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I've built up a firmer understanding of romanji recently. And have seen some of the things we have around the wiki. And it's come to make me understand that some of the stuff we have may be unnecessary. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Dec 10, 2007 @ 04:57 (UTC)

Quotes

My first note is on Quotes. I have no clue who started the Quotes sections, I have a feeling it was some random anon user. I'm fine with having one, but some of them seem a little redundant. Perhaps we should create some guidelines on the use of Quotes sections. Trivia sections work better on here than Wikipedia, but like how they limit Trivia, perhaps we should limit Quotes.

By unnecessary quotes, I'm thinking of things like Character's calling signature Jutsu names, and the same phrase in different languages but repeated on different list items.

At one point, both Dattebayo! and Believe it! were listed in Naruto's quotes section. Which seams kind of redundant. It would have been better to use a line like * [[Dattebayo and Believe it!|"Believe it!" "Dattebayo!"]].

And another example is on both Naruto's and Kakashi's quotes sections. Naruto's "Shadow Clone Jutsu!" and "Rasengan!" are listed, and Kakashi's "Lighting Blade!" are to. I personally find these a little short to be considered a quote. "Leaf Village Secret finger Jutsu! A Thousand years of death!" is good for Kakashi, but the short lines that consist of just a Jutsu name are to short IMHO for a quote. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Dec 10, 2007 @ 04:57 (UTC)

Romanji and names

Ok, here's my second note. This goes back to our naming discussion where I tried to explain romanji and differences between Western and Eastern naming orders. I've recently begun to understand a bit more than I did then.

But to explain it, here's an example using the old Choji name set:

  • Choji Akimichi (English, Western Order)
  • Akimichi, Choji (English, Western Listing Order)
  • 秋道チョウジ (Japanese-Kanji, Eastern Order)
  • Akimichi Chōji (Japanese-Romanji, Eastern Order, Proper spelling with pronunciation guide)
  • Akimichi Choji (Japanese-Romanji, Eastern Order, Proper spelling)
  • Akimichi Chouji (Japanese-Romanji, Eastern Order, Pronunciation guide)

There was a big thing that didn't understand completely before. The name "Akimichi Chōji" is actually a combination of "Akimichi Choji" (Spelling) and "Akimichi Chouji" (Pronunciation). Both "Akimichi Chōji" and "Akimichi Choji" are correct in writing. The only difference is that the former uses a symbol to also combine it with "Akimichi Chouji" (Pronunciation).

This makes me think that even with names that are only in the Japanese version of the series so far, we should only use the pronunciation guide in the romanji section of the translation template and infobox. Outside of that, the spelling is what we need, pronunciation of that can be detailed on the actual article.

I'm also considering that it may be a good idea to put all Japanese in italics.

So here's my thoughts on how to do names:

  • When the character is named in both the Japanese and English versions:
    • Use the translation template in the format {{translation|'''English Name'''|Kanji|Romanji-EasternOrder-Spelling+Pronunciation}}.
    • Title the Article with the English Name.
    • Title the Infobox with the English Name.
    • Refer to the character by their English Name outside of the article.
  • When the character is named only in the Japanese version:
    • Use the translation template in the format {{translation|'''''Romanji-EasternOrder-SpellingOnly'''''|Kanji|Romanji-EasternOrder-Spelling+Pronunciation}} (Note the extra 2 single quotes used to italicize the bold text this time since it's Romanji, not English.
    • Title the Article with the Romanji without the pronunciation guide. (Some browsers don't render the guide, and it makes for bad urls)
    • Title the Infobox with the Romanji with the pronunciation guide.
    • Refer to the character by their Romanji, without the pronunciation guide, (with/without)? italics, outside of the article.

My last point brings a discussion to mind. It's a good idea to italicize Japanese text when writing to help point out to readers what is Japanese and what is English. But how far do we want to go with that? I'd like to know what everyone thinks about using the italics commonly with names. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Dec 10, 2007 @ 04:57 (UTC)

Could I take this opportunity to ask why macrons are put on vowels that are followed by a "u" as well as vowels that are extended? I always found this confusing. Danny Lilithborne 16:39, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Well I don't know something that specific. But all I know, is that the macron is used to signify the longer sound of the letter. The primary reason we have this kind of thing in romanization is because of the difference between the Japanese pronunciation of a letter, and how a letter is pronounced in English. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Dec 20, 2007 @ 07:16 (UTC)
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