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Now that there are even more Rasengan variants out, I would like to bring up this topic again. The way we handle the naming of the Rasengan variants is rather inconsistent and leads to many possibly confusing names.

I'd like to suggest that all those Rasengan variants that actually don't have the name 'Rasengan' unmodified like that, should get their names translated like all the other techniques out there (besides the Chidori variants).

This means techniques like the Ōdama Rasengan are named as 'Big Ball Rasengan', but techniques like the Fūton: Rasen Shuriken and the Senjutsu: Rasenrengan are named as 'Wind Release: Spiralling Shuriken' and 'Sage Technique: Spiralling Group Spheres'.

I think this will lessen the confusion and make the naming of the Rasengan variants a bit more consistent and helpful. —ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs | translations)} 16:41, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

I'm fine with moving the others, but I think Rasen Shuriken should be kept as is.--Deva 27 16:45, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

I'd be fine with it tambien.--Cerez₃₆₅™ 16:49, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

I got the same opinion as Deva. —Fmakck ^{(Images | contribs)} 18:12, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

Keeping Rasen Shuriken as it is should be okay, but why do you think it should be? —ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs | translations)} 21:00, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

I just think it sounds better than "Spiralling Shuriken", though I wouldn't mind if it was changed. —Fmakck ^{(Images | contribs)} 21:07, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

I am of mind that "Rasen" works. The problem is it works better in some than in others. For example, Rasenrengan and Rasenrangan (ignoring how STUPID EASY it is to misspell both of them) work. Great Ball Rasen Tarengan would work as "Rasentarengan", but "Rasenchotarengan" starts to become word salad.

If this makes any sense.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 01:15, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Uhm, butting in for a second: Why don't you translate the Shuriken part? Also, I never understood why you translate each and every Jutsu, except for Chidori and Rasengan. Wouldn't it be the best to translate everything or nothing? Seelentau 愛^議 01:24, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

It's been an interesting trip with those two jutsu. One reason if i remember correctly is that these two are the only jutsu that have gone truly untranslated between English and Japanese. While everything else is given some sort of VIZ translation or whatever, Chidori and Rasengan do not. Adding that they are two major characters signature moves and you have something of a Legacy exemption among jutsu.

Now why we don't translate "Shuriken", I assume it's because shuriken is accepted as well...you know...a name.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 01:28, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought that would be the reason... well, I think it's kind of wrong, but anyways, it's not my issue in the end. Buuuut shuriken is a real word, while at least Rasengan is a fantasy, made up word. Chidori is real again, since it comes from this story about that guy who cut the Raijin. So if you want to be 100% correct, you' have to translate Rasengan and leave Chidori as it is. At least that's my opinion. Seelentau 愛^議 01:37, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Like I said, Chidori and Rasengan got the exempt for basically being Legacy jutsu (that's going to be my new name for this sort of thing >.>) and before all the jutsu that directly derived from them followed suit. The problem came when Kishimoto decided he was going to make Rasengans derived jutsu so flipping word salady we are left with the aforementioned "Rasenchotarengan".--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 01:45, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

I dislike translating shuriken because:手裏剣

1. It is a well-known and oft-used word in English;
2. It really doesn't have a good translation (hand underside sword? really?);
3. Kunai also isn't translated, nor is makibishi, nor other stereotypical shinobi tools.

The reason I'm personally not against keeping at least Rasengan and Chidori untranslated is because they simply almost unknown under their English names; they are the most important techniques in the series, allowing for a special status; and in the case of Chidori because of its historical roots.

Still, I think only the unaltered uses of the main techniques' names should be granted this exclusion. These two techniques are so well-known that practically everyone already knows what their names mean and that using the English translations would be less helpful than using the Japanese names.

When the names are altered, though, things become different. Rasengan means 'spiralling sphere', but what would the 'ren' in Rasenrengan mean? It quickly becomes confusing and less useful. —ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs | translations)} 14:39, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

what about the other rasengan's like sageart nonstop gargantuan rasengan barrage--KikiWolfeLion (talk) 17:06, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

That's just how Mangastream's translator chose to translate Sage Art: Super Great Ball Rasen Tarengan. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:08, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

So is there still anyone opposed to this idea? —ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs | translations)} 16:10, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think so? —Fmakck ^{(Images | contribs)} 15:29, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Move all non-Rasengan and non-Rasenshuriken. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:01, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

I think I moved them all. Now only the question of the Rasen Shuriken remains… —ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs | translations)} 12:30, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

*Reads Spiraling Serial Spheres* Sad TheUltimate3 is sad. T_T. I was hoping we could keep the workable Rasen variants. Anyway, what exactly is the problem with Rasenshuriken?--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 22:28, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

It's gratuitous Japanese? I'll agree that Rasen Shuriken is borderline, although I'd say Raikiri is in a similar position. —ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs | translations)} 23:45, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

(at work. very quick response) /shrug, Rasenshuriken is fine. It wasn't changed in Japanese to English, its straight forward and so such. If one of the varients should stay it's Rasenshuriken. Lighting Cutter if I had to say fits with the Rasengan varients that did change. It was different enough to change.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 20:06, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Someone tell me why Super have been changed to ultra and great have been changed to big throghout the entire wikia. Have we not always translated cho as super and odoma as great, like with the Super Multi-Size Technique??? On the main topic, I am in favor of somehow keeping the Rasen and Gan parts of the names like with Rasenrengan and so on. --Gojita (talk) 15:01, July 22, 2011 (UTC)Gojita

I changed 'super' to 'ultra' because it sounded better in that case, and I changed the 'great' to 'big' because:

1. Jiraiya and Naruto aren't the type of people to use fancy words like 'great' over simple words like 'big', and
2. it's clearly an indication of size here and not greatness, making translating it as 'great' simply incorrect.

That said, how would you keep the 'rasen' and 'gan' parts in the names without making it sound utterly horrendous? Rasen Absorption Gan? Ultra-Many Rasen Serial Gan? Or are you suggesting using the Japanese names again, despite the fact that they are meaningless to most readers and very easy to mix up? —ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs | translations)} 17:36, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think that the "Rasengan" names are getting ridiculous. What's with the "Sage Art: Many Ultra-Big Ball Spiraling Serial Spheres" and "Spiraling Strife Spheres"??? It doesn't even have "Rasengan" in it. I get that it's the english translation but in the manga and the english version of the show, they don't say "MANY ULTRA-BIG BALL SPIRALING SERIAL SPHERES!" And plus, if a new person joins they would probably search "Rasengan" instead of "Spiraling Sphere."