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Really, this Wiki seriously needs spoiler alerts. There should be three levels of spoiler warnings: one for those whom are only caught up with the English dub, those who, like me, only watch the Jap subs, and then those who read the manga (if there even is anything to spoil for them.)

Several times already I've accidentally read something the anime hasn't covered and didn't have any time to notice. Please strongly consider adding spoiler alerts to pages, and to the specific header in which spoilers are located. --Odyy (talk) 05:48, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

It is made VERY clear on the homepage that this wiki consists of spoilers, it is your own fault, nothing to do with us. --Speysider ^{Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel} 07:11, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Uh, no. You can still do much better, by implementing my suggestions. At the very least give some type of notice that 'you are now reading ahead of the anime' type of things. It's honestly the fair thing to do. It can't be my fault if it's impossible to identify when the spoilers start. It's actually not a hard thing to do, someone just needs to add a single sentence somewhere, I'd do it myself but I can't identify every article that has both anime and manga content. Odyy (talk) 17:17, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

That would require lots of work...--Elveonora (talk) 19:20, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

ain't nobody got time for that. what are we, babysitters? everybody who visits a wikia should always be aware that he/she might see spoilers. It's common knowledge, seriously. 94.135.132.63 (talk) 21:21, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

I get that, but this is the only wiki to neglect to have the common decency to inform its visitors exactly where the spoilers are. It wouldn't have been so much work if you had just done that in the first place. Odyy (talk) 22:02, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

feel free to create the template for that, maybe a category too when you are at it. also, the wiki started I think 2006 or so, so blaming is kinda unfair since not many of us are here from the first minute on.94.135.132.63 (talk) 22:05, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

We do have a {{Spoiler}} template. Though it would be more efficient to just stick a javascript there to alert you.~ Ultimate Supreme 03:38, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Most wiki's don't put multiple spoiler tags on a single page to differentiate. Most have either a single main page warning, or a single warning in the section that covers the entire plot on each page. Most wiki's leave it to the user's common sence. Story sections are clearly labelled. On this wiki they are labelled as arcs. It really isn't difficult to avoid spoilers.--Soul reaper (talk) 03:43, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Actually it is Nine times out of ten a page will roll straight into a manga arc yet to be animated with no warning, other than pictures (and who knows if they're simply choosing to use a picture from the manga). Also, figuring out exactly what arc - or part of one - is currently only in the manga is difficult. Odyy (talk) 03:49, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

There is absolutely no need to put in any more warnings. There is one warning, you read at your own risk. We are not responsible for any spoilers that you read in this wiki. This wiki would not be readable if every single line of text was tagged with a template warning about spoilers. Every article here contains a spoiler: it's not our duty to keep you from reading spoilers as we have made it very clear that there are spoilers here. What you seem to forget is that mostly everything on here comes from manga content, because it's canon and trumps anything the anime does (unless the animators make a mistake or the anime put in a filler). Case closed. --Speysider ^{Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel} 10:24, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Feel free to make your own spoiler-less anime-only wiki ;D--Elveonora (talk) 10:27, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

@Speysider: I never said one for every single line, I merely suggested that there be fair notice when a page goes from where the anime is to where the manga is. Virtually every other Wiki will do something like this, this is the only one who considers a singular spoiler warning sufficient. Yes, I know it's my own risk, I never expected there to not be spoilers, but I'm telling you indicating the separation between anime to manga would improve the Wiki as it shows attention to detail and care about each user.

@Elveonora: I don't see why it's up to me, or why some of you are being so hostile. It's not like I'm calling people out, I merely made a suggestion. I even said earlier, I'd gladly do this, heck I'd do this myself alone, but I don't know exactly which of the 5,000+ articles here involve both manga and anime content and where the split is for each. I thought this was supposed to be a place for collaboration, not mockery and condensation. Odyy (talk) 18:02, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

welcome to bitter reality bro. mockery and condensation is to what this community changed to over the years.94.135.132.63 (talk) 18:19, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

The point here is that everything is a spoiler to someone, because not everyone is at the same point in the series. There will always be someone who feels something is spoiled for them when they read the wiki. There are also people who are at different points in the anime as well who may choose to read the wiki, and the spoiler tags you are proposing would not deal with that. In my opinion, assuming everyone who visits the wiki has read/watched the latest episode/chapter, is not showing care to all users. If you have further thoughts on why this thinking is wrong, please feel free to contribute them. — SimAnt 18:43, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

No mockery, but:

"encyclopedia" is self-defining, there are no spoiler warnings in books either. And you can easily see how far the anime has gone by checking out the latest canonical episode, simply ignore anything beyond that. For manga-only information in character articles and such, if there's not an anime equivalent of a scene, that means it's yet to be animated, at that point stop reading dude.--Elveonora (talk) 18:44, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

So what you're saying is that the second I see an image that isn't from the anime, I can reasonably consider that to be spoilers? Odyy (talk) 20:38, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

In 95% of cases, yes. We don't replace images with their anime versions only if they somehow messed up or even more rarely when the given instance was skipped in anime--Elveonora (talk) 20:42, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

I normally don't participate in these kind of discussions (and within good reasons, I might add), but there are some things that I do like to say in defense to this wiki. First, I do agree with Eleonora, Simant, Speysider, and Soul Reaper. I don't think it's necessary for us to add any spoiler warnings/tags onto the articles. There is warning on the front page that claims this wiki have spoilers. Although I do see your point on the matter, I have to say what you suggest is consider...for the lack of a better word, broad. You want "fair notice when a page goes from where the anime is to where the manga is". What, exactly, do you mean by that? Are you saying just the arcs sections? The history sections of the articles? The abilities or jutsus that are also involved? Personality? Many things are revealed whether it's in the anime and manga every single week. Depending on type fan you are, reading something you don't know about the character in their Personality section could be considered a spoiler. If by enabling the use of spoiler tags within the articles, not only do I think it'll make the articles themselves very unattractive, it also be quite ridiculous in my opinion. It's like what Simant-senpai said, "There will always be someone who feels something is spoiled for them when they read the wiki. There are also people who are at different points in the anime as well who may choose to read the wiki, and the spoiler tags you are proposing would not deal with that".

Second, while it is true that many wikias do tag their articles with spoiler alerts, I have also seen many that do not. Keep in mind, Odyy, that every wikia is different and are run by many individuals from across the globe. For example, there is this wiki, who behaves like a regular "encyclopedia". Other wikias, such as the One Piece Wiki or even the Avatar: The Last Airbender wiki acts like an "encyclopedia" as well but also like a "fan site", the former being more on the fanbase side. Now look at the Narutopedia, the OP Wiki, and the Avatar Wiki, what can you see about them? All three are popular and thriving, of course, with new information nearly every day. As opposed to the Narutopedia, the OP Wiki, for example, uses spoiler tags on their Arcs articles (even the old ones), however, if you skim around other articles, you also see that they do not post any spoiler tags in any of the characters' History pages, where new information about where the anime/manga are added, as well as many other pages. They also have a spoiler warning on the front page for fans to read. The Avatar Wiki doesn't have any spoilers on their front page or in the articles. My point being this, I do not appreciate you ruling on this wiki as "the only one who considers a singular spoiler warning sufficient" as opposed to every other wiki out there that also do the same thing or does not have any spoiler warning at all. Again, keep in mind that every wikia is different and they do not have an obligation to act the same as we or anyone else do.

Third, what I've read so far on the article, I can't say what everyone else is saying is really considered "hostile" or "mocking". Rather, I see it as bluntness. Straight to the point. That being said, don't take anything the anonymous user says personally, considering that anons are not really consider full-fledged editors on wikias. The wiki do allow suggestions to be heard, but please carry it out in a civil manner. Some of your previous comments could also be seen as "rude", or you could simply be misunderstanding everyone else's words to you because you feel frustrated. The latter statement being my own observation/theory, though, so I apologize if I'd offended you.--Ninja Sheik 20:55, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Well said Sheik :) --Speysider ^{Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel} 21:00, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Aww, thanks, Speysider. :)--Ninja Sheik 21:02, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

"You want 'fair notice when a page goes from where the anime is to where the manga is'. What, exactly, do you mean by that?" By this I mean some kind of tag that is placed in the EXACT moment in the article when it displays information no longer available in the anime, and instead is going into information you can only obtain through reading the manga.

My primary gripe is with the spoiling of plot and story, something I think most anyone would be annoyed at having spoiled. Yes I'm aware that everyone's different and we can't cater to everyone, but this I feel is such a common issue that I see no problem with tackling it. How about, instead keep a category of pages that involve no or very limited information taken from the manga, so that people like myself might search for pages with information that we won't have spoiled. This would not affect the appearance of the article at all and would probably not be very difficult. Odyy (talk) 21:54, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

First, Odyy, can you please not put your post in the middle a two comments that were here before yours? I find that very rude. Second, again: I get what you're saying, but did you not read the rest of my statements following the line you have it quotations? Above, you said wanted "some kind of tag that is placed in the EXACT moment in the article when it displays information no longer available in the anime, and instead is going into information you can only obtain through reading the manga". Again, what you are asking is very broad. Even a single piece of new information can be considered a spoiler, no matter WHERE IT IS in the article. Something that is revealed about a character's history in the latest chapter can inserted into a middle of the section. Let me give you an example, Kakazu's page. Under his Background (or History, whatever it's call), it was listed FIRST that he previously fought with the First Hokage, right? Then, much LATER on during the Fourth Great Ninja War Arc, it was revealed sometime in the past, Kakazu fought against the Gold and Silver Brothers. Followed that description, more of his past was added. If the wiki were to place "some kind of tag in the EXACT moment in the article when it displays information no longer available in the anime, and instead is going into information you can only obtain through reading the manga", then that would mean EVERY SINGLE line about a person's abilities, their Appearance, their Personality, EVERYTHING new about a character that is revealed in the latest manga chapter that has NOT been revealed in the anime would be smudged between a spoiler tag. Not only would like that look unattractive, it will also look weird.

What do you mean by "keep a category of pages that involve no or very limited information taken from the manga"? What are you asking for, exactly? Labeled those pages under a new category, which I'm not sure is even allowed? That would be impossible. Depending on what type of everyone is, that would be ALL OF ARTICLES on the wiki.--Ninja Sheik 22:14, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about the way I inserted my reply, I did that so it was clear to whom I was replying to. So are you guys and gals telling me that there is not even a single page on Narutopedia that has information only covered in the anime? By that I mean the information can completely be found there, even if it were previously mentioned in the manga. As for the categories, I mean creating a new category (or search filter or whatever) for pages that are completely explained in the anime. Odyy (talk) 22:52, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

"considering that anons are not really consider full-fledged editors on wikias." hohoho, that hurt. not that it's something new, but still...but I think it's just a nice example of what I said earlier...94.135.132.63 (talk) 23:05, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm... Yeah, pretty much, Odyy. Unless you count the fillers, but that's it. Look, I'm getting really tired going around in circles. Honestly, there is no possible way anything you are suggesting can possibly work on. That's my final, firm opinion on the matter. One of those reasons I mentioned before above, about normally not participating in discussions? Yeah, this is one of them. No matter how anyone spins it, I don't think it's possible. I'm tagging out, I got better things to do than going around in circles. Everybody (meaning my senpais and kōhais), have it and good luck.

@Anonymous User: I was merely expressing the most common opinion about anonymous users. It is true, I've been on many wikias before and it's just something that editors always expressed. Merely that and nothing more. It's an opinion, don't take it personally.--Ninja Sheik 23:09, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, sure.94.135.132.63 (talk) 23:13, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Lol what circles? We were making headway. It's funny how people seem to give up right when, or just before they've actually won a debate or something similar. I see no circles at all, I progressed through alternatives and had my questions answered. Simple. Oh well, I guess they'll never have the satisfaction of receiving a thank you, lol.

Cheers, Odyy (talk) 01:57, April 20, 2013 (UTC)