Talk: Naming policy

English or Most-Common name?

Do we use the most-common name, or do we use the Official name for naming things... because Viz uses "The Foundation" while most scanlations use "Root"... and it doesn't talk about us using official names or fan names.Shirokage 00:49, 12 October 2008 (UTC)shirokage

Viz is using "The Foundation", then uses of Root should be changed. We use official names, not poorly translated fan names. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) ^(talk) current discussion Oct 12, 2008 _@ 02:00 ^(UTC)

I would like to point out Ne, does correctly translate into Root. So technically its not a poorly translated name but its english version. Just felt like pointing that out...^_^--TheUltimate3 03:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Still, Ne was translated by VIZ as "The Foundation" so that's what NP should use.

Why do you guys assume that the English dub is correct or the most accurate? Watch the sub and the dub and notice the difference. Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da (talk) 11:41, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Romaji v. "English" name

Again, I find errors in the rules.

The sentence regarding Pain says "When a character has not appeared in the dub or been listed in a databook, then Japanese romaji for their name is used for the primary name. " but it says "Pain not Pein". That makes no sense... The romaji says "Pein" so why isn't Pein used? [[User: Shirokage|白影]] [[User talk: Shirokage|Talk to Shirokage]] 02:16, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot to click "Raw signature"... 白影 ^{Talk to Shirokage} 02:17, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Because Pain has appeared in a databook as "Pain". Perhaps the sections are not clear, you could fix them up. The issue looks like you are confused about what note is for what examples. The examples are below the note on them. If you read it that way then the page should start to make more sense to you. Open for suggestions on what kind of formatting will make that easier to see. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) ^(talk) Dec 17, 2008 _@ 02:50 ^(UTC)

I was reading it wrong. I thought the part "When a character has not appeared in the dub or been listed in a databook, then Japanese romaji for their name is used for the primary name. " was for Pain, while it was "hen a character has not yet appeared in the English dub then the Official name listed in the latest version of the databook should be used as the primary name." (i.e. I thought the rule was below the example, when it was vice versa). 白影 ^{Talk to Shirokage} 02:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Jutsu Names

The Jutsu names section completely violates almost all rules set in English anime Wiki's. English names should always be used. This is not a fan database, it is a formal encyclopedia, and thus English names should be used. 白影 ^{Talk to Shirokage} 02:15, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

There was a large discussion on how to name jutsu awhile back. We decided on sticking with the literal translation of the kanji for the justu name. The main rationales I can remember were:

The Japanese name of the jutsu is the most correct original form of a name.
However both the kanji and romaji forms of most jutsu names are extremely hard for English readers to understand and would make reading articles tough.
There is an extreme quantity of Jutsu, many of these take ages before they ever get an official English name.
If we opted for using some variant of the Japanese name till the English name came out, then the wiki would end up extremely inconsistent and it would be extremely hard to keep it up to date.
Using literal translations also makes us reasonably compatible with Wikipedia's content.

Do understand that we are not using fan names, we are using the literal translation of the kanji (As you can see by our use of Fire Release: Intelligent Hard Work instead of "Fire Release: Cranium Carver" which is the fan name used by fansubs). Also understand that this policy is far from violating things as you think, in fact I believe Wikipedia pretty much uses the same policy on naruto jutsu names. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) ^(talk) Dec 18, 2008 _@ 03:22 ^(UTC)

Wikipedia always uses the official name, unless there is none, in which case the most common name is used for "Fire Release: Intelligent Hard Work" "Fire Release: Cranium Carver" would have been used (most likely, as it's the common name). Read Wikipedia:WP:MOS-JP, and Wikipedia:WP:MOS-AM. 白影 ^{Talk to Shirokage} 20:18, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Dub names

Why do we use dub names? wouldn't manga names be better since you know, dubs aren't always accurate and prone to changes. Look at Dragon Ball to understand what I'm talking about--{{SUBST:User:Rod/autosig}} 20:59, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Where is there a dub name? ~Snapper T o 22:36, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Bogus edit

Someone has misinterpreted the Naming policy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this policy is for the naming of articles right ? This does not affect images or fair use rationales ? If so, then that edit should just be reverted. TheUltimate3 has added that just to push his completely stupid, opinionated edit on a rationale for no reason at all. Since when has it been wrong to use [[Edo Tensei]] in a fair use rationale ?????? Someone tell me I'm not going mad here and that everything I'm saying right here is right. --Speysider ^{Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | My Wiki | Channel} 22:43, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Part of proving that yes, this was the standard long before you graced our halls. More to follow.--TheUltimate3

^(talk) 23:07, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Nobody is questioning the standard for article pages, what I'm questioning is your edit since it seems like it was made for the purpose of our little argument so you can stop me and everyone else from using redirect links on rationales, which has not been a problem for several years, until you decided to just randomly edit it for no reason whatsoever. I would also like it if you could not be involved here, because you will just cause an argument that I'm sick and tired of having. --Speysider ^{Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | My Wiki | Channel} 23:10, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Who's to say they weren't a problem years ago? If you hadn't noticed there are tons of things that should get don't that hasn't. And I don't want to cause an argument, I try to go out of my way not to talk to you at all. But, here we are.--TheUltimate3

^(talk) 23:19, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

The promised second link. to quote the part I care about;

"About our naming policy: It seems to me that we actually have a consistently used, if unwritten, naming policy. For the most part, any way... Technique names are literally translated, Technique categories (Ninjutsu, Kinjutsu, Hiden Jutsu) are left untranslated, The two most important techniques in the series (Rasengan and Chidori) are also left untranslated, Ninja ranks (Jōnin, ANBU, Kage) are also left untranslated, Country names (Land of Fire, Land of Rivers) are translated, Village names (Konohagakure, Sunagakure) are left untranslated, Other terms not unique to the series (Shuriken, Smoke Bomb) are translated only if they are either not well-known or usually translated, Other terms unique to the series (Tailed Beast, Nature Transformation) are usually translated. There are exceptions, of course. Life Transfer Techniques, the Foundation, Jinchūriki, Shinra Tensei, ... These can be solved with proper, written guidelines, though. Still, on the whole, we do seem to have a naming policy."

It has been edited, naturally over the course of the years, but it's pretty much this.--TheUltimate3 ^(talk) 23:29, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Speysider, I don't see how that edit is in any way relevant to what you are talking about. TU3 clarified how we handle locations and fixed the justu name section to reflect the naming policy that we've grown into enforcing over the years. That edit changes absolutely nothing to do with whether the policy applies to image pages or not. It looks like you're just picking random changes to the wiki that have nothing to do with you and acting as if they are an offence to you.

And there is no point to bringing "Edo Tensei" into this discussion because we're not debating whether or not that's the standard name to go by, because if you were you'd be having the discussion on Talk:Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation where it seems undebated that "Edo Tensei" is not the standard name we use on the wiki. ~ Daniel Friesen ^{(DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk ⁝ Animanga Talk)} 06:13, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

Considering that the edit was made within 10 minutes of an image row, it's obvious I'm going to assume it was made on part of that row. But whatever. Everyone here makes me look to be a bad guy for no apparent reason when I don't even do anything wrong. --Speysider ^{Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | My Wiki | Channel} 11:11, August 8, 2012 (UTC)