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==Target==
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on most of the members teams it has Kurama listed as a target; thats not technically true; only Itachi and Nagato were ever canonically assigned to capture Naruto. I do believe it was simply the others chose to go after naruto because he was in the area (Deidara, Sasori, Hidan, etc.) Is it alright if i remove Kurama from the other teams targets?--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] ([[User talk:RexGodwin|talk]]) 04:40, May 4, 2013 (UTC)
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:But they targeted him. Well not Hidan and Kakuzu, but, Sasori and Deidara did. This was something Deidara went as far as to apologise to Itachi for beforehand.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:33, May 4, 2013 (UTC)
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::No, Hidan and kauzu did too; they said they were going to Konoha to find Naruto. Besides, they weren't officially assigned to capture him, it was just Sasori and Deidara's choice to get him since he was there.--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] ([[User talk:RexGodwin|talk]]) 03:21, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
   
==Decreased, Revived & Defected==
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== Member Status and Additional Column==
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Konan is dead, can I change her status to deceased? Also, I remember before there was a column that listed which particular ninja killed/incapacitated the member, i.e. Nara Shikamaru for Hidan. Why was that taken down? --[[User:Littlemissdoodle|Littlemissdoodle]] ([[User talk:Littlemissdoodle|talk]]) 23:46, May 21, 2013 (UTC)
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:See [[Talk:Akatsuki/Archive 3#Decreased.2C Revived .26 Defected|here]] for why konan isn't added. Also, I don't recall the killer list on this page, but we do have that on the [[Plot_of_Naruto#Deaths_2|Plot]] page. — [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 23:55, May 21, 2013 (UTC)
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::Got it, thanks. Well now, that was analyzed down to the intricacies. Saw the plot page too but that's not it. I distinctly remember the additional column, either way I'll sort through the archives / other pages. Maybe there was a prior discussion that merited its removal. --[[User:Littlemissdoodle|Littlemissdoodle]] ([[User talk:Littlemissdoodle|talk]]) 00:12, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
   
I'm curious about something, involving Konan and some people revived by Kabuto's Jutsu, aren't they alive and active, and didn't Konan died, lots of detail needs to be added, maybe a second column detailing after, like after defecting they died, or after killed they were revived. just saying, it should be noted and put into the table, i don't wanna do something that could block my IP, and i'm just curious why the information isn't added?
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== Kumogakure & Akatsuki ==
--[[Special:Contributions/174.29.219.25|174.29.219.25]] ([[User talk:174.29.219.25|talk]]) 17:49, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
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I came across this line on the page and couldn't help but think it was a little off for some reason:
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<blockquote>''"The Fourth Raikage claims that only Kumogakure has never used Akatsuki's services"''</blockquote>
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Is this accurate? From what I understood, during the Kage Summit, the Raikage said that Kumogakure never produced any missing-nin that joined Akatsuki, not that they had never used it's services before. I draw this conclusion based on the fact that there are no current or former Cloud ninja aligned with Akatsuki and that it seems unlikely that Konoha would use Akatsuki's "services" after their reformation prior to the third shinobi world war, considering Pain's goals would have been to destroy Konoha and capture the Nine Tails. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't have that particular episode in front of me so I'm not sure if that statement is wrong or if it was simply mistranslated. --[[User:Furbag|Furbag]] ([[User talk:Furbag|talk]]) 05:05, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
   
:The table reflects their status while in the service of Akatsuki. Konan died after defecting, so her death is not relevant. Deidara and the others are more of a gray area, as it is unclear if they are "members" or "muscle". '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 18:22, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
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== this might have been discussed already, but... ==
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Shouldn't Taka be treated as members instead of an associated group? They were even given cloaks, something only Akatsuki members wear. It was very brief, but it was nonetheless--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:34, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
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:It has been discussed before somewhere. They're not considered members because they never wore the rings. It goes back to Tobi getting into the group after recovering Sasori's ring and taking his spot. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:02, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
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::Oh right, not just cloaks, forgot the rings need to be worn as a sort of membership recognition as well. Most of them are no longer available tho :)
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::* Deidara's = gone in a suicidal explosion
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::* Hidan's = decomposed by earth
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::* Kisame's = made sharks' feces
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::* Kakuzu's = turned into gunpowder with wind-powered grinder
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::* Konan's = rusted by water
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::* Orochimaru's = rotten; not recommended for further use due to odor and bacteria being present... also who knows where that guy sticked his fingers
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::* Nagato's = should be in Obito's possession
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::* Sasori's = still on Obito's finger? Haven't noticed, since his face alone occupies my attention
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::* Itachi's = should be in Obito's possession; blood present, possible risk of STD
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::* Zetsu's = burnt by magical eyes/cut by shark sword or just thrown away
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::See? 2 rings just simply wouldn't do for 3 members ;D--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:27, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
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:::We don't really know how the rings worked, or what they were made of. Just because most are unavailable, doesn't mean they've been destroyed. Their purpose seemed to be related to the sealing of the tailed beasts, but that was never explained in detail. We'll either never hear from them again (most likely), or there will be a WTF plot twist in which they'll be recovered, revealed to be relics from or related to the Sage of the Six Paths and the splitting of the Ten-Tails, and required to do something about the Ten-Tails. You heard it here first, and I did call the Second Mizukage being a Hōzuki before anyone else here. Kishimoto took 400+ chapters to reveal the Zabuza's sword had a power, and we're about the same chapter distance since the rings were introduced. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:21, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
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::::Likin' your enthusiasm about something as minor. For your sake I hope those don't turn to be just costume jewelry. But a nice theory nonetheless, will be sure to credit you on all known forums in case it comes to pass ;D--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:08, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
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:::::I was joking up there. I have no expectation that the rings will ever be relevant, let alone mentioned or shown again. But please, do credit me if my some miracle if it ever does come to pass. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:52, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Redundancy? ==
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== Deidara and Tobi ==
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The article states that "After Deidara's death, Tobi revealed his true personality and began to actively work to his own goals." While this statement is technically true, it seems to imply that Deidara had no idea who Tobi was. But we don't know that for sure. For all we know Deidara was just playing along when Tobi was acting "childish". He surely witnessed Tobi subduing Isobu without a struggle. Didn't show any hint of surprise and just went on one of his rants about art. The way I see it, even if he didn't know about Obito and stuff, he atleast knew it was Madara or some other Uchiha with a freakin powerful Sharingan. There's also the part when Tobi tells Kisame "Sorry you're the last to know" or something like that. Which could very well mean that all the other Akatsuki members knew he was much more than the "childish" personality he played on-screen, including Deidara.--[[User:Karunyan|Karunyan]] ([[User talk:Karunyan|talk]]) 02:58, October 11, 2013 (UTC)
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:Nothing in the manga implies Deidara did know Tobi's identify, so neither should we. If he had known Tobi had a Sharingan, he'd have ranted about it, since he sees those that possess the Sharingan as having no respect for his art. Deidara and many others were already dead or no longer part of Akatsuki when he told Kisame that, they didn't count or matter any more. Tobi meant of the people still involved. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 15:45, October 11, 2013 (UTC)
   
In the "Fourth Great Shinobi War" section, there is a list of all the people resurrected by the [[Summoning: Impure World Resurrection]] technique. But the Impure World Resurrection article has a much more comprehensive list of everyone who's been resurrected. And THAT list is sortable too! Instead of having 2 lists to edit every time we get new information, why not just remove the inferior list in this article and redirect readers to Summoning: Impure World Resurrection page if they want to know who's been resurrected by the technique?--[[User:Daleadil|Daleadil]] ([[User talk:Daleadil|talk]]) 07:04, November 13, 2010 (UTC)
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== Road to Ninja ==
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When was it implied that Itachi was the leader of the Genjutsu Akatsuki???? there was nothing to really show that, that's just a fan speculation that's better off removed--[[User:Deathmailrock|Deathmailrock]] ([[User talk:Deathmailrock|talk]]) 22:58, November 23, 2013 (UTC)
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:He certainly looked like the leader. This might come from some press release about the movie. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:53, November 24, 2013 (UTC)
   
==Is Itatchi Really Kisame's Senior?==
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== Inactive? ==
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We know that Obito's defected, but should we consider the same for Black Zetsu and the White Zetsu clones? Madara was never technically a part of the organization and they returned to his side. Same plan, different organization, in this case it's Madara himself with his personal goal, not acting under Akatsuki. --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 00:28, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
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:hmmmm, I'd like to say that Madara is in full control of the organization and Black Zetsu as the only member along with the white zetsu army surviving since they are still fighting after Obito's defection. Madara is one of Akatsuki's founders and the true real mastermind in its current incarnation even though he didn't live to see it's formation and that he left Obito to do it by encouraging Yahiko. Akatsuki doesn't have a common goal but with members with different goal as stated in wiki as of now so having Madara's personal goal added wouldn't be a problem but we still have to confirm it if we agree and that we'll see once the story shows it. --[[User:Masurao14|Masurao14]] ([[User talk:Masurao14|talk]]) 00:28, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
   
I know that Itatchi's stronger then Kisame, but where did it say, show or even hint that Kisame joined the Akatsuki organization after Itatchi?[[User:Redbird41|Redbird41]] ([[User talk:Redbird41|talk]]) 02:52, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
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== Madara's affiliation with Akatsuki ==
:The anime shows Kisame already being a member when Itachi joined. The manga doesn't show who joined first. The senior status of Itachi comes from the fact that Itachi was given orders to Kisame. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 06:20, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
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I just want to make some contributions regarding Madara's affiliation with Akatsuki and I know it's not confirmed if Madara is the founder of Akatsuki's current incarnation since he influenced Yahiko in it's creation but it would make him a spiritual founder since he passed it on to Obito and Nagato. Yahiko is the founder of Akatsuki but the Akatsuki right now is founded by Obito and Nagato as well whom Obito in the first place was influenced by Madara. Speaking of which, Madara needs to have Akatsuki affiliation because Kabuto has one already since he came back before his defeat as an associate. It's okay if Madara is an associate but he could be considered as a leader right now since Obito defected and that he is a spiritual founder from the start. --[[User:Masurao14|Masurao14]] ([[User talk:Masurao14|talk]]) 22:11, December 18, 2013 (UTC)
::That kind of raises the question, why do we even consider one member the senior at all? There doesn't seem to have been any true hierarchy. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 08:08, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
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==Obito and Zetsu==
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Looking over their history together throughout the times in Akatsuki and beyond, I really don't think it's too farfetched to classify them as partners. Zetsu is basically the Konan to Obito's Nagato. A chapter cover even called Zetsu Tobi's assistant. I mean they weren't officially partners as far as Tobi/Deidara, Itachi/Kisame and the like, but Obito and Madara weren't technically either, now were they?--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] ([[User talk:RexGodwin|talk]]) 21:47, January 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
Fair enough Jacce. Itatchi does usually give the orders, but I saw that as more of a power (and intelligence) thing to me. While Kisame may have been around longer, Itatchi was the smarter, cooler headed and more powerful one. And ShounenSuki, I see what your saying, but some of the pairs clearly have hierarchies that were set up. An example is the Zombie Brothers (Kakuzu is on top) and the 2 Artists (Sasori is on top).[[User:Redbird41|Redbird41]] ([[User talk:Redbird41|talk]]) 01:54, November 26, 2010 (UTC)
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== Goals ==
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I may have started this discussion a long time ago and got no responses. Shouldn't this be changed up? Having Yahiko's goal as the Original Goal, Nagato's as the Main Goal, and then just Obito's Goal? Also, I find Itachi's goal unneeded since that section is about the goals of the leaders. --[[User:OmegaRasengan|OmegaRasengan]] ([[User talk:OmegaRasengan|talk]]) 06:43, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:Nagato's true goal differed from what he explained to Hidan. Not sure if the cover-up should count as the "main goal" though.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 07:12, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Impure World Shinobi ==
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==Obito's Akatsuki==
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The main image should be labeled as "Obito's Akatsuki" rather than "Nagato's Akatsuki" as Obito was the group's true leader and mastermind after Yahiko's death. Nagato was merely a proxy leader and as such, it would be incorrect to claim Akatsuki as his. [[User:Kenny U|Kenny U]] ([[User talk:Kenny U|talk]]) 21:18, February 19, 2014 (UTC)Kenny U
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:While technically true, Tobi was not the recognized leader of Akatsuki. In fact he never was. He pulled the strings and had Pain do what he wanted, but he was never the official leader.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:47, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
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::He was recognized as leader by Nagato and Konan themselves and Zetsu as well, and after Nagato's demise Kisame recognized him as the one who was truly the leader. [[User:Kenny U|Kenny U]] ([[User talk:Kenny U|talk]]) 00:42, February 20, 2014 (UTC)KennyU
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:::But Nagato was still the leader as far as day-to-day activities were concerned, everyone else answered to him. Nagato is the CEO. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:49, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::::The others answers to Nagato, but Nagato answered to Obito. I would say that makes Obito the leader wouldn't you say? I'm fairly certain that there are times where Nagato literally addresses Obito as "Leader". --[[User:Kenny U|Kenny U]] ([[User talk:Kenny U|talk]]) 00:53, February 20, 2014 (UTC)Kenny U
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:::::Nagato never called Tobi Leader. In fact, right before sending Pain to get the Nine-Tails, Tobi said something along the lines "Do this, you are the Akatsuki Leader after all" or something to that effect. Basically, while Obito was running the show, Obito only really manipulated Nagato. Nagato was still the official leader of Akatsuki.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:39, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
I see that Impure World Shinobi have had Akatsuki added to their affiliation. Should that really be there? They didn't join or willingly collaborated with Akatsuki, they're being forced to fight in its behalf. I don't think they should have Akatsuki as one of their affiliations. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 15:38, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
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== Nagato ==
:I completely agree with you. [[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 16:04, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
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Why is Nagato listed as "Defected"? He is clearly dead, or why would he be reincarnated during the war? I would edit it myself but Jacce protected the page. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 17:36, July 4, 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't we wrote that maybe every shinobi who died in manga, and was not sealed or there is not problems to bring him back from death will be maybe brought back.I wrote that maybe sage will be alive too but some guy told me to shut up.I mean who knows what will now happen...[[User:YamatoTakeru|YamatoTakeru]] ([[User talk:YamatoTakeru|talk]]) 13:57, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
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:Because he defected from Akatsuki before he died. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 17:46, July 4, 2014 (UTC)
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::Isn't he technically both? In a way, saying he's "defected" makes him sound like he is still alive, but he isn't. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 17:51, July 4, 2014 (UTC)
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:::While yes he is technically both, as far as Akatsuki is concerned, he defected and is no longer their problem. Same reason why Konan and Orochimaru are listed as "Defected".--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:39, July 4, 2014 (UTC)
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::::its as simple as... did he die loyal like Sasori, Kakuzu, Deidara, Kisame, Hidan (techicality), and White Zetsu? Nope. Same as Konan, Orochimaru, and Obito who renounced Akatsuki before their deaths.--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] ([[User talk:RexGodwin|talk]]) 13:55, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
:What you're saying is speculation that ''every'' shinobi ''might'' be brought back. I don't think anyone straight out told you to "shut up", perhaps you were being speculative about the Sage, also? ''''' ~ [[User:Fmakck|Fmakck<sup>©</sup>]] → [[User talk:Fmakck|Talk]] → [[Special:Contributions/Fmakck|Contributions]] ~''''' 14:01, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
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== True founder ==
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Okay... so who is it? We have:
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* Black Zetsu stating himself to have made Akatsuki
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* Obito telling Konan it was himself, Uchiha Madara who persuaded Yahiko to do it
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* Yahiko
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What I'm asking is if Black Zetsu influenced Madara/Obito who in turn influenced Yahiko or if it was Yahiko's original idea. Because if the former, isn't Black Zetsu technically the true founder and leader of Akatsuki?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:19, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
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:Sewing the seeds and laying groundwork just means you sewed the seeds and laid the groundwork. So, Yahiko is in fact the original founder of Akatsuki. If he got the idea to do so from Tobi who in turn got it from Madara who in turn got it from Black Zetsu, then prime, Yahiko is still the actual founder.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:37, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
== reason for joining ==
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==Image==
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[[File:Akatsuki.png|thumb]]
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hows this for the recent iteration of Akatsuki? we can clearly see all members. --[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] ([[User talk:RexGodwin|talk]]) 20:11, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:I don't know if our eyes are different, but I clearly can't see crap. I can make them out because well, we know who they are, but their bodies are blocked by shadow and a overpowering sun.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:21, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
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::You can't see crap in that image, just a bunch of bodies. If you find a meaningful image that shows all of the Akatsuki '''clearly''', then go ahead and suggest it: otherwise, it's staying. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 21:06, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:::well i was thinking more of putting it in the article somewhere, not necessarily as the infobox pic. :P--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] ([[User talk:RexGodwin|talk]]) 00:28, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
pain stated reasons why each member joined. i know its now removed but you could add it to the trivia saying
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==Zetsu's Ring==
"according to pain, deidara joined on a whim, itachi ideals, zetsu land, blah blah blah (pretend this bits reasons for why each member joined as well) however, he wasnt exactly right on afew thing because deidara was forced to join and itachi joined to protect sasuke and konoha"
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When was his ring ever even seen? I dont remember it so whats the source of it being green come from?--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] ([[User talk:RexGodwin|talk]]) 23:13, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
i understand why the table on why they joined was deleted but u could say that cuz then ppl would know that pain wasnt completely right. {{unsigned|94.192.150.201}}
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:Hiden: no Sho Character Official Data Book, pages 180-181 --[[User:Geohound|geohound]] 06:53, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::and theres a colored picture of his ring?--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] ([[User talk:RexGodwin|talk]]) 21:17, August 21, 2014 (UTC)
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:::The source of his ring being green is most likely [[Return of the Kazekage|this episode]] --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 21:21, August 21, 2014 (UTC)
   
:[[Talk:Akatsuki/Archive 2#Reason for joining]]. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 22:26, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
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== Akatsuki part 1 ==
   
i know theres another one for why they joined but this is sort of different {{unsigned|94.192.150.201}}
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Akatsuki members made a silhouette appearance while they were discussing Orochimaru and the Nine-Tails at the end of part 1. We recognised only 8 members. My question is : who was the 9th akatsuki member at this time? [[User:Sioulu|Sioulu]] ([[User talk:Sioulu|talk]]) 22:53, September 6, 2014 (UTC)
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:Most likely one of Kakuzu's previous partners--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:18, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
== loseing their cloak ==
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Yeah, i think we disscused this already before. Though i think by the new OVA's logic it must be Hidan. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 09:22, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
ive noticed that every akatsuki member(minus konan,but she wasnt part of the organization at the time)who's death has been featured lost or removed their akatsuki cloak during their final battle(im counting hidan,because his head cant wear it).should that be added in trivia?
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==Game Story=non-canon==
[[Special:Contributions/67.65.165.25|67.65.165.25]] ([[User talk:67.65.165.25|talk]]) 08:53, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
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the games storyline is totally condtradicting the manga/anime, Deidara was recruited after Orochimaru had long left, he was the reason they recruited Deidara in the first place; to replace him. The game has Oro stick around long enough until Hidan was recruited which was after Dei, so we really shouldnt use the game for canon events.--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] ([[User talk:RexGodwin|talk]]) 09:36, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
:You and the entire fandom. Don't think it's really interesting. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:49, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
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:Yes, be welcome to change all instances that treat the game's events as canon that you can find.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:07, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
 
more interesting then both leaders wearing the ring on their thumb...just saying
 
[[Special:Contributions/66.142.141.250|66.142.141.250]] ([[User talk:66.142.141.250|talk]]) 07:14, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
I also think it should be added. It is trivia worthy. Rather than saying every member REMOVED their cloaks, it can rather be said every cloak was either removed or partially ripped off (Hidan & Pain's cloaks for example) or affected in someway during said member's final battle. Even Konan's cloak was affected. The last panel showing her death, her cloak's zipper was half way down... And actually if one looks at Madara's cloak (which was also burned during Konan's attack), it signifies when he completely removed the old Akatsuki cloak and took on his new outfit. [[User:Sparxs77|Sparxs77]] ([[User talk:Sparxs77|talk]]) 10:48, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
:I think it is not needed in the trivia. About leaders wearing the ring on their thumb, the other ring was originally worn by Sasori before Tobi (Madara). --[[User:Ilnarutoanime|Ilnarutoanime]] ([[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|talk]]) 12:59, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Originals. ==
 
 
Hey guys, I was just reading Yahikos page and saw the picture of the original Akatsuki and it made me wonder. What happened to these guys? Now please don't get all know it all and blah blah, I'm just quite curious and would love a answer or anything along those lines. Also, one of the orignals standing near Nagato in the picture of the originals, has a striking resemblance to Hidan, no? Thanks for any info! :D [[User:SusanooUnleashed|SusanooUnleashed]] ([[User talk:SusanooUnleashed|talk]]) 12:13, May 5, 2011 (UTC)
 
:This isn't a form any answer to this would be speculation and thus start a forum discussion.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™☺]] 12:14, May 5, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
I wasn't trying to start a forum discussion. I don't like forums and guessing games. I like the truth and facts. I was just wondering if anyone knew or if I'd missed anything. Thanks any ways (: [[User:SusanooUnleashed|SusanooUnleashed]] ([[User talk:SusanooUnleashed|talk]]) 12:18, May 5, 2011 (UTC)
 
:You missed nothing. We don't know anything about the original Akatsuki members except for the [[Ame Orphans]].--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™☺]] 12:25, May 5, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:I have a speculation to that guys... thought it will be confirmed. Sometimes I thought they were the six paths.. just my speculation... --[[User:Ilnarutoanime|Ilnarutoanime26]] <sup> ([[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Ilnarutoanime|Contribs.]]-[[User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Links]]) </sup> 15:16, May 5, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:Nagato says that, after Yahiko's death, their friends all died off. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 16:20, May 5, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Time of Five- and Seven-Tails sealing ==
 
 
it is mentioned in this article that it was before Shippuuden that Akatsuki captured these two tailed beasts. But actually, it is safe to say that at least one of them was captured even before the start of the series. When extracting Shukaku from Gaara, Pain states it would take them 3 days and nights. Kisame asks if it wouldnt take longer since they no longer have Orochimaru with them. Which means that the sealing jutsu must have been performed at least one time while Orochimaru was still in the organisation
 
--[[Special:Contributions/77.181.188.173|77.181.188.173]] ([[User talk:77.181.188.173|talk]]) 20:50, June 28, 2011 (UTC)Timiursa
 
:Not necessarily. Kisame could be pointing out that they're sealing the tailed beast with less than the ideal ten shinobi, Orochimaru being the example of a member who left the organisation, taking his ring with him, meaning no one can replace him. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:23, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
 
:Are the rings really needed for the sealing ritual? Each member is standing on the finger where he wears his Akatuski ring. We can only speculate at this point and the fact that Madara/ Tobi was eager to retrieve Sasoris and Deidaras rings my hint that they are important but it doesnt make sense... Gedo Mazo was summoned by Nagato and it requires Chakra to activate the Dragon Soul Jutsu. Nagato has a lot of chakra and could kill off all of Hanzos and Danzos minions. But ectracting the tailed beasts takes longer and much more chakra, more than Nagato has to offer. So I think the only reason why Madara, Nagato and Konan dont work alone is that they simply dont have enough chakra to defeat strong tailed beasts (8 and 9 tails) and seal them all by themselves. I know, much speculation...--[[Special:Contributions/77.181.188.173|77.181.188.173]] ([[User talk:77.181.188.173|talk]]) 12:52, June 29, 2011 (UTC)Timiursa
 
::I have no idea on how important the rings are. Maybe we'll learn they were created by the Sage of the Six Paths as a sealing technique to keep the Ten-Tails in check if it ever appeared again. Maybe we'll discover that Nagato found them fashionable and made Akatsuki look cooler. We might never know. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:13, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
Orochimaru may have been the reason for the capture of the five/seven tails, and, if the rings are needed for the sealing of the tailed beasts, why would pain give him a ring when they didnt even get a beast? Or it could have been kakuzu and his past parners that have captured them, but we may never know until later in the seires. Possibly around the time when the EOTMP( Eye of The Moon Plan) starts going into action. {{unsigned|71.239.64.143}}
 
 
If Oro ever caught any beasts it would only be one. Deidara when fight Gaara mentioned the previous two jinchurki he caught. Deiedara caught 4, Kisame 1, Hidan/Kakazu 1, and seventh one is unknown but suggested by the anime to have been caught by Pein himself.[[User:Umishiru|Umishiru]] ([[User talk:Umishiru|talk]]) 23:21, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Aka-Tsuki ==
 
 
Red moon, moon with infinite Tsukuyomi casted upon was portrayed as of red colour ... why not to mention it in trivia? {{unsigned|89.173.25.116}}
 
:Because Akatsuki, the groups name, doesn't mean "red moon", it means "dawn". [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:05, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
 
::Remember that Akatsuki wasn't created with that inital thought in mind, at least not by Yahiko.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]] [[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 21:48, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
 
:::<nowiki>*</nowiki>rolls eyes* One day, I would like to see someone connect the 'aka' in 'akatsuki' to the proper word it is derived from… What is with people thinking it comes from 'red moon'? A red moon only appears when there's a solar eclipse. It has nothing to do with dawn or the Akatsuki organisation, for that matter. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 22:32, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
 
Well Aka = Red Tsuki = Moon--[[Special:Contributions/89.173.25.116|89.173.25.116]] ([[User talk:89.173.25.116|talk]]) 00:34, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 
:And 暁 = Akatsuki. This is how the groups name is written. It comes from 明 (bright) and 時 (time). [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:43, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
In rōmaji, Akatsuki can be translated as the red moon.
 
May be a link or a hint : D
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:08, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
:And in rōmaji, paper, god, and hair, are also the same. Homophones exist. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:37, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
but paper and hair have nothing to do with the moon eye plan and akatsuki.
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:46, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:True, but it was just an example. Don't take it too literally :P [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 17:48, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
All I'm saying is that Kishimoto likes to play with words.
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:57, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:That's true but we haven't actually seen the Moon's Eye (not sure what to call it >.>) colored in the manga, so for all we know, it could be red or it could be white (different colored?) like the Rinnegan since the ripple pattern is like that. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 18:04, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
The organization is actually called "red moon" instead of "daybreak" in Road to Ninja's AU, hinting on it's true purpose--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:17, August 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Shouldn't we mention it?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:53, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Sasuke and Kabuto ==
 
 
in the section of Members, shouldn't Sasuke and Kabuto be listed there, even if they are new, they kinda joined. Sasuke's still with akatsuki even without Taka and Kabuto has been a subordinate for akatsuki long ago. I know you guys listed/mentioned that they affiliated with them but officially claiming them as true members seems more reasonable. --[[User:NSSKG|NSSKG]] ([[User talk:NSSKG|talk]]) 23:10, August 6, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
sasuke and kabuto are not officially joined with akatsuki , there just associates with them , besides all members of akatsuki must aquire a ring position which is not given to sasuke or kabuto ...--[[User:KyoyaCloudX|KyoyaCloudX]] ([[User talk:KyoyaCloudX|talk]]) 02:43, August 7, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
Then why is sasukes page does it say he's in of the akatsuki? {{unsigned|76.2.21.40}}
 
:Sasuke is associated with Akatsuki, he isn't a Akatsiku member. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:38, September 22, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Tobi's Goal ==
 
''"He has also stated that he wants people to acknowledge the Uchiha clan and plans to use Sasuke to do so."''
 
 
Can we get a reference for this? I can't seem to find it anywhere and I think it's needed. Thanks in advance. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 05:14, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:I don't remember him saying that none 'tall.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 13:27, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::So... We can delete it? [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 15:51, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
Better to check it out first
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:09, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
:Chapter 463, page 9. Kakashi then confirms it on the next page as well.--[[User:Axel Carnage|Axel Carnage]] ([[User talk:Axel Carnage|talk]]) 09:54, December 10, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Should these people be associates==
 
 
The user, Tnhalbertsma‎ posted this on the page so I'm moving it here:
 
 
I'm sorry, I don't know how to edit this properly, but Sasuke Uchiha, Juugo, Karin and Suigetsu joined Akatsuki as well. For example, at Naruto Shippuuden episode #142 they can all be seen wearing the robes.
 
Someone please fix this.
 
 
If they are to be added it should be in the associates section though, not the members right ? or should they not be added at all ? [[User:ROBO731|<span style="color:#00FF00; font-size:90%; cursor:help;" title="My User Page">ROBO731</span>]] [[User Talk:ROBO731|<span style="color:#4B0082; cursor:help;" title="Message Me">(Talk)</span>]] [[File:Mangekyō_Sharingan_Itachi.svg|17px|link=]] 18:17, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:They are already mentioned (somehow). They just entered in some kind of a coalition. They can't be listed as the members, don't wear rings, do not form the two man cells, Sasuke and Tobi just agreed to cooperate. --[[User:Vecanoi|Vecanoi]] ([[User talk:Vecanoi|talk]]) 18:26, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Okay. [[User:ROBO731|<span style="color:#00FF00; font-size:90%; cursor:help;" title="My User Page">ROBO731</span>]] [[User Talk:ROBO731|<span style="color:#4B0082; cursor:help;" title="Message Me">(Talk)</span>]] [[File:Mangekyō_Sharingan_Itachi.svg|17px|link=]] 18:37, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Tobi's village of Orgin ==
 
 
Since tobi claimed to be Madara Uchiha,wouldn't he be from Konohagakure? {{Unsigned|66.36.157.196}}
 
 
Since we still don't know if Tobi is Madara (somehow) or not, we can't say. Also, claiming something =/= being true. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 02:23, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Merge sections? ==
 
 
Shouldn't the main goal and Pain's goal sections be merged? --[[User:OmegaRasengan|OmegaRasengan]] ([[User talk:OmegaRasengan|talk]]) 21:29, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Tobi's Position as Leader ==
 
 
Could a picture of Tobi revealing his status as the true leader of Akatsuki (when he debuts his Sharingan) be added somewhere? I feel like it's a significant scene in the development in Akatsuki. --[[User:Uchiha Suraku|Uchiha Suraku]] ([[User talk:Uchiha Suraku|talk]]) 16:21, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
:I agree! --[[User:Ilnarutoanime|Ilnarutoanime]] -[[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Neji]][[w:c:Naruto:User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Loverr]]- 16:25, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Order of Deaths? ==
 
I havn't been here for a while and have decided to come back and I'm having trouble keeping the place of deaths of the Akatsuki, from Sasori on it's been a blur. Could anyone help? {{unsigned|151.196.123.78}}
 
:What do you mean? Also sign your posts. —[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]|[[w:c:rockleesheishun|My Wiki]]) 13:21, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
::Probably he is asking the order in which Akatsuki members died --[[User:Salil dabholkar|Salil]] [[File:Uchiha Symbol.svg|15px]] [[User talk:Salil dabholkar|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]([[Special:Contributions/Salil dabholkar|Contributions]]) 13:33, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
::This is the order that they died in:
 
#Sasori
 
#Hidan/Kakuzo
 
#Deidara
 
#Itachi
 
#Nagato
 
--[[User:KiumaruHamachi|KiumaruHamachi]] ([[User talk:KiumaruHamachi|talk]]) 16:16, April 23, 2012 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
 
 
 
== Antagonist ==
 
Except for Orochimaru and Nagato,should we edit the other akatsuki members to which kind of antagonist they are like minor,main,secondary or major antagonist.--[[Special:Contributions/74.15.112.85|74.15.112.85]] ([[User talk:74.15.112.85|talk]]) 02:26, July 20, 2012 (UTC) ==
 
 
== Madara's Role ==
 
 
Should it not be noted that [[Madara Uchiha]] is affiliated with Akatsuki? At this point, it is all but outright stated. And plus, one of the teams of Akatsuki should be noted as Obito and Madara, since it's clear they have a mentor-student relationship of sorts, and even if that's just speculation, we do know they're working together and aware of eachother's plans. Plus, if Yahiko founded Akatsuki on Madara's word (since Obito wasn't born then), then doesn't that make Madara the real leader of the organization? Or something? My main point is that Madara should be noted on this page, in some way. --[[User:Silver-Haired Seireitou|Silver-Haired Seireitou]] ([[User talk:Silver-Haired Seireitou|talk]]) 07:14, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Madara isn't affiliated with them any at all. Even if he did in fact give Yahiko the '''idea''' to form the organisation, from what I've seen he took no part in the organisation at all. He is however affiliated with Tobi and the "secret" goal of the organisation, nothing more.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:15, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Surviving massacre. ==
 
 
Should we really say Obito survived the massacre? I know he did, but should we put his name after Sasuke and Itachi in the trivia section and say something like, "Obito survived the massacre, only because he was thought to be deceased". Or something along those lines? That's like saying, "The rest of the world survived a gun killing, because they weren't present". Just an idea.. [[User:SusanooUnleashed|SusanooUnleashed]] ([[User talk:SusanooUnleashed|talk]]) 07:30, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
:But it doesn't say Obito survived the massacre, it says "the three remaining Uchiha after the massacre". After the massacre, Obito was still ''alive'' no?--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:12, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Original Designs? ==
 
 
On this page it looks like the members of Akatsuki(Minus Itachi, Kisame, and Pain) all had different designs. Is it worth adding that to the trivia?
 
 
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-243-20/naruto/chapter-238.html
 
 
While their mannerisms/personality seem to be the same(Deidara) their designs look a bit different. [[Special:Contributions/173.63.93.233|173.63.93.233]] ([[User talk:173.63.93.233|talk]]) 01:13, September 18, 2012 (UTC)BobBob
 
:Most of them seem more or less the same to me. I see Kisame, Kakuzu, Konan, Itachi, Deidara, Sasori, Hidan, Pain and Zetsu.--[[Special:Contributions/210.56.91.185|210.56.91.185]] ([[User talk:210.56.91.185|talk]]) 01:38, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
You can't really go much off silhouettes. Besides, with the exception that Hidan was shrunk, Deidara who never stood upside down again, and a ninth person I cannot account for, there isn't much difference at all.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:57, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Uchiha Madara ==
 
 
The articles contain incorrect/outdated info, now that we know Tobi is Obito, it was Madara who persuaded Yahiko to create the organization, making the former it's true founder--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 01:23, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== akatsuki is no more ==
 
 
shouldn'T akatsuki be given as finished? Obito is not wearing the cloak anymore and neither is zetsu. It's not like obito just felt like changing akatsuki'S uniform. he is not working for the organization, he never has actually, he was just using it to achieve his and madara'S plan (some parts of it were aligned with akatsuki'S goals). now that akatsuki served its purpose and that most members are dead (zetsu was an accomplice of obito and madara from the beginning), it'S colors and what it represented were discarded. The article should make this clear. any opinions?--[[User:Holyn|Holyn]] ([[User talk:Holyn|talk]]) 15:25, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I think it should be reflected that the organization has already fulfilled it's purpose and is done--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:25, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
: Already fulfilled its purpose? Not nearly. Listen, Akatsuki is still alive and well. The current war is is a fight between the [[Allied Shinobi Forces]] and [[Akatsuki]], which is ''currently'' made up of [[Obito Uchiha]], [[Zetsu]] and his clone army, [[Sasuke]], and their affiliates (the remaining members of [[Taka]] and the Edo Tensei [[Madara]]). Its not in the same form that it was when the series first started, but war will do that to an organization. The ninja villages have changed a lot too due to the war. Akatsuki is still alive and well people. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 02:04, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::Akatsuki was never said to be done, even when it dwindled down to three persons.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:07, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Obito's Goal / Gedo Mazou ==
 
 
Currently in the "Obito's Goal" Section:
 
 
''Currently the body of the Ten-Tails is sealed in the moon due to Sage of the Six Paths using Chibaku Tensei.''
 
 
This is out of date as of the release of chapter 606. It has been revealed that the [[Demonic Statue of the Outer Path]] is the body of the Ten-Tails.
 
[[User:Froklsnt|Froklsnt]] ([[User talk:Froklsnt|talk]]) 16:44, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Fixed.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:32, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== (Hopefully not junk) Trivia ==
 
 
Can it be put into the trivia section that five of the ten Shippuden Akatsuki members died willingly? Sasori, Deidara, Kisame, Itachi, and Nagato? [[Special:Contributions/165.138.142.66|165.138.142.66]] ([[User talk:165.138.142.66|talk]]) 19:17, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
:It is, as you feared, junk trivia.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:20, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
Alright. Just wanted to make sure. It's pretty cool fact though IMO. [[Special:Contributions/165.138.142.66|165.138.142.66]] ([[User talk:165.138.142.66|talk]]) 19:21, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== More Trivia(Possibly) ==
 
 
Can it be said that every Akatsuki member(out of the shippuden 10{with the possible exception of Zetsu}) was '''heavily suggested''' to have died in battle or '''widely believed''' to have been dead at an earlier point in their lives despite being alive and well? --[[Special:Contributions/165.138.142.66|165.138.142.66]] ([[User talk:165.138.142.66|talk]]) 13:12, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Junk Trivia.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:07, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
Got it. Man, I'm beginning to think that I look too deeply into some things... --[[Special:Contributions/165.138.142.66|165.138.142.66]] ([[User talk:165.138.142.66|talk]]) 17:10, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Everybody thinks about stuff like that. It's just that it isn't mentioned in the articles else they'd be overridden with points like that.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:19, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
You have a very good point Cerez. I say we put that in the article. xD jk --[[Special:Contributions/165.138.142.66|165.138.142.66]] ([[User talk:165.138.142.66|talk]]) 17:26, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
 

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on most of the members teams it has Kurama listed as a target; thats not technically true; only Itachi and Nagato were ever canonically assigned to capture Naruto. I do believe it was simply the others chose to go after naruto because he was in the area (Deidara, Sasori, Hidan, etc.) Is it alright if i remove Kurama from the other teams targets?--RexGodwin (talk) 04:40, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

But they targeted him. Well not Hidan and Kakuzu, but, Sasori and Deidara did. This was something Deidara went as far as to apologise to Itachi for beforehand.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 14:33, May 4, 2013 (UTC)
No, Hidan and kauzu did too; they said they were going to Konoha to find Naruto. Besides, they weren't officially assigned to capture him, it was just Sasori and Deidara's choice to get him since he was there.--RexGodwin (talk) 03:21, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Member Status and Additional ColumnEdit

Konan is dead, can I change her status to deceased? Also, I remember before there was a column that listed which particular ninja killed/incapacitated the member, i.e. Nara Shikamaru for Hidan. Why was that taken down? --Littlemissdoodle (talk) 23:46, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

See here for why konan isn't added. Also, I don't recall the killer list on this page, but we do have that on the Plot page. — SimAnt 23:55, May 21, 2013 (UTC)
Got it, thanks. Well now, that was analyzed down to the intricacies. Saw the plot page too but that's not it. I distinctly remember the additional column, either way I'll sort through the archives / other pages. Maybe there was a prior discussion that merited its removal. --Littlemissdoodle (talk) 00:12, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Kumogakure & Akatsuki Edit

I came across this line on the page and couldn't help but think it was a little off for some reason:

"The Fourth Raikage claims that only Kumogakure has never used Akatsuki's services"
Is this accurate? From what I understood, during the Kage Summit, the Raikage said that Kumogakure never produced any missing-nin that joined Akatsuki, not that they had never used it's services before. I draw this conclusion based on the fact that there are no current or former Cloud ninja aligned with Akatsuki and that it seems unlikely that Konoha would use Akatsuki's "services" after their reformation prior to the third shinobi world war, considering Pain's goals would have been to destroy Konoha and capture the Nine Tails. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't have that particular episode in front of me so I'm not sure if that statement is wrong or if it was simply mistranslated. --Furbag (talk) 05:05, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

this might have been discussed already, but... Edit

Shouldn't Taka be treated as members instead of an associated group? They were even given cloaks, something only Akatsuki members wear. It was very brief, but it was nonetheless--Elveonora (talk) 19:34, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

It has been discussed before somewhere. They're not considered members because they never wore the rings. It goes back to Tobi getting into the group after recovering Sasori's ring and taking his spot. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:02, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
Oh right, not just cloaks, forgot the rings need to be worn as a sort of membership recognition as well. Most of them are no longer available tho :)
  • Deidara's = gone in a suicidal explosion
  • Hidan's = decomposed by earth
  • Kisame's = made sharks' feces
  • Kakuzu's = turned into gunpowder with wind-powered grinder
  • Konan's = rusted by water
  • Orochimaru's = rotten; not recommended for further use due to odor and bacteria being present... also who knows where that guy sticked his fingers
  • Nagato's = should be in Obito's possession
  • Sasori's = still on Obito's finger? Haven't noticed, since his face alone occupies my attention
  • Itachi's = should be in Obito's possession; blood present, possible risk of STD
  • Zetsu's = burnt by magical eyes/cut by shark sword or just thrown away
See? 2 rings just simply wouldn't do for 3 members ;D--Elveonora (talk) 17:27, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
We don't really know how the rings worked, or what they were made of. Just because most are unavailable, doesn't mean they've been destroyed. Their purpose seemed to be related to the sealing of the tailed beasts, but that was never explained in detail. We'll either never hear from them again (most likely), or there will be a WTF plot twist in which they'll be recovered, revealed to be relics from or related to the Sage of the Six Paths and the splitting of the Ten-Tails, and required to do something about the Ten-Tails. You heard it here first, and I did call the Second Mizukage being a Hōzuki before anyone else here. Kishimoto took 400+ chapters to reveal the Zabuza's sword had a power, and we're about the same chapter distance since the rings were introduced. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:21, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
Likin' your enthusiasm about something as minor. For your sake I hope those don't turn to be just costume jewelry. But a nice theory nonetheless, will be sure to credit you on all known forums in case it comes to pass ;D--Elveonora (talk) 19:08, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
I was joking up there. I have no expectation that the rings will ever be relevant, let alone mentioned or shown again. But please, do credit me if my some miracle if it ever does come to pass. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:52, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Deidara and Tobi Edit

The article states that "After Deidara's death, Tobi revealed his true personality and began to actively work to his own goals." While this statement is technically true, it seems to imply that Deidara had no idea who Tobi was. But we don't know that for sure. For all we know Deidara was just playing along when Tobi was acting "childish". He surely witnessed Tobi subduing Isobu without a struggle. Didn't show any hint of surprise and just went on one of his rants about art. The way I see it, even if he didn't know about Obito and stuff, he atleast knew it was Madara or some other Uchiha with a freakin powerful Sharingan. There's also the part when Tobi tells Kisame "Sorry you're the last to know" or something like that. Which could very well mean that all the other Akatsuki members knew he was much more than the "childish" personality he played on-screen, including Deidara.--Karunyan (talk) 02:58, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

Nothing in the manga implies Deidara did know Tobi's identify, so neither should we. If he had known Tobi had a Sharingan, he'd have ranted about it, since he sees those that possess the Sharingan as having no respect for his art. Deidara and many others were already dead or no longer part of Akatsuki when he told Kisame that, they didn't count or matter any more. Tobi meant of the people still involved. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:45, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

Road to Ninja Edit

When was it implied that Itachi was the leader of the Genjutsu Akatsuki???? there was nothing to really show that, that's just a fan speculation that's better off removed--Deathmailrock (talk) 22:58, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

He certainly looked like the leader. This might come from some press release about the movie. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:53, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Inactive? Edit

We know that Obito's defected, but should we consider the same for Black Zetsu and the White Zetsu clones? Madara was never technically a part of the organization and they returned to his side. Same plan, different organization, in this case it's Madara himself with his personal goal, not acting under Akatsuki. --Mandon (talk) 00:28, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

hmmmm, I'd like to say that Madara is in full control of the organization and Black Zetsu as the only member along with the white zetsu army surviving since they are still fighting after Obito's defection. Madara is one of Akatsuki's founders and the true real mastermind in its current incarnation even though he didn't live to see it's formation and that he left Obito to do it by encouraging Yahiko. Akatsuki doesn't have a common goal but with members with different goal as stated in wiki as of now so having Madara's personal goal added wouldn't be a problem but we still have to confirm it if we agree and that we'll see once the story shows it. --Masurao14 (talk) 00:28, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Madara's affiliation with Akatsuki Edit

I just want to make some contributions regarding Madara's affiliation with Akatsuki and I know it's not confirmed if Madara is the founder of Akatsuki's current incarnation since he influenced Yahiko in it's creation but it would make him a spiritual founder since he passed it on to Obito and Nagato. Yahiko is the founder of Akatsuki but the Akatsuki right now is founded by Obito and Nagato as well whom Obito in the first place was influenced by Madara. Speaking of which, Madara needs to have Akatsuki affiliation because Kabuto has one already since he came back before his defeat as an associate. It's okay if Madara is an associate but he could be considered as a leader right now since Obito defected and that he is a spiritual founder from the start. --Masurao14 (talk) 22:11, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Obito and ZetsuEdit

Looking over their history together throughout the times in Akatsuki and beyond, I really don't think it's too farfetched to classify them as partners. Zetsu is basically the Konan to Obito's Nagato. A chapter cover even called Zetsu Tobi's assistant. I mean they weren't officially partners as far as Tobi/Deidara, Itachi/Kisame and the like, but Obito and Madara weren't technically either, now were they?--RexGodwin (talk) 21:47, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Goals Edit

I may have started this discussion a long time ago and got no responses. Shouldn't this be changed up? Having Yahiko's goal as the Original Goal, Nagato's as the Main Goal, and then just Obito's Goal? Also, I find Itachi's goal unneeded since that section is about the goals of the leaders. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 06:43, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

Nagato's true goal differed from what he explained to Hidan. Not sure if the cover-up should count as the "main goal" though.--BeyondRed (talk) 07:12, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

Obito's AkatsukiEdit

The main image should be labeled as "Obito's Akatsuki" rather than "Nagato's Akatsuki" as Obito was the group's true leader and mastermind after Yahiko's death. Nagato was merely a proxy leader and as such, it would be incorrect to claim Akatsuki as his. Kenny U (talk) 21:18, February 19, 2014 (UTC)Kenny U

While technically true, Tobi was not the recognized leader of Akatsuki. In fact he never was. He pulled the strings and had Pain do what he wanted, but he was never the official leader.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 22:47, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
He was recognized as leader by Nagato and Konan themselves and Zetsu as well, and after Nagato's demise Kisame recognized him as the one who was truly the leader. Kenny U (talk) 00:42, February 20, 2014 (UTC)KennyU
But Nagato was still the leader as far as day-to-day activities were concerned, everyone else answered to him. Nagato is the CEO. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:49, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
The others answers to Nagato, but Nagato answered to Obito. I would say that makes Obito the leader wouldn't you say? I'm fairly certain that there are times where Nagato literally addresses Obito as "Leader". --Kenny U (talk) 00:53, February 20, 2014 (UTC)Kenny U
Nagato never called Tobi Leader. In fact, right before sending Pain to get the Nine-Tails, Tobi said something along the lines "Do this, you are the Akatsuki Leader after all" or something to that effect. Basically, while Obito was running the show, Obito only really manipulated Nagato. Nagato was still the official leader of Akatsuki.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 12:39, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

Nagato Edit

Why is Nagato listed as "Defected"? He is clearly dead, or why would he be reincarnated during the war? I would edit it myself but Jacce protected the page. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 17:36, July 4, 2014 (UTC)

Because he defected from Akatsuki before he died. • Seelentau 愛 17:46, July 4, 2014 (UTC)
Isn't he technically both? In a way, saying he's "defected" makes him sound like he is still alive, but he isn't. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 17:51, July 4, 2014 (UTC)
While yes he is technically both, as far as Akatsuki is concerned, he defected and is no longer their problem. Same reason why Konan and Orochimaru are listed as "Defected".--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 18:39, July 4, 2014 (UTC)
its as simple as... did he die loyal like Sasori, Kakuzu, Deidara, Kisame, Hidan (techicality), and White Zetsu? Nope. Same as Konan, Orochimaru, and Obito who renounced Akatsuki before their deaths.--RexGodwin (talk) 13:55, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

True founder Edit

Okay... so who is it? We have:

  • Black Zetsu stating himself to have made Akatsuki
  • Obito telling Konan it was himself, Uchiha Madara who persuaded Yahiko to do it
  • Yahiko

What I'm asking is if Black Zetsu influenced Madara/Obito who in turn influenced Yahiko or if it was Yahiko's original idea. Because if the former, isn't Black Zetsu technically the true founder and leader of Akatsuki?--Elveonora (talk) 11:19, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

Sewing the seeds and laying groundwork just means you sewed the seeds and laid the groundwork. So, Yahiko is in fact the original founder of Akatsuki. If he got the idea to do so from Tobi who in turn got it from Madara who in turn got it from Black Zetsu, then prime, Yahiko is still the actual founder.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 11:37, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

ImageEdit

File:Akatsuki.png

hows this for the recent iteration of Akatsuki? we can clearly see all members. --RexGodwin (talk) 20:11, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

I don't know if our eyes are different, but I clearly can't see crap. I can make them out because well, we know who they are, but their bodies are blocked by shadow and a overpowering sun.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 20:21, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
You can't see crap in that image, just a bunch of bodies. If you find a meaningful image that shows all of the Akatsuki clearly, then go ahead and suggest it: otherwise, it's staying. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 21:06, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
well i was thinking more of putting it in the article somewhere, not necessarily as the infobox pic. :P--RexGodwin (talk) 00:28, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

Zetsu's RingEdit

When was his ring ever even seen? I dont remember it so whats the source of it being green come from?--RexGodwin (talk) 23:13, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Hiden: Tō no Sho Character Official Data Book, pages 180-181 --geohound 06:53, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
and theres a colored picture of his ring?--RexGodwin (talk) 21:17, August 21, 2014 (UTC)
The source of his ring being green is most likely this episode --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 21:21, August 21, 2014 (UTC)

Akatsuki part 1 Edit

Akatsuki members made a silhouette appearance while they were discussing Orochimaru and the Nine-Tails at the end of part 1. We recognised only 8 members. My question is : who was the 9th akatsuki member at this time? Sioulu (talk) 22:53, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

Most likely one of Kakuzu's previous partners--Elveonora (talk) 09:18, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, i think we disscused this already before. Though i think by the new OVA's logic it must be Hidan. Munchvtec (talk) 09:22, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Game Story=non-canonEdit

the games storyline is totally condtradicting the manga/anime, Deidara was recruited after Orochimaru had long left, he was the reason they recruited Deidara in the first place; to replace him. The game has Oro stick around long enough until Hidan was recruited which was after Dei, so we really shouldnt use the game for canon events.--RexGodwin (talk) 09:36, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, be welcome to change all instances that treat the game's events as canon that you can find.--Elveonora (talk) 11:07, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

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