Obito before he became the TTJ; i.e his MS and Madara's Rinnegan
Tobirama at his peak strength before he died (not edo tensei)
Obito before he became the TTJ; i.e his MS and Madara's Rinnegan
Tobirama at his peak strength before he died (not edo tensei)
Uchiahmasters wrote: I'd give it to Obito as Tobirama lost to Ginkaku and Kinkaku which pretty much puts him below characters like Itachi, EMS Sasuke, Nagato, DMS Kakashi, Hashirama, Obito and Madara.
Tobirama sacrificed himself in order to protect Hiruzen's group against Kinkaku Force, which was a special team of at least twenty very skilled shinobi. While it is unknown how many members of the team has he slain, I'm sure he put up a good fight.
Anyway: Tobirama has Flying Thunder God Technique, so if he is able to mark Obito, he can win. Tobirama is a gifted sensor, which puts him on par with Obito's Sharingan. Tobirama is very good at using Water Release, which puts him on par with Obito's Wood Release. Both Tobirama and Obito have all five basic Nature Transformations, however we haven't seen the two using other ones that those which they have affinities for. Water Release can counter Fire Release giving Tobirama an advantage. Only problem I see is Kamui :|
LegionZero wrote: Where is your proof that Gin/Kin is below Itachi/EMS Sasuke?
Ginkaku and Kinkaku lost to Darui. and before you say that they were weakened through edotensei, hear this, their entire battle strength comes from ninja tools which aren't weakened by edotensei, since they rely on ninja tools to such an extent edotensei weakening their physical strength and all that matters not as the ninja tools themselves are not weakened by any means. Edotensei Ginkaku and Kinkaku would have just as much battle strength as when they were alive because their entire move set relies solely on the use of ninja tools, in fact their probably even harder to defeat as edotensei because of the fact that they can now regenerate as well as have infinitely replenishing chakra. the only time Ginkaku and Kinkaku would suffer from being edotensei is while their activating nine tails chakra and have no access to their ninja tools.
If they are fighting with the power exactly as listed in the info, then I'll give my bet for Obito. He's just too efficient on using his Kamui, he kept using his Kamui endlessly for constant 10 years and still not showing any sign of eye problem (i.e Itachi's almost blind condition).
The only way Kakashi can (accidentally) come up with the idea of attacking Obito is due to Kakashi realizing both of them share the same Sharingan, and sharing the same Kamui dimension, which is literally the only way to hit him physically. And, even though Tobirama has Hiraishin, his way of usage is different from Minato, whom was able to physically hit Obito with Rasengan after Obito was caught off-guard by Minato's Hirashin.
obito with kamui will win, tobi has neither the ability to harm him consecutively for 5 minutes or have the different amount of FTG-versions :I
@Uchihamasters Let's put this in perspective. Tobirama killed Izuna when they were both alive, and Izuna was said to be on par with Madara when they only had MS.
Then Tobirama was beaten by Kinkaku and Ginkaku when they were alive.
Are you telling me that you believe that Kinkaku and Ginkaku being revived by Edo Tensei wasn't weakened? Because if that's what you're saying then you're saying Darui could theoretically kill Izuna, and even Madara, when they had MS.
AsianReaper wrote: @Uchihamasters Let's put this in perspective. Tobirama killed Izuna when they were both alive, and Izuna was said to be on par with Madara when they only had MS.
Then Tobirama was beaten by Kinkaku and Ginkaku when they were alive.
Are you telling me that you believe that Kinkaku and Ginkaku being revived by Edo Tensei wasn't weakened? Because if that's what you're saying then you're saying Darui could theoretically kill Izuna, and even Madara, when they had MS.
physically they were weakened just they relied on ninja tools which weren't weakened. and yes I know Tobirama beat Izuna, but it doesn't change the fact that he couldn't defeat Kinkaku and Ginkaku who aren't as powerful as EMS Sasuke or prime Itachi, and no I don't think Darui is as powerful as Tobirama or Izuna, so yeah I do call BS on the fact that Darui was able to win, but it doesn't change the fact that Ginkaku and Kinkaku defeated both the second Raikage and Tobirama. if Tobirama was on par with EMS Madara or hell even EMS Sasuke he would've easily beat Kinkaku and Ginkaku.
AsianReaper wrote: @Uchihamasters Let's put this in perspective. Tobirama killed Izuna when they were both alive, and Izuna was said to be on par with Madara when they only had MS.
didnt they fight before they got MS? madara recieved his after izuna died right?
Why does everyone believe Kinkaku/Ginkaku killed Tobi if there's completely no evidence of that? Yeah, KinGin wanted to stard coup d'état and nearly killed him and Second Raikage, but clash with Kinkaku Force was surely an another accidend, which occured later. Besides, there's also nowhere said Kin/Gin really were a part of this team, however, so many people judge by it's name only and don't think it can be just coincidence that there's "Kinkaku" word in it.
I should also note that too many people say reanimated shinobi are so weak compared to themselves alive. In case of Tobirama's Edo Tensei it could be so, but several times in manga it was cleared that Orochimaru and Kabuto have perfected this technique and their reanimations have almost the same power as alive. Even Tobi himself claimed Orochimaru reanimated him with roughly the same power he had alive, when trying to break through the Edo Tensei control.
@GreatestSin, Madara and Izuna both had MS. Then Izuna was mortally wounded by Tobirama, so he gave his MS to Madara to give Madara EMS
Anyways, topic off track. I think that Tobirama wins. Just seems overall more skilled