive no jutsus use life force, if it were just chakra, how would that differ from chakra transfer technique (which doesn't bring dead back to life by the way) ???
 
Life force is simply what it says, force of life, power of health/vital energy or something like that.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:29, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
They're not the same, but they're related. The most canon example of it was Chiyo's One's Own Life Reincarnation. By her own admission, it uses life-force to give life to the subject of the technique, and Neji saw Chiyo using the technique using the Byakugan, and he mentioned something about her chakra flow during the technique. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:08, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
If you guys give me a chapter and a page, I can try to give you a proper translation. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:26, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I don't think there's any, what Omni says is likely the only canonical mention about it, that's why I was also wondering from where did Cerez get it--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:29, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Life force is not the same as Chakra, as Chiyo's Jutsu proves. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:42, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Thanks for clarification--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:56, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Going by what we've learned so far in the series, would it be accurate to say all living things are born with Yin and Yang? Of course very few can actually use those nature types.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 02:21, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== chapter 151 page 10 ==
 
 
Where is this information on the wiki about Naruto's chakra type? [[Special:Contributions/71.156.35.65|71.156.35.65]] ([[User talk:71.156.35.65|talk]]) 21:13, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
 

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Kabuto's caseEdit

Should we mention that chakra signatures can be altered by absorbing different chakra from multiple people, so that even a sensor can be fooled by the change? Noweeaboohoo (talk) 18:49, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

Bump. Noweeaboohoo (talk) 13:10, March 9, 2014 (UTC)
Do it yourself. It takes one sentence.--Elveonora (talk) 13:23, March 9, 2014 (UTC)
I wasn't giving somebody the order to do it, I was asking for opinions if it's worthwhile to add or not. I'm gonna add it as a first step. Noweeaboohoo (talk) 13:28, March 9, 2014 (UTC)

Gift of the Hermit Group Edit

Is there any reason Gift of the Hermit Group is not under Non-cannon types?--Cosmikaze (talk) 19:59, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Yes. The reason is, it's canon. Seelentau 愛 20:07, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

The Six Paths Chakra Edit

so I've been asking myself this question this past month...can we or can we not say that there's another type of chakra known as the six paths chakra...--DARK ZER06 (talk) 17:54, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

There isn't, just people making **** up as they see fit, but I no longer care. Six Paths Chakra simply means Hagoromo's chakra, Six Paths Technique means Hagoromo's technique and so on.--Elveonora (talk) 19:28, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
Or you're wrong. • Seelentau 愛 19:59, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

then let me rephrase my question...can we categorize hagoromo's chakra as a whole other type of chakra...same thing we do with the bijuu or etc...or is it to soon to think this way...--DARK ZER06 (talk) 20:45, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Nope.--Elveonora (talk) 21:23, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
His chakra is just special and powerful. We've been hearing about people with specially strong or unique chakra for the entire series. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:57, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Six Paths Chakra: Round Two Edit

Now we know about various people possessing Six Paths Chakra, and also that it enhances techniques to the point that they can harm Ten-Tails' jinchūriki (Madara and Kaguya) without apparently requiring them to be senjutsu. Any thoughts?--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 16:01, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think the term "Six Paths Chakra" was ever mentioned, was it? • Seelentau 愛 16:28, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
Sasuke mentioned it in this chapter while preparing his Chidori to attack Madara.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 16:41, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
He calls it Rikudō no Sennin Chakura (Sage Chakra of the Six Paths) while explaining Madara's Limbo. Then he says Naruto should use his Sage Chakra in a sealing technique but that's a mistranslation. He actually says Sennin no Chikara (Sage Power) and when he readies his Chidori he uses the term Rikudō no Chikara (Six Paths Power). • Seelentau 愛 17:17, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
Ah, alright. Then it's Six Paths Power (六道の力, Rikudō no Chikara), while I thought it was Six Paths Chakra (六道のチャクラ, Rikudō no Chakura). Sorry for the trouble.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 17:34, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
What does Kakashi say?--Elveonora (talk) 17:51, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
No idea, raw's not out yet. • Seelentau 愛 17:52, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
While the raws have yet to come out, the scans make him say "His (Obito's) dōjutsu/dōryoku was empowered by the Six Paths Power he gained!"--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 17:54, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

So if it truly is "six paths power" then Sasuke and Kakashi have the same power?--Elveonora (talk) 19:18, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

Probably. Their chakra turned black, so... • Seelentau 愛 19:30, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

Does Kakashi mention Naruto and Madara having Six Paths chakra (enabling flight) in 680, or is that also referring to Hagoromo's chakra (which Madara didn't technically have)?--BeyondRed (talk) 19:52, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

Kakashi did say that Naruto was able to fly just like Madara after gaining the Six Paths Power.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 19:57, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
I think he calls it Rikudō no Chakura. • Seelentau 愛 20:08, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
Ugh, so how many different terms do we have? Some of them must be synonymous--Elveonora (talk) 21:10, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, was the Chidori and Raikiri confirmed to be black, or is that just an assumption? I'm confused. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contribs) 21:28, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it's black. • Seelentau 愛 21:36, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
  • Rikudō no Sennin Chakura - mentioned by Sasuke
  • Rikudō no Chakura - mentioned by Kakashi
  • Sennin no Chikara - mentioned by Sasuke
  • Rikudō no Chikara - mentioned by Sasuke
  • Rikudō no Senjutsu - mentioned by Madara
  • Senninka - mentioned by Madara

Anything else? • Seelentau 愛 21:36, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

So it is black? Where did you get the confirmation? I'd like to know. Not doubting or ridiculing your statement or anything, just a question. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contribs) 21:42, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
It's black in the manga? o.ö • Seelentau 愛 21:47, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
Yea but so is Karin's hair in the manga. Shouldn't we wait to see what the anime or colored manga shows first? I mean I don't doubt it being black but... I thought we determined colors after the anime/colored manga shows, not decide from the b&w manga. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contribs) 21:52, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
Yes, but for now it's black. • Seelentau 愛 21:56, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, so allow my mind to wrap around this:

  • Rikudo no Sennin Chakura, Rikudo no Chakura and Rikudo no Chikara are likely to be the same thing
  • Sennin no Chikara is unspecified, refers to any Senjutsu power
  • Rikudo no Senjutsu is either the same as the first or a separate thing, this is what we need to figure out

Can you specify the context of each Seel?--Elveonora (talk) 21:55, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe tomorrow. • Seelentau 愛 21:56, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
Sure, anytime.--Elveonora (talk) 21:58, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
I think the main problem is that we don't know what the Six Paths are, if they're just short for "Rikudo Sennin" or something different. • Seelentau 愛 22:01, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I think @Elveo is right. Rikudo no Sennin Chakura (Sage of the Six Paths' chakra, mentioned by Sasuke when analyzing Limbo), Rikudo no Chakura (Six Paths Chakra, again mentioned by Sasuke when infusing it with his Chidori), and Rikudo no Chikara (Six Paths' power, mentioned by Kakashi after getting Obito's eyes) are probably the same thing. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contribs) 22:07, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

Alright, let's give it a try:

  • Senninka - Obito apparently used it in the staff he created from Black Zetsu. He got that power from Madara, it simply means Sage Transformation. Important note: Madara had not absorbed the tree at that time.
  • Rikudō no Senjutsu - Naruto obtained it after meeting Hagoromo and assembling all TB inside him. Madara said he possesses the same power. Since he didn't meet Hagoromo, it's impossible that the power comes from the Sage. Since Naruto never absorbed the Shinju, it's impossible that it comes from the tree, either. So the source of this technique/power are the 9TB.
  • Rikudō no Sennin Chakura - Sasuke says that this chakra can wound the limbo clone. Naruto used his TSB staff to inflict the wound, meaning that the TSB are made from this chakra.
  • Rikudō no Chikara - Sasuke starts his Chidori and says that he also uses the Six Paths Power. This is obviously whatever power Hagoromo gave him and what resulted in the crescent moon on his palm and the black Chidori. Kakashi most likely mentions it in the latest chapter, his Raikiri turns black, too.
  • Sennin no Chikara - Sasuke says that Naruto should prepare a technique using this power. It most likely refers to the sage power Naruto obtained.
  • Rikudō no Chakura - Kakashi says that this is the reason Naruto can fly, since Madara could do it too after obtaining this chakra. • Seelentau 愛 10:50, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

Additional note for Rikudō no Senjutsu: Maybe it's the part Hagoromo gave Naruto and inherited to Ashura (and in turn Hashirama). Madara stole it from Hashirama and Obito in turn from Madara. But then, Naruto would've already possessed it so there was no need for Hagoromo to give it to him... • Seelentau 愛 11:34, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

I would like to give my opinion on this.

First about the Six Paths. Every mention of Six Paths came from Madara and Obito. Obito after he became TT's Jinchuuriki, he said that he became the Second Sage of the Six Paths. Madara after sealing the TT in his body, said that this is the Six Paths' Power. Yet Kaguya who is the TT never call herself as such. Obito also said that the Sage left the boundary of humans when he became Jinchuuriki, although they were talking about Chibaku Tensei, a Rinnegan Power.

From this we can conclude that Madara and Obito believe that the Ten-Tails is Hagoromo's power. Now about the Sage himself, although he isn't a Jinchuuriki anymore, he still has the residual Chakra of the TT. So, when he gave his Chakra to Sasuke and Naruto, it was his Chakra and the TT residual Chakra. In turn, the TT's Chakra is Senjutsu.

For Obito, he had his own Uchiha+Senju Chakra, he had Residual TT Chakra and Madara's Chakra. That's enough for Kakashi to have Chakra similar to Sasuke's. In other words, for Obito and Madara the TT is a power belonged Hagoromo, and they called it SP power, in turn people like Kakashi started to call it the same as well. While for Sasuke who gained his power from the Sage of the Six Paths, he also calls it Six Paths.

So you can get this, Six Paths Power refers to everything Hagoromo/TT. And there are two things that fall under Six Paths Power. The First is Six Paths Chakra. The Second is Six Paths Sage Technique. Those with Rikudou Senjutsu also has SP Chakra, but the ones with SP Chakra doesn't have Rikudou Senjutsu.--MERCURIOUS (talk) 12:10, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

@Seel,

  • I'm sure Sage Transformation contextually meant TT jinch form, with the Sage referring to Hagoromo
  • Six Paths Sage Technique, yeah
  • Six Paths Sage Chakra seems to be the chakra that Six Paths Sage Technique uses
  • Six Paths Power is Sasuke's then
  • Sage Power refers to Senjutsu in general I would say
  • Six Paths Chakra I think is same as Six Paths Sage Chakra

So to sort it out:

  • Six Paths Sage Technique, Six Paths Sage Chakra, Six Paths Chakra are the same
  • Six Paths Power though appears to be different, since Sasuke can't fly
  • We need to know what Kakashi says in the latest chapter now--Elveonora (talk) 12:11, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

@MERC, what you say. So essentially we have Senjutsu TT chakra and non-Senjutsu TT chakra, seemingly--Elveonora (talk) 12:14, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

@Elve, Since TT is made of Senjutsu Chakra, then its residual Chakra is also Senjutsu.--MERCURIOUS (talk) 12:24, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
Possibly, but some people here don't want to hear about Sasuke having Senjutsu. Also if the all above are the same, then why Sasuke and Kakashi can't fly?--Elveonora (talk) 12:29, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
Not the same. When Sasuke gained the Yin Release power from Hagoromo, he gained the Six Paths Chakra (In his case Hagoromo's residual TT Chakra). In Kakashi's case he gained the Six Paths Chakra form Obito (This time from Madara's and the residual Chakra). But those who can fly, has something in common between them, which is the 9TB just like Seelentau said. In Naruto's case, Madara said that the Rikudou Senjutsu bloomed in his body. He had the 9TB Chakra and when Hagoromo gave him the Yang Power, there was some Six Paths Chakra (Which is the reason that it bloomed in his body). Long story short, The Rikudou Senjutsu didn't bloom in Sasuke's and Kakashi's body as there aren't enough Chakra.--MERCURIOUS (talk) 14:08, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
Right. So the 3 of us do agree that Sasuke and Kakashi use Senjutsu though, right? And in case Naruto transfers a little bit of each TBs' chakras to Sasuke and Kakashi, they would get SPS and be able to use TSB I suppose--Elveonora (talk) 14:12, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not gonna discuss this any further since I don't believe that we can say anything for sure yet, just in case you guys are missing my replies. Also, I don't think that Sasuke and Kakashi use Senjutsu. • Seelentau 愛 14:17, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

They manage to harm Madara and Kaguya and we were told only Senjutsu chakra works.--Elveonora (talk) 14:30, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, Minato said "only Senjutsu and Taijutsu works" because Madara's freaking black balls negate all Ninjutsu and not because his body himself negates Ninjutsu? • Seelentau 愛 16:46, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
How does taijutsu help against black orbs that turn you into dust?--Elveonora (talk) 16:54, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
@Seelentau, except you haven't noticed that (insert really long name for 'scorch' release jutsu here) did little if any damage at all (all we see is steam) whereas a senjutsu rasengan blows a huge hole in his back. Ninjutsu not working at all on the TT jinchuriki's body is heavily implied. I have more evidence, but I need to get to class. :P MangekyoSasuke (talk) 19:09, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
Well, I don't know about you lot @Mangekyou and @Elve, but, I watched Guy's fight with Madara and... whew... gonna take a huge leap here and... go ahead and declare taijutsu a winner. Furthermore, Minato was making the same warning they've made since they discovered TSB negates ninjutsu. Senjutsu is to counter the TSB and Taijutsu is to counter the Rinnegan's ability to absorb ninjutsu. That was specifically stated, but no one bothers going back past Minato's words to see why he said that. They'd rather stick their thumbs up their ass and pretend they know otherwise. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 21:00, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
I simply second this. • Seelentau 愛 21:22, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

This is why i got banned on a forum.... People should know that six paths chakra is not senjutsu or naruto's mode that is a six path sage tehnique. Its alot of confusion since sasuke fans wants senjutsu for him... but i know already 2 japanease translators who said things are way different between this stuff...

Rikudou power/Rikudou chakra... Rikudou Senjutsu. Different stuff even tho they sound the same.Matianu.alexandruionut (talk) 21:37, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

Ummm, pretty sure Minato has never seen Madara absorb ninjutsu. He was on the other side of the battlefield in the instances where Madara did that, and if he thought only taijutsu would actually hurt, why did he attempt a rasengan aimed at him and not a shield (tsb) that Madara had (which he didn't)? MangekyoSasuke (talk) 21:38, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

Who said Minato saw Madara absorb ninjutsu? Like Fox-boss said, Strong-enough Physical attacks can damage a Rinnegan user and also a TT jinchuuriki. Plus, Minato used a Sage Mode empowered Rasengan (only to get his other arm cut off). WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contribs) 00:53, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
TTF seemed to be implying that Minato only said to use senjutsu specifically for the tsbs, and that ONLY taijutsu would work on Madara himself. Its true that Madara can absorb ninjutsu, but how would Minato know that? MangekyoSasuke (talk) 02:36, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
Because, if you bothered to read, they pass information around several times about Obito and Madara's capabilities. For example, when the Alliance attacked Madara and Obito atop the Ten-Tails, Naruto had Rock Lee attack Madara because he would just absorb any ninjutsu they used against him. Naruto and his allies have repeated this information to each other so many times in this war, including after the Edo Kage's arrive, its astounding that people actually believe the Ten-Tails jinchūriki's body is immune to ninjutsu when nowhere in the entire manga is that ever stated. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 04:23, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

Since @MangekyouSasuke can't read the manga, apparently, and @Elveonora needs physical evidence, I'll just post the quotes and the chapters here:

  1. The Senjutsu-counter was attributed directly to the TSB, not the jinchūriki itself. In chapter 642, all of their ninjutsu continues to be erased by Obito's TSB until Gamakichi uses Senjutsu on them and it is unable to be erased. From there, Tobirama then says: "The Senjutsu attack by the Myobokuzan toad wasn't erased!" From then on, Senjutsu was part of their attacks on the Ten-Tails' jinchūriki: both Obito and Madara. It is pointless using ordinary ninjutsu from then on because the TSB's can simply erase them. Minato later confirms this when Guy steps in to fight Madara in Chapter 668: "Don't touch those black orbs or the staff!" To which Kakashi tells Minato that his Senjutsu might work against them, prompting him to use Senjutsu: Rasengan.
  2. Later, when Madara is completely revived (though, like I said, Naruto had Lee employ this earlier), Hashirama notes that Madara absorbs Sasuke's Amaterasu. This is chapter 657 and Hashirama says, with great shock, "He can absorb ninjutsu!" Naruto says immediately after that it is pointless to use ninjutsu on Madara. His exact words: "Sasuke, its useless using ninjutsu on him!" This is before Madara becomes the Ten-Tails jinchūriki, proving he had resistance to ninjutsu before he became the host.

Then after Madara becomes the jinchūriki, a strategy is conceived to deal with him: Senjutsu for the TSB and taijutsu to avoid the ninjutsu absorbing affects Madara has (strategy developed around 668). This nonsense that the Ten-Tails jinchūriki is immune to ninjutsu is absurd and not founded in any facts whatsoever. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 04:44, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not saying you are wrong. But I still consider the possibility open that only Senjutsu chakra is damaging to TT jinch. I don't remember the chapter, but there was some talk about natural energy working against natural energy, what was the context of that?--Elveonora (talk) 10:07, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
If I recall correctly, the part about Madara absorbing Amaterasu was mistranslated in all instances... • Seelentau 愛 10:27, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=537667KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 19:55, September 7, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

it's written in its section that This type of chakra can be acquired by combining the chakra of both Hagoromo's sons, Indra and Asura...this is false...because madara would have otherwise gained this chakra the moment he awakened rinnegan...and also nagato & obito would have it too the moment they had his eyes...hagoromo only said that merging his sons' chakra would awaken HIS chakra...not six paths chakra...am I not right? --DARK ZER06 (talk) 14:33, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Gift of the Hermit Group again Edit

shouldn't this part be in the non-canon section...since it's anime & game only...of course according to its only know jutsu debut info...I mean where did it appear in the manga... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 11:33, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

It's canon, it's mentioned in the third databook. • Seelentau 愛 11:33, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

how is it that it's mentioned in the databook but does NOT have any appearances in the manga itself :|... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 11:35, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

It has. You just don't see it. • Seelentau 愛 12:00, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

OK where?... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 12:04, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

When Kakuzu destroys the doors of the fire temple. • Seelentau 愛 12:09, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

tell me the exact chapter & page that the chakra or its relevant jutsu has appeared...cuz I checked that arc & didn't C shit... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 12:14, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

As I said, you don't see it. It's not visible to the eye and it's not mentioned in the manga. No jutsu, no visible chakra, nothing. Just that term from the databook. • Seelentau 愛 12:15, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

so V R prioritizing the databook over the manga...? --DARK ZER06 (talk) 12:22, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

& also the last time I remember...the data book is used to explain the things that have appeared in the manga...not the unseen & unheard... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 12:24, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

The hermit gift chakra was used to reinforce the monk temple gate I believe--Elveonora (talk) 12:27, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
V R?
Exactly, Elve. See this for more. • Seelentau 愛 12:30, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

V R = we are thanx...got my answer... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 12:33, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

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