Infobox talk:Nagato

Talk:Pain

Add Jutsu

Benshō Tenin needs to be added. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:59, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce 19:00, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Benshō Tenin needs to be changed to Banshō Ten'in. --ShounenSuki 08:01, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Could someone please change Sealing Technique Absorption Seal to Blocking Technique Absorption Seal? --ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs)} 20:49, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletion

I believe now that we have a infobox for Nagato we should just go ahead and delete this one as it no longer serves a purpose. ¥ Super Novice ↔ Talk ² Me ¥ 03:19, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Agh... people we're supposed to move this, not create a brand new infobox. Now I have to fix it. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) ^(talk) Apr 4, 2009 _@ 04:44 ^(UTC)

You could just delete it saving yourself the work. ¥ Super Novice ↔ Talk ² Me ¥ 04:55, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

No, that would violate the GFDL by making it look like people who contributed to the page never contributed. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) ^(talk) Apr 4, 2009 _@ 05:00 ^(UTC)

I see so...are you going to take this page off protection like the last one was? ¥ Super Novice ↔ Talk ² Me ¥ 05:01, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Nagato

Picture

I've changed the cover picture to the Color Image from chapter 442. This is the actual picture of Nagato, not Pain. The old pic should either be used on the God Realm section or on Yahiko's page. If somebody want's to change it, please just change it to a higher quality scan and not just the old God Realm pic, please. --NurXang (talk) 20:41, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't we atleast shrink this image down a bit so it's somewhat better to look at. Currently anyone can see how low teh quality is. ¥ Super Novice ↔ Talk ² Me ¥ 20:43, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Here's where I am coming from. Pain and Nagato are the same people. No matter how you look at it, they are the same person. The image of the Deva Path is the first image we have of Pain. Similar to how we use the pictures of 12 year old Naruto instead of 15-16 year old Naruto. The picture of the Deva Path can't be used in Yahiko's page because that is not Yahiko, as he is dead.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 20:59, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying, but Pain and Nagato are not the same thing. Pain (or the 6 paths) is a technique used by Nagato. If the page was still focused on Pain then i would agree with you, but it is now titled the Nagato page. This is the best manga image we have of Nagato's body, not God Realm Pain. --NurXang (talk) 21:38, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Wow, you guys actually went and got this crap protected. Jesus... I'm out, guys, I'm out. I thought i'd give this wiki thing a try for a while, but no, you tools had to go and pull this crap. Really neat how this works, actually. Go ahead and kick me out or whatever, but i think that is is a load of crap if this is how you guys solve disputes. Peace, --NurXang (talk) 21:43, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Response to the First Thing. Not sure why I missed it; But they are the same thing. That's why the Paths were so different and unusual. Nagato was the Six Paths. As such he first appeared as the Deva Path. That's why it was being used. In truth the page MUST focus on Pain moreso than Nagato because if you don't, Nagato has done NOTHING but stand in a tree and cough up blood.

Response to the Second Thing; We aren't kicking you out. Dantman decided to prevent a Revert War that would have dragged on into the night (Because your edits weren't vandalism, you were in no danger of blocking. At least from me.)--TheUltimate3 (talk) 21:47, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

(Edit conflicted) You two were revert warring, thus it was protected. It was protected with the old image because our policy is to use the older version of things when protecting things against revert wars. Discussion is still open, though Talk:Nagato#NEW PIC has a bit more intensive conversation so that might be the better place to discuss. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) ^(talk) Apr 3, 2009 _@ 21:49 ^(UTC)

hahahahah. you guys can go ahead and login to a page titled Nagato and see somebody that isn't him. that's fine. As a matter of fact, i really don't care at this point. because it turns out that this whole wiki operates much differently than i read when i signed up. The reason i said you could kick me out is because i see no further reason to log in again, mainly because i have no connections to admins, nor have i "been here longer" ( a line i've been told enough times to count on both hands), nor do i have a banhammer to threaten everybody with. Well done! :D--NurXang (talk) 22:03, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

But they are him, Pain and Nagato are the same person. And for the readers the first body he uses is most relevant since that's the first image anyone watching the series will encounter.

As for your comments on the banhammer, that has absolutely no relevance. No-one has threatened to ban you and that's not the reason we have sysop flags, sysops work for the community, they don't control it. The only reason you'd be banned is if you were doing something against the community and wouldn't stop. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) ^(talk) Apr 3, 2009 _@ 22:14 ^(UTC)

I may have actually waved it. I honestly do not remember, but I do wave it threateningly to keep some members in line. From where I stand, it goes like this. 2 Camps. Good Members and Problem Members. Good Members get the banhammer speech when revert wars start (be it adding something unnecessary and it gets reverted, or unneeded), then you have the Problem Members, who get banned out right. If I did wave the banhammer to NurXang, it for the former (the Good Member part).--TheUltimate3 (talk) 22:18, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I believe he thought you'd ban him when he read this: Response to the Second Thing; We aren't kicking you out. Dantman decided to prevent a Revert War that would have dragged on into the night (Because your edits weren't vandalism, you were in no danger of blocking. At least from me.)--TheUltimate3 (talk) 21:47, 3 April 2009 (UTC) *shrugs* ¥ Super Novice ↔ Talk ² Me ¥ 22:21, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Wow that's what it sounded like? God it sounded so much better in my head. Like I said, he was in no danger. I don't block revert wars...unless you know their were actual vandals. Disagreements go back and forth until I go to sleep or someone of higher authority, and or, just smarter comes along.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 22:26, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Should we remove the deva path pic now?? Deva path is pretty much destroyed, and the Deva path is just a jutsu nagato uses.....but anyway...it is destroyed now..AlienGamer | Talk 10:31, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

No, people need to start understanding this properly. Recent changes have no relevance to these kinds of things. We won't remove the deva path for the same reason we use Part I pics instead of Part II. Recent changes in things don't suddenly change things and make it as if something that happened in the past never happened. We are an aggregated information source, NOT a current news, because something happens in the recent story doesn't mean that what happened in the earlier story disappears. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) ^(talk) May 22, 2009 _@ 15:55 ^(UTC)

This is probably allready decided, but i'll say this anyway...I agree with the users in the above posts...This is Nagato's page, not the paths or Yahito's page, So it only makes sense to only keep Nagato's pic, not Yahito's as well....Yes, his first appearence was with the deva path, but sasori's first appearence was in Hiruko...U'r not gonna put a pic of Hiruko And Sasori, as that was only a technique used by Nagato...Its allready been decided that the paths of Pain is a jutsu utilized by Nagato....Frm wat I see, in Nagato's article, only Nagato's pic should be displayed, not his and Yahito's...They r 2 different ppl...I might sound stupid...but the fact is that this is Nagato's page, not the paths of pain page, or yahito's page....anyway....i dont wanna drag this on, so watevr opinion comes next, i'll accept it..AlienGamer | Talk 16:05, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

And i DO understand that this isn't a current news site, but an information site......just thought i'd state sum facts..AlienGamer | Talk 16:09, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually there was a long discussion and it was decided we were going to do the same thing for Sasori and Hiruko. It's just no'one has gotten around to finding a good Hiruko pic that we can put next to Sasori. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) ^(talk) May 23, 2009 _@ 00:13 ^(UTC)

K..AlienGamer | Talk 04:54, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Link Ame Orphans

Can someone please link Ame Orphans as I made a page for them. ¥ Super Novice ↔ Talk ² Me ¥ 21:34, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

No. You I am going to delete that page. I'll do it now.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 21:38, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

May i ask why it should be deleted? ¥ Super Novice ↔ Talk ² Me ¥ 21:38, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

It was a joke...I added it to the infobox...--TheUltimate3 (talk) 21:39, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Don't do that. You had me hear upset cause I put in so much work to make sure I didn't break an rules etc. Thanks though Ultimate. Good joke too. ¥ Super Novice ↔ Talk ² Me ¥ 21:40, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

*slap*, you're two days late with that april fools... ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) ^(talk) Apr 3, 2009 _@ 21:52 ^(UTC)

/cry--TheUltimate3 (talk) 21:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Jutsu Selectivity

I feel as though the time has come to revamp what goes into the Jutsu list for Nagato. I feel like we should remove the jutsu that Nagato's path's perform, and only stick with the techniques that Nagato's real body has actually done. We've already classified the Six Paths as a jutsu in it's own right, so at this point we're just clogging the infobox with incorrect information. For the record, i'm one of the guys that's advocating a sepearate page for the six paths, which would simplify things to a greater degree.--Newthx2u (talk) 21:42, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

First always remember to sign your comments so we know who is talking.

Second I disagree with removing the jutsu that the paths of Pain use. Those bodies are under Nagato's control, being dead they have no free will of their own. For any of those bodies to use one of the jutsu they have been shown using he, Nagato, would technically have to know how it's done to preform them, thus having to know the jutsu. What I do believe should be done is a way to highlight which jutsu Nagato, not one of his paths of Pain, has been shown using. ¥ Super Novice ↔ Talk ² Me ¥ 21:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

As of now there are only two jutsu Nagato has actually performed with his own body: Wind Release: Violent Wind Palm, and Six Paths of Pain. Seems to me like we could just separate them from the rest of the list, and your highlighting idea works well too. Unfortunately the damn thing's still locked after NurXang was exiled, so we'll just have to wait, i guess. --Newthx2u (talk) 02:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually the page is still locked from another incident. After the... 'thing' , for lack of better term,, with NurXang Dantman had unlocked the page. I later discoverd that the 'Infobox:Pain still exisited and requested it's deletion due to it no longer being necessary. Since the Pain infobox was still locked after Dantman merged the two he never unlocked this one. Eitehr because he forgot, didn't noticed or whatever. So yeah that how it happened. I really believe that the two jutsus should just be bolded. making it appear like this:

{{Infobox/Character/Start
	| name                 = Nagato
	| english              = 
	| kanji                = 長門
	| romanji              = 
	| other                = Pain (ペイン)
	| image name           = Pain Tendou Color.jpg 
	| image size           = 
	| image caption        = 
	| image                = 	
	| float                = right
	| ref                  = 
}}
{{Infobox/Character/Appears
	| manga debut          = 
* Chapter 238 (Hologram)
* Chapter 363 (In Person)
	| anime debut          = Episode 135 (Hologram)
	| appears in           = Anime and Manga
}}
{{Infobox/Character/Voice
	| japanese             = {{Voice actors|ja|Ken'yū Horiuchi}}
	| english              = {{Voice actors|en|Dave Wittenberg}}
}}
{{Infobox/Character/Naruto/Ninja
	| rank                 = 
	| classification       = S-Class
}}
{{Infobox/Character/Personal
	| birthdate            = September 19 
	| age                  =  
	| height               = 176.5 cm (Deva Path)
	| weight               = 57.2 kg (Deva Path)
	| gender               = Male
	| species              = 
	| blood type           = 
}}
{{Infobox/Character/Naruto/Akatsuki
	| ring                 = {{translation|零|nothing, zero}}
	| position             = Right thumb
}}
{{Infobox/Character/Loyalty
	| partner              = [[Konan]]
	| previous partner     = 
	| affiliation          = 
* [[Akatsuki]]
* [[Amegakure]]
	| previous affiliation = 
	| team                 = 
	| previous team        = [[Ame Orphans]] 
	| occupation           = 
*Akatsuki Leader
*Village Leader
	| previous occupation  =
}}
{{Infobox/Character/Other
	| title                = Family 
	| hidden               = 
	| ref                  = 
	| 
}}
{{Infobox/Character/Other
	| title                = Nature Type
	| hidden               = 
	| ref                  = 
	| 
* [[Wind Release|Wind]]
* [[Water Release|Water]]
* [[Fire Release|Fire]]
* [[Lightning Release|Lightning]]
* [[Earth Release|Earth]]
* Sixth form of [[Nature Transformation]], likely [[Nature Transformation#Yin and Yang|Yin-Yang]]
}}
{{Infobox/Character/Other
	| title                = Jutsu
	| hidden               = 
	| ref                  = 
	| 
* [[Amplification Summoning Technique]] (Canine Summon)
* [[Banshō Ten'in]]
* [[Chibaku Tensei]]
* [[Fierce Raining at Will]]
* [[Five Seals Barrier]]
* [[Flaming Arrow of Amazing Ability]]
* [[Illusionary Dragon Nine Consuming Seals]]
* [[King of Hell]]
* [[Magic Lantern Body Technique]]
* [[Mirrored Sudden Attacker]]
* [[Panda Iron Wall]] (Panda Summon)
* [[Sealing Technique Absorption Seal]]
* [[Shapeshifting Technique]]
* [[Shinra Tensei]]
* '''[[Nagato#Six paths of Pain|Six paths of Pain]]'''<!--It has been stated already and everyone has come to an agreement that this is a jutsu Nagato is utilizing.-->
* [[Soul Removal]] (Unnamed)
* [[Summoning Technique]] (Multiple)
* [[Water Release: Violent Bubble Wave]] (Crustacean Summon)
* [[Water Release: Violent Water Wave]]
* '''[[Wind Release: Violent Wind Palm]]'''
}}
{{Infobox/Character/End}}

Not much different but still noticable...somewhat. ¥ Super Novice ↔ Talk ² Me ¥ 02:54, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Looks good, but we'll need some sort of footnote to let people know why they're actually in bold. Other than that i'd say we can call this a mission accomplished. --Newthx2u (talk) 03:12, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Combined Example

{{Infobox/Character/Start
	| name                 = Nagato
	| english              = 
	| kanji                = 長門
	| romanji              = 
	| other                = Pain (ペイン, ''pein'')
	| image name           = 
	| image size           = 
	| image caption        = 
	| image                =
{{{!}}
{{!}}[[Image:Pain Tendou Color.jpg|thumb|150px|Pain's Deva path, first appearance shown]]
{{!}}[[Image:Nagato.jpg|thumb|150px|Nagato's physical body]]
{{!}}}
	| float                = right
	| ref                  = 
}}
{{Infobox/Character/End}}

Edit

Can a sysop please replace the current infobox with the following? ~SnapperTo 19:53, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

{{Infobox/Character/Start
	| name                 = Nagato
	| english              = 
	| kanji                = 長門
	| romanji              = 
	| other                = Pain (ペイン)
	| image name           = Pain Tendou Color.jpg 
	| image size           = 
	| image caption        = 
	| image                = 	
	| float                = right
	| ref                  = 
}}
{{Infobox/Character/Appears
	| manga debut          = 
* Chapter 238 (Hologram)
* Chapter 363 (In Person)
	| anime debut          = ''Naruto'' Episode 135 (Hologram)
	| appears in           = Anime and Manga
}}
{{Infobox/Character/Voice
	| japanese             = {{Voice actors|ja|Ken'yū Horiuchi}}
	| english              = {{Voice actors|en|Dave Wittenberg}}
}}
{{Infobox/Character/Naruto/Ninja
	| rank                 = 
	| classification       = S-Class
}}
{{Infobox/Character/Personal
	| birthdate            = September 19<!--<ref name="dNag">Third Databook, page 120</ref>-->
	| age                  =  
	| height               = 176.5 cm (Deva Path)<!--<ref name="dPai">Third Databook, pages 153-157</ref>-->
	| weight               = 57.2 kg (Deva Path)<!--<ref name="dPai"/>-->
	| gender               = Male
	| species              = 
	| blood type           = A<!--<ref name="dNag"/>-->
}}
{{Infobox/Character/Naruto/Akatsuki
	| ring                 = {{translation|零|nothing, zero}}
	| position             = Right thumb
}}
{{Infobox/Character/Loyalty
	| partner              = [[Konan]]
	| previous partner     = 
	| affiliation          = 
* [[Akatsuki]]
* [[Amegakure]]
	| previous affiliation = 
	| team                 = 
	| previous team        = [[Ame Orphans]] 
	| occupation           = 
*Akatsuki Leader
*Village Leader
	| previous occupation  =
}}
{{Infobox/Character/Other
	| title                = Nature Type
	| hidden               = 
	| ref                  = 
	| 
* [[Wind Release|Wind]]
* [[Water Release|Water]]
* [[Fire Release|Fire]]
* [[Lightning Release|Lightning]]
* [[Earth Release|Earth]]
* Sixth form of [[Nature Transformation]], likely [[Nature Transformation#Yin and Yang|Yin-Yang]]
}}
{{Infobox/Character/Other
	| title                = Jutsu
	| hidden               = 
	| ref                  = 
	| 
* [[Banshō Ten'in]]
* [[Chibaku Tensei]]
* [[Fierce Raining at Will]]
* [[Five Seals Barrier]]
* [[Flaming Arrow of Amazing Ability]]
* [[Illusionary Dragon Nine Consuming Seals]]
* [[King of Hell]]
* [[Magic Lantern Body Technique]]
* [[Mirrored Sudden Attacker]]
* [[Sealing Technique Absorption Seal]]
* [[Shapeshifting Technique]]
* [[Shinra Tensei]]
* [[#Six paths of Pain|Six paths of Pain]]<!--It has been stated already and everyone has come to an agreement that this is a jutsu Nagato is utilizing.-->
* [[Soul Removal]] (Unnamed)
* [[Summoning Technique]] (Multiple)
* [[Wind Release: Violent Wind Palm]]
}}
{{Infobox/Character/End}}

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 20:00, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

It would be best if people provided changes as differences rather than copying the entire thing. Makes it hard to tell what is actually wanted to be changed.

Protection is fixed now. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) ^(talk) Apr 7, 2009 _@ 21:10 ^(UTC)

could someone edit the infobox just for delete the info that he can use violent waterwave, he never used this techniqueErnie1992 (talk) 18:30, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Nagato in Naruto Movie 5?

I'm sorry I am new at this... But as far as I know and as far as I have watched Nagato does not appear nor is mentioned in Naruto Movie 5:Blood Prison Please Edit this... or Correct me if I am wrong. Thank you :) Smashingdounuts (talk) 07:39, September 11, 2013 (UTC)Smashingdounuts

Nagato mastered all

Nature releases. Yin-Yang and its parent releases included. other wise he couldn't make the black rods. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 15:39, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Who said the black rods are YYR?--Elveonora (talk) 15:55, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

And the passage Jiraiya said that was amended in a later edition, to five natures, so no YYR included. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

It did? When? Page please?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 20:54, July 14, 2014 (UTC)