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I've used this wiki for quite some time (but haven't really spoken out), but I was wondering whether we could have easy reference templates. It's quite tedious to write"<ref> ''Naruto'' chapter (chapter), page (page)</ref>", or databook or whatever, so maybe an easy reference template could do? I can create it, if you'd like. DinoTaur 19:27, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

We already do, it is this in the text editor. — SimAnt 22:16, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
I mean we could have something like:{{cref|name="name"|1|2}}, and it would become a reference showing Naruto chapter 1, page 2 DinoTaur 22:37, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
I like the idea of a reference template, especially if it links to the wiki's page for the respective media. But a template that puts things in ref tags doesn't solve what I perceive to be a problem of the same chapter/episode being referenced multiple times in the same article. For example: Obito's article has eight separate references to chapter 603. Even if you eliminate the two sets of duplicate references, that's still six refs for the same thing.
I like what the Wikipedia character article does with referencing, where the superscript gives the actual media number. I made an example of that a while back which can be seen here (it only works for chapters at the moment). ~SnapperTo 00:24, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
If duplicate references is your problem, then its really very easy to fix.
I think wikipedia also uses some js to check citation errors. I haven't looked deeper into it yet.
If I am not wrong, your templates make use of semantic queries (one per ref). I am pretty much sure that ~100 queries on a page will put enough strain on wikia's servers for them to come running (Even if not, its too much cost for something very insignificant) ~ UltimateSupreme 02:11, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
The query load was something I was going to ask about. If that's an issue, use chapter x redirects instead. Same visual and fuctional outcome.
It's not duplicate refs that I perceive as a problem, it's similar refs that I perceive as a problem. Obito refs:
  1. Naruto chapter 603 (x2)
  2. Naruto chapter 603, page 14 (x2)
  3. Naruto chapter 603, pages 1-4
  4. Naruto chapter 603, pages 16-19
  5. Naruto chapter 603, page 15
  6. Naruto chapter 603, page 1
And I just don't see the point of it. ~SnapperTo 02:51, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
So that they are accurate? ~ UltimateSupreme 05:46, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
Chapter 603 only has 17 pages.
If over half the chapter is going to be referred to at one point or another in the same article, what's the point in breaking it across six separate references? Naruto does not have the volume of text present in Death Note nor the intricacy of scenes present in One Piece; it is a rare occurrence that a solitary chapter number does not enable readers to verify information reasonably quickly.
Plus, in reference to how many pages 603 has, the page numbers are not as useful as they desire to be. If I have a hard copy of the chapter, I want the page number to comply to that hard copy. For 603 that's 120 or so if you've got a volume and some other number if you've got a SJ printing. If you're reading it online, you need to take into account the possibility that the reader's numbers are skewed with credit pages or fan art and also that two-page spreads are being treated as a single page for numbering purposes, so what the wiki says is page 10 is actually page 15 according to you. This assumes that the wiki itself is adhering to some internal logic of pagination which, in the case of the aforementioned ref, it does not. This in turn throws me into doubt about the other four references for that chapter, and I must wonder if they all are off by two pages as well. The only way for page number to be truly useful is if the ref links directly to the relevant page courtesy of some legal and freely available website.
Or just link to the chapter summary, which I think I was working around to. ~SnapperTo 06:22, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
Instead of inserting the references inline with the text, why not just put a line of references at the end of the paragraph referring to particular chapters and pages ? I know that Wikipedia does a lot of "endline" referencing and not so much "inline", so something to think about there. --Speysider Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 07:53, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
Linking to the chapter summary will do no good than just adding reference to the chapter (without the page no. maybe). Infact, the latter is better since it wouldn't require any template, unless offcourse you know of a legal site for reading (linking) chapters which we can link to (?) ~ UltimateSupreme 10:58, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
A template creates easy links to chapter/episode summaries (which should be done regardless of opinion on page numbers), guarantees uniformity and absence of errors in references (Obito has a couple "Narutochapter"s), and eliminates the possibility of invalid references (Obito has two, at the moment). ~SnapperTo 17:59, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

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