Ninja Of War wrote: It is indeed true that Tobirama has powerful chakra, but that might not work in his favor for this fight. Kisame's main ability is to absorb chakra, and he himself states his sword likes to consume powerful chakra. Kisame would most likely use this ability at the beginning stages of the fight when these two clash with close combat. From Kisame's fight with Killer B its shown that he can absorb a large quantity of chakra in mere moments. As stated above Tobirama has chakra reserves comparable to Shukaku, B has Gyuki and Kisame was able to take most of his chakra. According to the number of tails of the tailed beasts, Shukaku < Gyuki, by this logic Kisame could in fact take if not all then most of Tobirama's chakra if he somehow makes contact with him.
Yeah it was quite scary how Kisame so easily absorbed huge chunks of Gyuki's chakra. The Samehada is the trumpcard in Kisame's favour. Although I still think the victory would go to Tobirama. But that's more due to hype than feats, which is a weak mode of reasoning in Vs Battles
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QuakingStar wrote: Kisame himself made it clear Itachi is well above him, even when Sick. He is definitely not just shy of Itachi's level, he's below it as are many Shinobi. Kisame is also not weak though. If he knew about Gai's techniques then most likely Gai would not have won.
Even though Gai opens the Eighth Gate?
If Guy was to open the 8th Gate, then I do not think Kisame's chances of winning are very high. Guy becomes a savage beast when he enters the 8th gate (as witnessed in his fight with Madara, who he nearly killed, it was a close call for Madara), because no one has ever really seen the 8th gate opened and seen what a person can do when in that form, for as long as it lasts, Kisame would be overwhelmed if Guy was to fight him like that in that particular state.
I was expecting Tobirama to do some epic crazy water style move in the war arc but he ended up doing paper bomb duplications lol
That being said Kisame pretty much murks him in every possible way since prime Tobirama was outmatched by the gold and silver brothers who get their shit wrecked by kisame
when the gold and silver brothers got wrecked by kisame???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????=
I changed my oppinon, I don't know who will win, but I think Kisame has better chances.
I'm assuming Kisame still has Samehada during the fight, so I'd give to Kisame, since the fusion allows him to not only create the giant orb of water, but breathe in it, a feat that (as accomplished as Tobirama is in Suiton jutsu), he simply does not have, due to his entirely human physiology. The most Tobirama could do if that happened was manipulate the sphere itself to his advantage, and even then, Kisame has the advantage of pure speed, as proven in his fight with Killer Bee.
i am giving this to Tobirama.below i will give adequate reasons why tobirama would win abilities 1 Tobirama was one of the most powerful shinobi in history, earning praise from Madara on several occasions. He even defeated Izuna, Madara's brother and equal in skills and power.
2Danzō stated that Tobirama's prowess was unmatched during his time as Hokage.
3 He also survived a battle with the Gold and Silver Brothers, who possessed the Nine-Tails' chakra and wielded the Treasured Tools of the Sage of Six Paths.
4.In the anime, Tobirama could cast genjutsu to lock a target in perpetual darkness.
Physical and Chakra Prowess
5.Tobirama was hailed as the fastest shinobi during his lifetime. He was capable of moving fast enough to bo cover a target with explosive tags as well as marking them for his Space–Time Ninjutsu unnoticed(this is a physical ability not space time ninjutsu as it was stated that he was fast enough to cover the target with explosive tags and mark them for his space time ninjutsu without them ever noticing)
6 In the anime, Tobirama is shown moving equally quickly while underwater.His chakra reserves were large enough to teleport two Tailed Beast Mode users simultaneously, and strong enough to create a surge of wind and crack an entire wall when released(simply by raising his finger)
7 His chakra control was advanced enough to perform complex techniques with only one hand seal.
Ninjutsu 8As a Senju, Tobirama was skilled in different ninjutsu forms, including the Summoning Technique and barrier ninjutsu. 9 He was skilled with a sword, enough to clash with Izuna on multiple occasions; in the anime, he wielded and mastered the Sword of the Thunder God, a blade with electrical abilities. 10He also created various innovative techniques, such as the Shadow Clone Technique.
11.Since childhood, Tobirama was an adept sensor.By touching the ground with his finger, he could accurately detect the presence and location of targets in the surrounding area.He could even sense others countries away, identify a target's ancestry from their chakra signature,and even pinpoint a target's exact location while blinded. Nature Transformation 12.Tobirama was able to use all five basic nature transformations, along with Yin and Yang Release. He was most famous for his mastery of Water Release, revered as the most powerful user in history. He could create vast quantities of water without a water source, which contributed to his appointment as Hokage.
He could shoot from his mouth high-pressured streams to slice through targets or as needle-shaped projectiles. He also create defensive walls or large water dragons. In the anime, he could cover an entire battlefield in and shape it into tendrils to pull targets down with him to drown them
13. he had mastery over space time ninjutsu
14 he created the impure world ressurection technique it was stated that he would use this technique when ever he needed clear a map. which implies he had a group of Edo Tensei soldiers pre-prepared
In battle, Tobirama was calculating, striking only when he's confident of success and without any thought of mercy. According to Madara, Tobirama was known for launching surprise attacks on opponents who think they've won and have let their guard down. In order to capitalise on every possible advantage, he pays careful attention to every aspect of a battle, analysing opponents' strategies and techniques to discern their purpose, mechanics, and ultimately their weaknesses. He was similarly knowledgeable of skills he has no training in, being able to recognise a toad from Mount Myōboku and different types of advanced nature transformations.
and as for kisame being equally smart. thats wrong his databook entry states he is a 3.5 in intelligence there is no way tobirama would be a 3.5 in intelligence.
kisame's best option is samehada which i guarantee Tobirama would create a proper strategy to remove samehada from the equation. once samehada is gone kisame wouldn't have a chance.
once kisame can no longer absorb chakra. there is no way he would be able to compete with tobirama's superior knowledge in ninjutsu
Actionmanrandell wrote: i am giving this to Tobirama.below i will give adequate reasons why tobirama would win abilities 1 Tobirama was one of the most powerful shinobi in history, earning praise from Madara on several occasions. He even defeated Izuna, Madara's brother and equal in skills and power.
2Danzō stated that Tobirama's prowess was unmatched during his time as Hokage.
3 He also survived a battle with the Gold and Silver Brothers, who possessed the Nine-Tails' chakra and wielded the Treasured Tools of the Sage of Six Paths.
4.In the anime, Tobirama could cast genjutsu to lock a target in perpetual darkness.
Physical and Chakra Prowess
5.Tobirama was hailed as the fastest shinobi during his lifetime. He was capable of moving fast enough to bo cover a target with explosive tags as well as marking them for his Space–Time Ninjutsu unnoticed(this is a physical ability not space time ninjutsu as it was stated that he was fast enough to cover the target with explosive tags and mark them for his space time ninjutsu without them ever noticing)
6 In the anime, Tobirama is shown moving equally quickly while underwater.His chakra reserves were large enough to teleport two Tailed Beast Mode users simultaneously, and strong enough to create a surge of wind and crack an entire wall when released(simply by raising his finger)
7 His chakra control was advanced enough to perform complex techniques with only one hand seal.
Ninjutsu 8As a Senju, Tobirama was skilled in different ninjutsu forms, including the Summoning Technique and barrier ninjutsu. 9 He was skilled with a sword, enough to clash with Izuna on multiple occasions; in the anime, he wielded and mastered the Sword of the Thunder God, a blade with electrical abilities. 10He also created various innovative techniques, such as the Shadow Clone Technique.
11.Since childhood, Tobirama was an adept sensor.By touching the ground with his finger, he could accurately detect the presence and location of targets in the surrounding area.He could even sense others countries away, identify a target's ancestry from their chakra signature,and even pinpoint a target's exact location while blinded. Nature Transformation 12.Tobirama was able to use all five basic nature transformations, along with Yin and Yang Release. He was most famous for his mastery of Water Release, revered as the most powerful user in history. He could create vast quantities of water without a water source, which contributed to his appointment as Hokage.
He could shoot from his mouth high-pressured streams to slice through targets or as needle-shaped projectiles. He also create defensive walls or large water dragons. In the anime, he could cover an entire battlefield in and shape it into tendrils to pull targets down with him to drown them
13. he had mastery over space time ninjutsu
14 he created the impure world ressurection technique it was stated that he would use this technique when ever he needed clear a map. which implies he had a group of Edo Tensei soldiers pre-prepared
In battle, Tobirama was calculating, striking only when he's confident of success and without any thought of mercy. According to Madara, Tobirama was known for launching surprise attacks on opponents who think they've won and have let their guard down. In order to capitalise on every possible advantage, he pays careful attention to every aspect of a battle, analysing opponents' strategies and techniques to discern their purpose, mechanics, and ultimately their weaknesses. He was similarly knowledgeable of skills he has no training in, being able to recognise a toad from Mount Myōboku and different types of advanced nature transformations.
and as for kisame being equally smart. thats wrong his databook entry states he is a 3.5 in intelligence there is no way tobirama would be a 3.5 in intelligence.
kisame's best option is samehada which i guarantee Tobirama would create a proper strategy to remove samehada from the equation. once samehada is gone kisame wouldn't have a chance.
once kisame can no longer absorb chakra. there is no way he would be able to compete with tobirama's superior knowledge in ninjutsu
Kisame could do most everything Tobirama could do in regards to Suiton jutsu, just to a lesser degree. And it wouldn't be much of a fair fight if the two weren't at their very best, meaning Kisame would have Samehada and would be as strong as he was when he started the fight with Killer Bee.