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==Origins==
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Its says that the Sharingan is an offshoot of the Byakugan however it shows that on his death bed the Sage of the Six Paths left the Sage's "Eyes" to his oldest son and the Sage's body to his youngest son. Later the older brother would found the Uchiha Clan and would wield the First Sharingan while the younger brother founded the Senju Clan and its say the Rinnegan laid the groundwork for the Sharingan and Byakugan that mean the Byakugan must be a mutation of the Sharingan.{{unsigned|71.93.145.171|4 September 2009, 19:57 (UTC)}}
 
   
:If they're related at all. I don't believe it's ever been stated officially, and it's looking less likely in light of today's revelations. [[User:TomServo101|TomServo101]] ([[User talk:TomServo101|talk]]) 20:10, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::Three things:
 
::# Sign your posts;
 
::# The older brother didn't found the Uchiha clan, his descendants did;
 
::# It is still possible that the Rinnegan first evolved into the Byakugan and then into the Sharingan.
 
::--[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 20:44, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:::But that's a speculation that takes the Sharingan theory further.--[[User:Bleachshinigami|Bleachshinigami]] ([[User talk:Bleachshinigami|talk]]) 17:02, May 14, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::::The Sharingan being derived from the Byakugan is still a canon speculation, that is, an in-universe speculation. As such, we list it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:10, May 14, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:::::After Tobi's words about the Uchiha Clan being directly descent from the Sage of Six Paths, and the revelation that the Sharingan can eventually evolve into the Rinnegan, given the proper conditions, how can it still be valid speculation? Canon itself has disproven that speculation, making the theory dead and buried. The Byakugan has no relation to the Sage's bloodline whatsoever, or the Rinnegan; it's just another Kekkei Genkai that happens to be a Doujutsu, with no relation to the Sharingan or the Rinnegan. [[User talk:Catalyst75]]
 
 
:::::::People still believed in-universe, that the Sharingan derived from the Byakugan at some point. Because this happened in the manga, we list it. We know Shukaku isn't the spirit of a corrupted priest, but we still list that people from Suna came to believe that. It's the same thing here. Why are people so stubborn to remove something that is perfectly valid? However wrong the characters may be, this is still something that some of them thought to be true. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:07, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:There are still several ways in which the Sharingan can have its origin in the Byakugan. It could be that the Elder Son's dōjutsu first developed into the Byakugan and only then into the Sharingan; it could be that the wife of the Elder Son —or even the Sage of the Six Paths— was a Byakugan wielder; it could be that some of the Elder Son's descendants had children with a Byakugan wielder, leading to the first Uchiha; or it could be any of a dozen other possibilities. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 19:10, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
It is hard to believe that the byakugan is related to the rennigan or the sharingan at all. If this is the case, however...as you all know, the Sharingan Ancestor eye technique was possessed by the Sage's son. The same son that eventually produced offsprings that would become the Uchiha Clan. Taking the physical appearance of the Ancestor Eye and Tobi's statement saying that "he inherited his father's eyes," we could say that the rennigan devolved from father to son. This would make the sharigan, itself, the next step.(only by achieving great experience and power over the sharingan and the EMS could you break the genetic barrier and evolve your eyes back into its ancestor, the Rennegan.) If the three eye techniques are related in anyway, then the next logical step in the devolution would be that the Byakugan is the devolution of the sharigan, not the other way around. The difference between the two eye technique's power and the chance of advancing the power supports this arguement.[[User:YonbiAzai|YonbiAzai]] ([[User talk:YonbiAzai|talk]]) 05:34, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
@Omnibender From things that were said '''ten years ago''' which have never been brought up again in-story? People are stubborn to have something like a rumor removed because that rumor was out-right proven untrue. Keeping that rumor alive only fuels unwanted speculation and theories about the Byakugan's impossible relations to the Rinnegan and the Sharingan. The whole of the Ninja World likely knows now about the truth behind the Sharingan and Rinnegan's origins, so shouldn't a now dead rumor be removed? {{unsigned|Catalyst75}}
 
:I don't think you get it. The Byakugan could '''easily''' have been a dojusu that evolved from the Sage's Elder son first, and then those that possessed it branched off, while the others eventually developed the Sharingan. Regardless of whether or not that is the case, it is believed by characters in the series to possibly be true, so that's why it's listed. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 16:44, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
::Again, this is much like Shukaku and Matatabi being previously thought to be corrupted spirits. The Sharingan itself was in the beginning of the series implied to read minds or see the future. In both cases, this is not what happens, but it's kept there because it's what the characters thought. All those are properly indicated to be beliefs, not in-universe facts. If people can't use common sense and good judgement, that's beyond our influence. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:52, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
 
== Genjutsu ==
 
== Genjutsu ==
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Where was it ever said in the manga or databooks that Byakugan could see through genjutsu? [[User:Yahyanime|Yahyanime]] ([[User talk:Yahyanime|talk]]) 11:31, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:When Obito fought the Eight Man Squad, Hinata said Obito's phasing wasn't genjutsu. Ao recognised that Yagura was under genjutsu as well, which is why he was suspicious during the Five Kage Summit. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 15:11, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
can the byakugon see through genjutsu?{{unsigned|86.21.204.75}}
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== Extending Genjutsu ==
:it was stated that the three main dojutsus cannot be fooled by visual genjutsu but it is possible to use other forms of genjutsu on them e.g. auditory genjutsu --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez365]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 16:57, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
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So far I've heard several people reference this wiki page as though it was proof that using byakugan and sharingan together could extend the visual genjutsu. So, I checked the reference (page 9 of chapter 671) as well as all other points in the manga where Kaguya shows up/sharingan genjutsu is used. There were several translations for the reference shown, but in the end it simply states that she had both doujutsu and used both their powers to devastate people. There is no note of using the byakugan to apply the sharingan genjutsu whatsoever. There is no instance within the manga where she does so without it being stated, either.
 
Ao wields a Byakugan, he said he saw through the (Sharingan) Genjutsu placed on the Third Mizukage. However, the Byakugan article is mute about this ability.{{unsigned|206.53.157.87 }}
 
:The two aren't necessarily related. Ao could have merely been good friends with Yagura and noticed subtle changes to his personality as a result of imperfect Complete Hypnosis. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 19:46, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
 
:: Ao also saw through the genjutsu placed on Mifune and he didn't know him. And i'm pretty sure that it was already said that the three dojutsus can see through all forms of nin, tai and genjutsu... --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez365]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 19:53, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::He didn't see through anything; he got suspicious of why things were going so well for Danzo. With his Byakugan he could see Shisui's components and, knowing Shisui to be rizzle good with genjutsu, figured things out. See Hinata's encounter with Tobi for a clearer example of how Byakugan-users identify genjutsu. She looked for someone performing a genjutsu, not some sort of chakra differentiation on herself or her teammates. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 20:04, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::No, the three dojutsus introduced so far can't see through ALL forms of ninjutsu. the byakugan can't even differentiate a real body from a kage bunshin, and the byakugan is the most superior out of all dojutsus in terms of insight. [[User:Neji Swirl|Neji Swirl]]
 
::::Didn't Ao mention that the Byakugan was able to see through the genjutsu on Yagura? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:46, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::I'm tired of trying to point that out. It was actually said before in the manga but just mentioned in passing. But wasn't "confirmed" until Ao said he saw through the one placed on Yagura--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez365]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 03:42, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::But did he see that Yagura was under someone's influence, or did he see someone doing the influencing? Other examples suggest the latter. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 05:26, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== kirigakure ==
 
 
Kirigakure has a Hyuuga Member? --[[User:KiumaruHamachi|KiumaruHamachi]] ([[User talk:KiumaruHamachi|talk]]) 23:03, March 30, 2010 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
 
:No, [[Ao]] stole the Byakugan from a Hyūga clan member. <font color="#0000A0"><del>¥</del> [[User:SuperN|S<small>uper</small> N<small>ovice</small>]] [[Special:Random|↔]] [[User talk:SuperN|T<small>alk</small> <sup>2</sup> M<small>e</small>]] <del>¥</del></font> 23:07, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
 
::I for got about him. [[User:KiumaruHamachi|KiumaruHamachi]] ([[User talk:KiumaruHamachi|talk]]) 23:09, March 30, 2010 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
 
 
== Single Byakugan ==
 
Hinata using only her right Byakugan, you can see that her left one is inactive, indicated that the veins are not visible. Or should we consider this to be a typo? [[User:Yatanogarasu|Yatanogarasu]] 10:52, April 3 2010 (UTC)
 
:There is a discussion on this in [[Hinata]]'s [[Talk:Hinata Hyūga#Only one byakugan?|talkpage]]. <font color="#0000A0"><del>¥</del> [[User:SuperN|S<small>uper</small> N<small>ovice</small>]] [[Special:Random|↔]] [[User talk:SuperN|T<small>alk</small> <sup>2</sup> M<small>e</small>]] <del>¥</del></font> 17:55, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
==Can the byakugan read movements==
 
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:Do you mean like the sharingan? [[User:DevilN|DevilN]] ([[User talk:DevilN|talk]]) 21:48, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 
::Yes, neji read hinata's movements during their fight, he also hit every kunai kidomaru sent at him accurately with his 64 and 128, hinata read genno bird summon's movements for naruto to hit it with a rasengan. I wanted dis to be added 2 d byakugan page. And also its d best in seeing chakra flow
 
:If you mean how the sharingan does where you get an actual image of the attack before it happens then no, however, because they have a great field of vision they can effectively anticipate their foes movements.[[User:Cerez365|Cerez365]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 22:06, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 
:: I agree with Cerez365, byakugan can't copy or see the attack before it happens but it's more accurate in seeing chakra flow(I don't know which is better Rinnegan or Byakugan). [[User:DevilN|DevilN]] ([[User talk:DevilN|talk]]) 22:17, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 
But the byakugan can effectively read fast movements allowing the user to strike accurately even though it does not give an image before a strike like d sharingan. Like the example i gave above, neji hit every one of kidomaru's kunais with his 64 and 128. If he couldn't read its movements he wouldn't know the right time to hit each kunai. In essence he would just b throwing his hands. And also d hinata and genno's bird thing. Shikamaru said it clearly:"hinata use your byakugan to read its movements"
 
 
== Predicting movements and identifying Genjutsu ==
 
 
Can d byakugan see fast movements due 2 the influxes or changes in a person's chakra and also fast moving objects as shown during hinata vs neji and neji vs kidomaru respectively. Genjutsu: during d yakumo kurama arc hinata saw through yakumo's uncle's genjutsu. If yes, can this be added to the byakugan page
 
 
The Byakugan has near perfect vision regardless of speed unless their movements are completely erased they can see it. As for genjutsu it was already said that they 3 great dojutsus cannot be fooled by visual genjutsu... [[User:Cerez365|Cerez365]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 16:56, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
Sorry, for not signing[[User:Neji of the gentle fist|Neji of the gentle fist]] ([[User talk:Neji of the gentle fist|talk]]) 18:38, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
 
==Can byakugan copy techniques?==
 
I think the copy techniques, if a sharingan user is there.Let us say a hyuga and uchiha member are fighting someone like hiruzen and hashirama, and hiruzen does earth style wall and since sharingan can not see through objects, the hyuga member can see through it and see the hand seals,amount of chkra used and do it,since a hyuga cannot use elemental techniques,he can tell the uchiha member the hand seals and amount of chakra used,the uchiha member can now copy the technique through the hyuga member right?if yes then we can add it to the main article.[[sazae (talk)]]
 
 
:No. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 19:30, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
U see sazae, i told u that d hyuuga's byakugan can't copy. That plan won't work.[[User:Neji of the gentle fist|Neji of the gentle fist]] ([[User talk:Neji of the gentle fist|talk]]) 16:24, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Chakra flow ==
 
 
Is it only the sharingan that can see chakra flow. Allowing them to know when someone is in genjutsu due to irregularity of chakra flow. Can't the byakugan see chakra flow and also know this. If yes, it can be added to the main article[[User:Neji of the gentle fist|Neji of the gentle fist]] ([[User talk:Neji of the gentle fist|talk]]) 16:39, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 
: Uhm, this isn't a forum for answering your questions unless it pertains to the main article... yes the byakugan can see chakra flow (there might be variations of how between it and the sharingan) so therefore they can see irregularities in chakra --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez365]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 18:08, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 
Oh....yeah.....OK....thanks.[[User:Neji of the gentle fist|Neji of the gentle fist]] ([[User talk:Neji of the gentle fist|talk]]) 20:00, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Ao and illusions ==
 
 
"He doesn't see through it. And even then it's about the Byakugan and not the Hyuga" - ''Snapper2''
 
 
First off all, sorry about that, that was my fault. Problem with having a bunch of tabs open - I though I was on the byakugan page and meant to edit there. Second, what you say confuses me. Both the manga and Ao's article on this site state that he "saw through" Danzo's sharingan-cast illusion. If anything, does this (Ao's own statement) not provide all the evidence needed to conclude that he (and not necessarily the entire Hyuga clan, since none of them have displayed such an ability) can use the byakugan to see through genjutsu? Or is there something in the translation that suggests otherwise? --[[User:Xepeyon|Xepeyon]] <small>'''''[[User talk:Xepeyon|You Speak,]] [[Special:Contributions/Xepeyon|I've Spoken]]'''''</small> 02:35, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 
:He didn't see through Danzo's illusion, he was able to tell Mifune was under an illusion because he recognized Shisui's chakra.--[[User:Deva 27|Deva 27]] ([[User talk:Deva 27|talk]]) 02:47, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 
::What may I ask is the difference? Isn't identifying and recognizing an illusion via chakra what one would call "seeing through it"? The description is identical to what Obito did in Kakashi Gaiden (different method used; by his own words, Ao saw Shisui's chakra and identified a genjutsu, whereas Obito noticed the disturbance in Rin's chakra to come to that conclusion, but they both used same method of observation - this and the former are the only real insight we're given in how dojutsu interact with genjutsu). And even so, how could you discern anything otherwise, given what Ao (and through extension, Kishi) said? Honestly, to me, it sounded about as clear-cut as it gets. I am confused at the reasoning behind this. --[[User:Xepeyon|Xepeyon]] <small>'''''[[User talk:Xepeyon|You Speak,]] [[Special:Contributions/Xepeyon|I've Spoken]]'''''</small> 03:03, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::There is a difference. Obito noticed the difference in Rin's, the target's, chakra. Ao noticed the difference in Danzo's, the caster's, chakra. See Hinata's encounter with Tobi for a clearer example of how Byakugan-users identify genjutsu. She looked for someone performing a genjutsu, not some sort of chakra differentiation on herself or her teammates. Such suggests that the Byakugan cannot identify ''what'' is a genjutsu (thus "seeing through it"), but merely whether or not a genjutsu is in use. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 03:29, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 
::::I see your point, and I agree with most of that. Someone else brought a point almost exactly like this to my attention months ago, which is why I agree that is has yet to be displayed by any Hyuga (not to mention the fact that no more than two have - however shortly - ever had the spotlight on them). However that can be attributed to the user, not the technique. The case of the Sharingan (as explained by Zetsu during Sasuke v. Itachi) shows that dojutsu are a tool, and it is up to the user to determine how skilled they are with it. Yes, I know it's all the moot point, but remember: the upper limits of the Byakugan have never been shown.
 
 
::::Maybe Hinata wasn't skilled enough, maybe she thought her (finding the user) way was better, maybe she simply couldn't do it at all - we really don't know (and given the attention the Byakugan is given in this manga, or lack thereof, we probably won't). But Ao's case is the first and only clearly and plainly stated case where the Byakugan was ''literally'' stated as "seeing through" a genjutsu. This is why I attribute this to Ao and his personal prowess as opposed to the Huyga in its entity. With the amount of vague information we have all-in-all, it is difficult to take things at face value and not be skeptical, but there is, as of yet, no basis for disputing Ao's concretely stated ability. We don't have enough information to make an argument (that is manga/databook-based argument) proving otherwise.
 
 
::::So what it comes down to is this; The Hyuga have ''never'' shown themselves seeing through genjutsu. Ao ''has proven'' himself capable of seeing through genjutsu ''with'' the Byakugan. Skepticism of past events aside, this proves that - at the very least - the Byakugan is at least minimally capable of seeing through genjutsu. Perhaps Ao's manner of doing so is different, but I don't see how you can come to any other conclusion. --[[User:Xepeyon|Xepeyon]] <small>'''''[[User talk:Xepeyon|You Speak,]] [[Special:Contributions/Xepeyon|I've Spoken]]'''''</small> 04:38, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:::::I doubt Ao would be have Byakugan capabilities that a Hyuga does not. It's unfortunate that genjutsu are used so rarely, particularly when in the presence of a dojutsu user; Rinnegan's got 1, Byakugan's got 2 (~3), and the Sharingan gives more than it takes. Perhaps we just need to come up with a way of differentiating how/what the Sharingan "sees through" and how/what the Byakugan "sees through". '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 05:52, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:::::Ao is older and has had his byakugan longer, he has to have combined his byakugan abilities with his own, although they would be irregular he got it during a war, and has seals on his ears to protect it[[User:Infamousryan|Infamousryan]] ([[User talk:Infamousryan|talk]]) 18:36, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Only doijutsu in konoha and joint army possesion ==
 
 
Shouldn't we write in trivia that Byakugan is only doijutsu that konoha and joint shinobi army posses due to fact that both rinegan and sharingan curently are in posession of Akatsuki and Kabuto...[[User:YamatoTakeru|YamatoTakeru]] ([[User talk:YamatoTakeru|talk]]) 12:04, May 22, 2011 (UTC)
 
:Konoha has Kakashi's Sharingan.--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 12:45, May 22, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
== Byakugan Abilities ==
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The reference in question states "(It won't let me put the japanese here because it says it's profanity) " which means "Mother had not only the byakugan's power, but also the sharingan's." This is followed by "Douryoku wo tsukai sono jutsu wo tami he to muketa koto mo aru seisan na jutsu de atta" which means "Using her eye's powers she turned a nation of people with the technique. It was a terrible technique."
It's also shown in the anime that the byakugan has an ability of inshight, as in to read the oponent, as when Neji sees that Naruto is totally confident in the fight against him, and when he tells Hinata what she is feeling. Shouldn't this be listed as well? {{unsigned|79.182.233.215}}
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:I think that's just Neji himself and has nothing to do with the Byakugan. If it were the Byakugan then everyone with it would a some form of insight. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 16:34, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
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Now, it was a popular fan theory beforehand that Kaguya used the byakugan to apply the mugentsukiyomi so when this was stated there were probably people who took this theory for fact. But nowhere does it state she applied the technique with byakugan nor are there any other points in the manga where she uses byakugan to apply a sharingan genjutsu. Until that happens, stating this on the wiki is just speculation and should be removed. [[User:Jake3104|Jake3104]] ([[User talk:Jake3104|talk]]) 21:34, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
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:Yeah, it's a popular assumption about how she managed to cast it on larger scale--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:43, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
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::I haven't heard anyone claim this. However, if I had to guess I would think that it hails from Hinata extending Ino's soul swapping range. Don't know how people would think that applies to Sharingan genjutsu, which requires the victim to see the caster's eyes.--CyberianGinseng 15:59, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Is any of this mentioned in this, or any article on the site? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:05, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
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::::It states on the Byakugan page that Byakugan can be used to extend the range of the sharingan genjutsu as shown by Kaguya. It references chapter 671, page 9. I'm trying to get it removed, but people keep putting it back.--[[User:Jake3104|Jake3104]] ([[User talk:Jake3104|talk]]) 20:33, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
That's partially true.
 
It's possible to notice one's emotions,thoughts etc. by chakra flow.
 
If he is nervous, chakra flow is faster.
 
When he is calm, its normal.
 
Also Byakugan has an x-ray vision thus he can see his heart beat rate.
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:05, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
:Yeah but people can read others based on their habits. If I remember correctly (which I usually don't) Neji told her about her feelings by watching her eyes move from the top right to the lower left. As for Naruto, you can tell he was confident by the way he moves. The Byakugan would just reinforce those observations (at least for Hinata, I don't know how confidence affects chakra flow/heart rate). [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 18:33, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
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== User and Jutsu ==
   
Well, when you are nervous/scared, heart beat rate is faster.
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Shouldn't Hamura's right-hand man be added as a user, considering his own page lists him as a Byakugan wielder?
Chakra pathway system is all around the body.
 
Karin can tell by chakra flow if someone is lying for example ... this with Byakugan and a good observation should be easy.
 
But its already mentioned that Byakugan can see more than Sharingan so whats the point of this ?
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:06, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
:I think the person who posted the original question just wanted to know if the Byakugan gave the user better insight. As for me, I just wanted to have a nice conversation/argument. Guess we better stop now :P [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 19:13, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
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Also, shouldn't Twin Lions Crumbling Attack & Eighty Gods Vacuum Attack be added to the list of jutsus?[[User:Yahyanime|Yahyanime]] ([[User talk:Yahyanime|talk]]) 16:40, January 29, 2015 (UTC)
   
The answer is yes, Byakugan has the best vision.
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bumping this, someone please reply [[User:Yahyanime|Yahyanime]] ([[User talk:Yahyanime|talk]]) 15:09, January 30, 2015 (UTC)
Neji's skill is both due to Byakugan and him playing a psychologist
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:38, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
== Byakugan and Juuken ==
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bump again [[User:Yahyanime|Yahyanime]] ([[User talk:Yahyanime|talk]]) 16:26, January 31, 2015 (UTC)
   
Could somebody explain why the Juuken-Jutsu are considered Kekkei Genkai? They're not used with the Byakugan, Juuken is just a fighting style that relies on the Byakugan and the Jutsu are classified Hiden, right? Why do we list them as Kekkei Genkai? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:52, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
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== You see this? ==
:The Hyūga have [at least] 2 Kekkai Genkai:
 
* The Byakugan (obviously)
 
* The abilitty to expel Chakra from any of their 361 tenketsu
 
I remember ShounenSuki mentioning that a couple of years ago. And since you would need both of the Hyūga Kekkai Genkai to perform this, that makes it's derived fighting style one. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 19:02, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
::'''<edictconflict/>'''I think somewhere a long time ago in a discussion Shounensuki pointed out that the Hyūga clan was stated to have more than one kekkei genkai. From that I think it was also said that the ability Jūkenpō is also one of those unique abilities of theirs stemming from their ability to release chakra from any part on their body.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:04, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Well, I know about the Hyūga having more than one KG, but isn't the release of chakra through the Tenketsu something every ninja can do? Or how is the Chakra released [[Mystical Palm Technique|here]]? But meh, I just checked the Databooks again and indeed all these Jutsu are labeled as KG. I always thought they were Hiden... weird. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:36, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:If I remember correctly, Kakashi mentioned that even most Jonin-level shinobi could release chakra from their hands and feet. The Hyuga's tenketsu related Kekkai Genkai is that they're able to release them from all 361 of theirs. That's how they can use their Kaiten technique. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 19:50, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
::Aye it is something they can all do but that's from the tips of their hands and or sole of their feet. The Hyūga are special in that they can release chakra from every single point of their body hence Kaiten.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:53, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Buuut as Skitts said, releasing chakra through Tenketsu is something (almost) everyone can do. That means it can't be a KG. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:29, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::The Hyūga can release chakra from ANY tenketsu, which other shinobi cannot do. That is their Kekkai Genkai. To be more clear, during Neji's Chunin exam fight with Hinata, Kakashi explained that even Jonin could ''only'' expel chakra from the tenketsu present in their hands and feet, with the Hyūga's other Kekkai Genkai allowing then to do so with any. 'Tis be ho Neji halted Naruto's punch in their fight, by expelling some chakra from some tenketsu in his face. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 20:47, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::And the [[Gentle Fist Art One Blow Body]] technique.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:04, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Ao's range of vision ==
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http://www.leafninja.com/hyuuga.php that looks pretty good, maybe our SVG should be changed to resemble this one but better [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 08:11, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
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:i don't know about that, but I don't think or not sure we should change the SVG [[User:Kunoichi101|Kunoichi101]] ([[User talk:Kunoichi101|talk]]) 08:22, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
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These are ripped from the Ninja Storm Games, two different variations..
   
Does a single Byakugan give the user 359 degrees of vision? [[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 01:47, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
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Skinny Byakugan
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dunno, maybe.[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.236|71.71.58.236]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.236|talk]]) 01:56, July 13, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
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Wide Byakugan
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https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/11651257_1621989241374184_617556168_n.jpg?oh=a8eb1494531587a0620d844bc540b2a8&oe=5587690B
   
I'd assume each eye has the near 360° of vision yes.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:32, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
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Our image should be closer to one of these don't you think since these are official?? [[User:QuakingStar|QuakingStar]] ([[User talk:QuakingStar|talk]]) 20:07, June 20, 2015 (UTC)
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:Dunno, can't see them. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:11, June 20, 2015 (UTC)
   
Thanks for the answer. [[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 11:00, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
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Fixed the problem [[User:QuakingStar|QuakingStar]] ([[User talk:QuakingStar|talk]]) 20:27, June 20, 2015 (UTC)
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:The eye is supposed to be white, not a light shade of purple (the anime colours it incorrectly), so the current one is closer to the original.--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 20:43, June 20, 2015 (UTC)
   
== "greatest vision of all 3 eye techniques" ==
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== Shouldn't it be classified as... ==
   
Source from manga/databook?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:16, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
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Both a Kekkei Genkai and a Kekkei Mora? Instead of one or the other, why not list both?--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 08:21, March 23, 2015 (UTC)
:78 page 13 or there about during the cousin's fight.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:21, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
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:Scroll down to the bottom of the page, look for the word "Categories," and tell me what you see. (Hint: It already is classified as both, if you go to the [[Kekkei Genkai]] and [[Kekkei Mōra]] pages, you'll find Byakugan both there). It's just that adding "Kekkei Genkai, Kekkei Mōra" in the infobox creates a broken template, so just leave the infobox as it is. But like I said, scroll down to the bottom of the article.
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:{{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 11:43, March 23, 2015 (UTC)
   
It says better than Sharingan's, no Rinnegan mentioned, not to mention Kakashi didn't know better and it was as early in manga as it was thought that Sharingan comes from Byakugan.
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== Uzumaki Clan ==
Also it says insight, not vision. It's proven as false many times later in manga.
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Might as well start it. Himawari has the Byakugan and thus Boruto most likely has the potential to as well. Thus shouldn't we be adding the Uzumaki to the affiliated clans list? We might as well given it's in the family and Kishi clearly wanted them to have it so much he gave Himawari's blue eyes the Byakugan. [[User:Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]] ([[User talk:Shock Dragoon|talk]]) 22:04, August 6, 2015 (UTC)
Sharingan is able to notice subtle details, track fast movement and even see/predict/calculate before it even happens, just like Tobi in the latest chapter. Not to mention Itachi's and Sasuke's "anything you do before these eyes is futile" "they can see everything" or something akin to that shit.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:06, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
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:I don't think so Omni was right, it isn't associated with the Uzumaki clan, they aren't know for the Kekkei Genkai yet, Kishimoto might change that in the [[Zai no Sho]] that's coming out tomorrow. And who knows Boruto might not ever awaken it.--[[User:Kuroiraikou|Kuroiraikou]] ([[User talk:Kuroiraikou|talk]]) 23:15, August 6, 2015 (UTC)
:I'm not sure why you're always trying to have the other dōjutsu encroach on the abilities of the Byakugan but I've yet to see any one dojutsu do what another has done except the basic "see chakra". The Byakugan does in fact have the greatest ''insight'', than any of the other two great dōjutsu. IT doesn't mean insight in the sense of the Sharingan's predictive capabilities or ability to deduce all types of nin, gen or taijutsu, which is exactly what Itachi was referring to. That insight there, is literally seeing into your body, something I haven't seen any other dōjutsu do.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 00:12, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
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::I think Omni is wrong we have Ōtsutsuki Clan as owners of Rinnegan and Sharingan with only one known wielder(and no DB references for clan) now for some reason this works another way for Uzumaki. So either way Uzumaki gets Byakugan or Ōtsutsuki loses Rinnegan and Sharingan. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 23:49, August 6, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Just for the record, I was against listing Rinnegan and Sharingan for the Ōtsutsuki. I can understand the Rinnegan on "renown" basis because of Hagaromo, and the Sharingan because Indra already had it, and his pre-Uchiha descendants probably already had it as well, but if it was up to me alone, those wouldn't be listed. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:00, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Sharingan probably shouldn't be listed under Otsutsuki, Byakugan also should not be listed under Uzumaki--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 00:15, August 7, 2015 (UTC).
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:::::Looks like we're missing a definition on what actually should be added in that part of the infobox. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 00:18, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Indeed. Basically, the standard we've previously been going off of was "Kekkei Genkai the clan is known for". That is why Wood Release shows up under Senju when Hashirama is the only known user of it.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 00:22, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::Well, the Uzumaki clan definitely isn't known for their Byakugan, neither are the Otsutsuki known for any of their dojutsu. Hagoromo is known for his Rinnegan, but that's all. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 00:25, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
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Was under the impression that Kaguya's Rinneagan counted but whatever. Hell if you want to get technical, in series, the Otsutsuki aren't known at all, but their only important person, the Sage is known for the eyes so in my opinion that still counts (again similar to Hashirama and the Senju).--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 00:29, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
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:Yeah, I get that. Kaguya's Rinne Sharingan doesn't count because it's not something you get by being part of her clan. The Sharingan is, though. And so is the Byakugan for the Uzumaki clan from now on, as it seems. Then again, maybe Boruto doesn't have it at all... • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 00:33, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
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::Eh, I'd probably remove the "Wood Release" classification in the infobox for the Senju clan and note it as a trivia point. As such, probably should remove things like the Rinne Sharingan from the Ōtsutsuki Clan and the Byakugan from the Uzumaki Clan to keep the consistency with the whole "It doesn't occur naturally in the clan" notion. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 04:41, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
   
Chapter 361 page 5, chapter 475 page 8
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My opinion: appears more than once in the clan = gets listed.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:14, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
Not to mention Byakugan can see only through barriers made of chakra, while Rinnegan could see top-secret one.
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:Himawari is the first uzumaki to be born with this KG. Consistency. Yesterday I had added... --[[User:Sharingan91|Sharingan91]] ([[User talk:Sharingan91|talk]]) 11:34, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
All Byakugan does is the classic "see chakra and it's color" + almost 360 degree X-ray vision with cool zoom.
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::Personally, I think people forget that Naruto's family aren't the only existing Uzumaki. Karin is there too. It's like saying "Hey, add the Rinnegan, since Nagato had it" (And yes, I know he got it from Madara, but still...) It's like adding the Sharingan to Hatake Clan - not.worth.it.--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 11:39, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
Better vision, but nowhere near Sharingan's insight.
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:::You can't really compare those, though. There are people who got their dojutsu from outside (Kaguya, Ao, Kakashi, Nagato, Obito) and there are people who got it from inside (Hagoromo, Indora and yes, Himawari). • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:44, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
Not to mention that only some Hyuga can see Tenketsu, like Neji.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 01:02, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
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My take on it all is, Nagato, Madara, Kakashi, Obito, none of them were BORN with those extra Dojutsu they attained or awakened it naturally for that matter. Sasuke's Rinnegan, Kakashi's Sharingan, Ao's Byakugan, they all attained it from an outside source. Himawari however (and Boruto too), was born with the potential to awaken it and look what happened, Himawari did. I think because she was born with the ability to awaken it naturally qualifies the Uzumaki to be listed here since like the Hyuga and Otsutsuki, the Uzumaki (or at least Naruto and Hinata's line) can naturally awaken it as well. [[User:Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]] ([[User talk:Shock Dragoon|talk]]) 11:55, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
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:@Omojuze,It is correct not to include Boil, Magnet, Lava release in infobox Uzumaki clan, because Naruto isn't born with these KG, but he gets by Demons. But Himawari born with Byakugan and she is a member of Uzumaki Clan.--[[User:Sharingan91|Sharingan91]] ([[User talk:Sharingan91|talk]]) 11:58, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
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::Those are jinchuriki powers, unique to Naruto, that's why it isn't in the Uzumaki clan's page. We haven't seen any hint that those have been inherited by the Uzumaki Siblings unlike the Byakugan. Kishi said he meant to give it to them and it looks like he's following through. [[User:Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]] ([[User talk:Shock Dragoon|talk]]) 12:04, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
   
* 361, page 5- the sharingan has the ability to see chakra just like the other two, what's your point? Sasuke is looking at the millions of tiny, coloured bombs in his bloodstream which i'd assume is the same stream closely linked to what? chakra.
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Consider my proposal please: something that '''naturally appears more than once''' within a clan gets listed.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:01, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
* 475 page 6- Pay attention to what Tobi says. Aburame insects emit chakra just like any other shinobi animal that is why he could see them infecting Fū. It isn't until he notices the effects that he realises that they are nano-sized insects which he cannot see apart from them being a clump of chakra.
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:With this your condition Ōtsutsuki Clan still will lose Rinnegan, Sharingan and Tenseigan. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 14:27, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
* Who told you that? The only barrier I've seen them have issue with is the one used by the Sound Four and that was probably because it was made like that. I've never seen them have problems otherwise and if you're referring to the Rinnegan and the sensing system barrier over Konoha, who told you that they cannot see it?
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::I agree this is ridiculous. Himawari naturally has it, she's an Uzumaki, just add the Clan into the associated kekkei genkai box. Odds are we won't see Boruto awaken it anytime soon because Kishi wants a break so let's stop playing this game. The same convo will only be brought up again later. [[User:Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]] ([[User talk:Shock Dragoon|talk]]) 14:51, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
* I've already explained to you what insight there means, so this discussion is moot. The Sharingan gives you predictive abilities and the common see chakra, the Rinnegan makes you into a god and you can see chakra, the Byakugan literally gives you insight to see multi-layered all-seeing eyes.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:14, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
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:::@Rage, just the Sharingan. 2 Otsutsuki Rinnegan users, Hagoromo and Momoshiki. 2 Tenseigan users Hamura and Toneri, unless he doesn't count or something.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 14:54, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
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::::No one's had an issue with Wood Release being listed on the Senju article despite it manifesting in only 1 member, so why is this any different? And unlike WR, this kekkei genkai can be passed on through the clan so im in favour of adding it. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 14:58, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
   
* You have just contradicted yourself, chakra network is all around the bodily organs, the bombs are made off chakra and are in his bloodstream, thus Sharingan see inside of a body.
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::::@Elve Tenseigan naturally occurs only to Hamura, Toneri got implant, Well and Momoshiki most likely has Rinnegan same way Kaguya has Rinne Sharingan - he is her peer after all, whis is not natural. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 15:13, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
* I'm not talking that he can see the insects, he can see under his clothes and skin.
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:If we agree, I propose to enter Uzumaki clan in infobox.--[[User:Sharingan91|Sharingan91]] ([[User talk:Sharingan91|talk]]) 16:12, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
* The barrier was/is all over the Konoha, it was never indicated nor shown that a Sharingan or Byakugan could see it... yeah, make a barrier that 2 clans can see, makes sense.
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::I, for once, agree with Elve on this one. Everyone forgets Karin. I'd understand if we got at least 2 Byakugan users, but nope.--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 16:17, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
Neither Sasuke mentioned any barrier when leaving the village, nor Neji or someone has observed such.
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:::Thank you, I think it's the most logical.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 16:21, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
Rinnegan can also read the most from Sage's tablet.
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:::: @Omojuze, I don't understand what changes you. One, two, ten thousand, we have a uzumaki born with byakugan. Now this KG is also present in the Uzumaki clan. --[[User:Sharingan91|Sharingan91]] ([[User talk:Sharingan91|talk]]) 16:24, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
* Not just predictive abilities, but also perception. Then reword it with "According to Kakashi, Byakugan's vision/insight/whatever precedes that of Sharingan"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:16, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
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::::: That's not true. Just like Boruto doesn't have the Byakugan, Himawari's children might not have the Byakugan either... >.> It's all genetics, in Himawari's case, Hinata's genes were stronger than Naruto's.--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 16:27, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
   
* Fair enough the Sharingan sees inside the body, that does not mean it's anywhere on the level of the the Byakugan. Chakra is within a human body, obviously they're going to be able to see in there.
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Exactly, once we get second Uzumaki with Byakugan, it will get listed.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 16:27, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
* What are you talking about? He's looking at a silhouette of and the chakra-emitting bugs infecting him, not under his skin. Again the Sharingan can see chakra, why exactly would it pick up clothing?
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:The KG manifested in 1 member and another member is called the Byakugan princess. That seems a good enough reason to add it. --[[User:Bio havik|Bio havik]] ([[User talk:Bio havik|talk]]) 16:29, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
* Because the situation has never arisen for them to see it?
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::Hinata did not originate in the Uzumaki Clan, so her abilities don't count. It's like saying: "Oh, Sakura's an Uchiha now. She activates Sharingan when?".--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 16:32, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
** You're going to say someone can't do something because they haven't? Every time they leave or enter the village then, they should shout "barrier!"
 
** Why not make a barrier that they can see, '''they live there''' You're putting way too much into this barrier thing with so many unknowns still in the mix.
 
* What does writing in code have to do with anything? We know nothing about the tablet except that the Rinnegan can read it all, suppose the Byakugan can read it as well?
 
* The Sharingan has basis "perception" if any at all of which there's no need to mention it. I don't know why you're always trying to have them encroach on the Byakugan's ability but neither of those two dōjutsu have shown to be able to do anything on the level of the Byakugan.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:36, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
* Sure not on the Byakugan's level, I'm not taking you that.
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== Otsutsuki clan ==
* He can see the bugs giving off chakra under a part hidden by clothes (obviously, so that's what I meant) for the latter, Sharingan appears to see enough to notice bloodstream and such, sure not the x-ray vision of Byakugan, but since chakra pathway system is around every organ, the Sharingan can see a "silhouette" of it.
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You guys do realise that the Byakugan was never called a Kekkei Genkai of the Otsutsuki clan, right? It has also nothing to do with chakra, for them. Kaguya had it before she ate the fruit, the Shikis have it even though they never ate a fruit. It's basically their normal eyes and they don't need chakra to use it. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:33, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
* Just giving it some logic, there's nothing to prove that Byakugan or Sharingan can see the "secret barrier" that the Rinnegan could.
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:Is there anything proving that the Byakugan appeared ''before'' Kaguya ate the fruit? For all we know, Kaguya (and the rest of her clan) had pale lavender eyes and when she gained the ultimate chakra then her eyes turned into Byakugan.--[[User talk:JOA20|JOA<sup>20</sup>]]21:36, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
* Well, since ur a Hyuga fan and all, I guess ur kinda biased. Byakugan was never mentioned being able to read the Sage's tablet.
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::The fourth databook says that she had the Byakugan before she ate the fruit. Also, the Shikis never ate the fruit and can use the Byakugan as well. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:42, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
* I have nothing against Byakugan, just the way it's worded seems off. You don't like the recommendation I have posted above?
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:::Shikis have chakra tho don't they? Also it probably became Byakugan (veins and magical powers) with chakra, before it was just pale eyes.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 21:54, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
The meaning won't change.
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::::Even if the situation is weird with the Shikis, the rest of the clan on the moon did have the Byakugan, so you can't really say it's not a kekkei genkai that appears in the clan. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:29, August 9, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::The Shikis do have chakra somehow though, and can you show us an accurate translation of that part of the databook? Like what you did with the whole Hamura ancestry thing on his talk page? --[[User:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4|Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4]] ([[User talk:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4|talk]]) 00:57, August 9, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::[http://www.qpic.ws/images/kaguya.png Here]. Omni, what I meant is that it was normal for the clan to have those eyes. If it's normal, it's not an anomaly, right? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:52, August 9, 2015 (UTC)
   
I just don't think Kakashi's words (not to mention so early in the manga) are enough, since his skill with the Sharingan is inferior to a true Uchiha. I'm yet to see him using it like Itachi/Sasuke/Madara/Tobi for example.
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It's most likely that pre-chakra "Byakugan" and chakra Byakugan aren't the same no? I mean, Byakugan uses chakra as far as we know ._.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:29, August 9, 2015 (UTC)
Also "vision" and "insight" are kind of 2 different things, if you mean "insight" like seeing deep into something, then yes. But if insight like being able to perceive and predict, then Sharingan wins--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:33, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
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:Exactly. But she had it before she had chakra => she (and most likely her clan) can use the Byakugan without chakra. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 13:31, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

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Genjutsu Edit

Where was it ever said in the manga or databooks that Byakugan could see through genjutsu? Yahyanime (talk) 11:31, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

When Obito fought the Eight Man Squad, Hinata said Obito's phasing wasn't genjutsu. Ao recognised that Yagura was under genjutsu as well, which is why he was suspicious during the Five Kage Summit. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:11, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

Extending Genjutsu Edit

So far I've heard several people reference this wiki page as though it was proof that using byakugan and sharingan together could extend the visual genjutsu. So, I checked the reference (page 9 of chapter 671) as well as all other points in the manga where Kaguya shows up/sharingan genjutsu is used. There were several translations for the reference shown, but in the end it simply states that she had both doujutsu and used both their powers to devastate people. There is no note of using the byakugan to apply the sharingan genjutsu whatsoever. There is no instance within the manga where she does so without it being stated, either.

The reference in question states "(It won't let me put the japanese here because it says it's profanity) " which means "Mother had not only the byakugan's power, but also the sharingan's." This is followed by "Douryoku wo tsukai sono jutsu wo tami he to muketa koto mo aru seisan na jutsu de atta" which means "Using her eye's powers she turned a nation of people with the technique. It was a terrible technique."


Now, it was a popular fan theory beforehand that Kaguya used the byakugan to apply the mugentsukiyomi so when this was stated there were probably people who took this theory for fact. But nowhere does it state she applied the technique with byakugan nor are there any other points in the manga where she uses byakugan to apply a sharingan genjutsu. Until that happens, stating this on the wiki is just speculation and should be removed. Jake3104 (talk) 21:34, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a popular assumption about how she managed to cast it on larger scale--Elveonora (talk) 21:43, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
I haven't heard anyone claim this. However, if I had to guess I would think that it hails from Hinata extending Ino's soul swapping range. Don't know how people would think that applies to Sharingan genjutsu, which requires the victim to see the caster's eyes.--CyberianGinseng 15:59, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
Is any of this mentioned in this, or any article on the site? --Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 16:05, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
It states on the Byakugan page that Byakugan can be used to extend the range of the sharingan genjutsu as shown by Kaguya. It references chapter 671, page 9. I'm trying to get it removed, but people keep putting it back.--Jake3104 (talk) 20:33, July 29, 2014 (UTC)


User and Jutsu Edit

Shouldn't Hamura's right-hand man be added as a user, considering his own page lists him as a Byakugan wielder?

Also, shouldn't Twin Lions Crumbling Attack & Eighty Gods Vacuum Attack be added to the list of jutsus?Yahyanime (talk) 16:40, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

bumping this, someone please reply Yahyanime (talk) 15:09, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

bump again Yahyanime (talk) 16:26, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

You see this? Edit

http://www.leafninja.com/hyuuga.php that looks pretty good, maybe our SVG should be changed to resemble this one but better ItachiWasAHero (talk) 08:11, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

i don't know about that, but I don't think or not sure we should change the SVG Kunoichi101 (talk) 08:22, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

These are ripped from the Ninja Storm Games, two different variations..

Skinny Byakugan https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t34.0-12/11638103_1621988781374230_260618627_n.jpg?oh=b8761c800fea82d1752cff56b78d78e6&oe=55884083

Wide Byakugan https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/11651257_1621989241374184_617556168_n.jpg?oh=a8eb1494531587a0620d844bc540b2a8&oe=5587690B

Our image should be closer to one of these don't you think since these are official?? QuakingStar (talk) 20:07, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Dunno, can't see them. • Seelentau 愛 20:11, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Fixed the problem QuakingStar (talk) 20:27, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

The eye is supposed to be white, not a light shade of purple (the anime colours it incorrectly), so the current one is closer to the original.--Omojuze (talk) 20:43, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be classified as... Edit

Both a Kekkei Genkai and a Kekkei Mora? Instead of one or the other, why not list both?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 08:21, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

Scroll down to the bottom of the page, look for the word "Categories," and tell me what you see. (Hint: It already is classified as both, if you go to the Kekkei Genkai and Kekkei Mōra pages, you'll find Byakugan both there). It's just that adding "Kekkei Genkai, Kekkei Mōra" in the infobox creates a broken template, so just leave the infobox as it is. But like I said, scroll down to the bottom of the article.
WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 11:43, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

Uzumaki Clan Edit

Might as well start it. Himawari has the Byakugan and thus Boruto most likely has the potential to as well. Thus shouldn't we be adding the Uzumaki to the affiliated clans list? We might as well given it's in the family and Kishi clearly wanted them to have it so much he gave Himawari's blue eyes the Byakugan. Shock Dragoon (talk) 22:04, August 6, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think so Omni was right, it isn't associated with the Uzumaki clan, they aren't know for the Kekkei Genkai yet, Kishimoto might change that in the Zai no Sho that's coming out tomorrow. And who knows Boruto might not ever awaken it.--Kuroiraikou (talk) 23:15, August 6, 2015 (UTC)
I think Omni is wrong we have Ōtsutsuki Clan as owners of Rinnegan and Sharingan with only one known wielder(and no DB references for clan) now for some reason this works another way for Uzumaki. So either way Uzumaki gets Byakugan or Ōtsutsuki loses Rinnegan and Sharingan. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 23:49, August 6, 2015 (UTC)
Just for the record, I was against listing Rinnegan and Sharingan for the Ōtsutsuki. I can understand the Rinnegan on "renown" basis because of Hagaromo, and the Sharingan because Indra already had it, and his pre-Uchiha descendants probably already had it as well, but if it was up to me alone, those wouldn't be listed. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:00, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
Sharingan probably shouldn't be listed under Otsutsuki, Byakugan also should not be listed under Uzumaki--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 00:15, August 7, 2015 (UTC).
Looks like we're missing a definition on what actually should be added in that part of the infobox. • Seelentau 愛 00:18, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
Indeed. Basically, the standard we've previously been going off of was "Kekkei Genkai the clan is known for". That is why Wood Release shows up under Senju when Hashirama is the only known user of it.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 00:22, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
Well, the Uzumaki clan definitely isn't known for their Byakugan, neither are the Otsutsuki known for any of their dojutsu. Hagoromo is known for his Rinnegan, but that's all. • Seelentau 愛 00:25, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Was under the impression that Kaguya's Rinneagan counted but whatever. Hell if you want to get technical, in series, the Otsutsuki aren't known at all, but their only important person, the Sage is known for the eyes so in my opinion that still counts (again similar to Hashirama and the Senju).--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 00:29, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I get that. Kaguya's Rinne Sharingan doesn't count because it's not something you get by being part of her clan. The Sharingan is, though. And so is the Byakugan for the Uzumaki clan from now on, as it seems. Then again, maybe Boruto doesn't have it at all... • Seelentau 愛 00:33, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
Eh, I'd probably remove the "Wood Release" classification in the infobox for the Senju clan and note it as a trivia point. As such, probably should remove things like the Rinne Sharingan from the Ōtsutsuki Clan and the Byakugan from the Uzumaki Clan to keep the consistency with the whole "It doesn't occur naturally in the clan" notion. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 04:41, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

My opinion: appears more than once in the clan = gets listed.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 11:14, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Himawari is the first uzumaki to be born with this KG. Consistency. Yesterday I had added... --Sharingan91 (talk) 11:34, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
Personally, I think people forget that Naruto's family aren't the only existing Uzumaki. Karin is there too. It's like saying "Hey, add the Rinnegan, since Nagato had it" (And yes, I know he got it from Madara, but still...) It's like adding the Sharingan to Hatake Clan - not.worth.it.--Omojuze (talk) 11:39, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
You can't really compare those, though. There are people who got their dojutsu from outside (Kaguya, Ao, Kakashi, Nagato, Obito) and there are people who got it from inside (Hagoromo, Indora and yes, Himawari). • Seelentau 愛 11:44, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

My take on it all is, Nagato, Madara, Kakashi, Obito, none of them were BORN with those extra Dojutsu they attained or awakened it naturally for that matter. Sasuke's Rinnegan, Kakashi's Sharingan, Ao's Byakugan, they all attained it from an outside source. Himawari however (and Boruto too), was born with the potential to awaken it and look what happened, Himawari did. I think because she was born with the ability to awaken it naturally qualifies the Uzumaki to be listed here since like the Hyuga and Otsutsuki, the Uzumaki (or at least Naruto and Hinata's line) can naturally awaken it as well. Shock Dragoon (talk) 11:55, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

@Omojuze,It is correct not to include Boil, Magnet, Lava release in infobox Uzumaki clan, because Naruto isn't born with these KG, but he gets by Demons. But Himawari born with Byakugan and she is a member of Uzumaki Clan.--Sharingan91 (talk) 11:58, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
Those are jinchuriki powers, unique to Naruto, that's why it isn't in the Uzumaki clan's page. We haven't seen any hint that those have been inherited by the Uzumaki Siblings unlike the Byakugan. Kishi said he meant to give it to them and it looks like he's following through. Shock Dragoon (talk) 12:04, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Consider my proposal please: something that naturally appears more than once within a clan gets listed.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 13:01, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

With this your condition Ōtsutsuki Clan still will lose Rinnegan, Sharingan and Tenseigan. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 14:27, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
I agree this is ridiculous. Himawari naturally has it, she's an Uzumaki, just add the Clan into the associated kekkei genkai box. Odds are we won't see Boruto awaken it anytime soon because Kishi wants a break so let's stop playing this game. The same convo will only be brought up again later. Shock Dragoon (talk) 14:51, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
@Rage, just the Sharingan. 2 Otsutsuki Rinnegan users, Hagoromo and Momoshiki. 2 Tenseigan users Hamura and Toneri, unless he doesn't count or something.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 14:54, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
No one's had an issue with Wood Release being listed on the Senju article despite it manifesting in only 1 member, so why is this any different? And unlike WR, this kekkei genkai can be passed on through the clan so im in favour of adding it. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 14:58, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
@Elve Tenseigan naturally occurs only to Hamura, Toneri got implant, Well and Momoshiki most likely has Rinnegan same way Kaguya has Rinne Sharingan - he is her peer after all, whis is not natural. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 15:13, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
If we agree, I propose to enter Uzumaki clan in infobox.--Sharingan91 (talk) 16:12, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
I, for once, agree with Elve on this one. Everyone forgets Karin. I'd understand if we got at least 2 Byakugan users, but nope.--Omojuze (talk) 16:17, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, I think it's the most logical.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 16:21, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
@Omojuze, I don't understand what changes you. One, two, ten thousand, we have a uzumaki born with byakugan. Now this KG is also present in the Uzumaki clan. --Sharingan91 (talk) 16:24, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
That's not true. Just like Boruto doesn't have the Byakugan, Himawari's children might not have the Byakugan either... >.> It's all genetics, in Himawari's case, Hinata's genes were stronger than Naruto's.--Omojuze (talk) 16:27, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Exactly, once we get second Uzumaki with Byakugan, it will get listed.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 16:27, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

The KG manifested in 1 member and another member is called the Byakugan princess. That seems a good enough reason to add it. --Bio havik (talk) 16:29, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
Hinata did not originate in the Uzumaki Clan, so her abilities don't count. It's like saying: "Oh, Sakura's an Uchiha now. She activates Sharingan when?".--Omojuze (talk) 16:32, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Otsutsuki clan Edit

You guys do realise that the Byakugan was never called a Kekkei Genkai of the Otsutsuki clan, right? It has also nothing to do with chakra, for them. Kaguya had it before she ate the fruit, the Shikis have it even though they never ate a fruit. It's basically their normal eyes and they don't need chakra to use it. • Seelentau 愛 21:33, August 8, 2015 (UTC)

Is there anything proving that the Byakugan appeared before Kaguya ate the fruit? For all we know, Kaguya (and the rest of her clan) had pale lavender eyes and when she gained the ultimate chakra then her eyes turned into Byakugan.--JOA2021:36, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
The fourth databook says that she had the Byakugan before she ate the fruit. Also, the Shikis never ate the fruit and can use the Byakugan as well. • Seelentau 愛 21:42, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
Shikis have chakra tho don't they? Also it probably became Byakugan (veins and magical powers) with chakra, before it was just pale eyes.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 21:54, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
Even if the situation is weird with the Shikis, the rest of the clan on the moon did have the Byakugan, so you can't really say it's not a kekkei genkai that appears in the clan. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:29, August 9, 2015 (UTC)
The Shikis do have chakra somehow though, and can you show us an accurate translation of that part of the databook? Like what you did with the whole Hamura ancestry thing on his talk page? --Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 (talk) 00:57, August 9, 2015 (UTC)
Here. Omni, what I meant is that it was normal for the clan to have those eyes. If it's normal, it's not an anomaly, right? • Seelentau 愛 11:52, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

It's most likely that pre-chakra "Byakugan" and chakra Byakugan aren't the same no? I mean, Byakugan uses chakra as far as we know ._.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 13:29, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

Exactly. But she had it before she had chakra => she (and most likely her clan) can use the Byakugan without chakra. • Seelentau 愛 13:31, August 9, 2015 (UTC)
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