@kakashi you proved what exactly? you are comparing sasuke sword to toneris ? cutting down a snake head , and cutting down the half of the moon is there any difference ?
a ye there is one,the sword that is able to cut the moon should be able to cut down snake head as well. That still dosent prove that TB can pierce susano. itachi has never shown a feat of cutting trough something strong as Susano.You can see how much it took for danzo to make a creak on Susano , and not to mention that PS is a little more durable in terms of defense (take example of skeletal susano and armored one).
BakumatsuWarrior wrote: @ShadyShadow: Thanks bro ^_^
Dude u relaize i am talking about pshyical strenght right?
Kakashisologod1 wrote:
BakumatsuWarrior wrote: @ShadyShadow: Thanks bro ^_^
Dude u relaize i am talking about pshyical strenght right?
And physical strength is the only thing Obito required to reach EMS Madara's level? Powerful jutsus, dojutsus, sealing techniques, and other abilities are irrelevant? That's the main issue here. This thread is about pre-War Obito. And we're arguing that pre-War Obito was nowhere near EMS Madara's level. And we all know EMS Madara is much, much, much more than mere physical strength. And while Rinnegan Obito's intangibility abilities are relevant for this thread since that's his MS ability, his other feats against KCM Naruto, Kakashi, Gai and Bee should be treated with care since many of those feats were because of the Rinnegan. And Obito gained the Rinnegan during the War (not before), a fact which many here are deliberately ignoring. And only Rinnegan Obito has shown the necessary feats that can place him on par with EMS Madara.
The databook may or may not have implied that pre-War Obito was at EMS Madara's level (since I haven't read the translation), but everything we know from the manga shows that pre-War Obito was nowhere near Madara's level. Both the manga and the databooks are ridden with plot holes and inconsistencies, which is why it is important to consider both the sources to decide whether a claim is well-supported or not. And here, the manga contradicts this particular databook claim in so many places that the only reasonable thing to do is to conclude that Kishi was smoking some high-quality meth if he indeed claimed in the databook that pre-War Obito was at EMS Madara's level. That basically shits on everything that was shown about Obito.
Sigh,dude i was you said we cant use war obito feats(when he was pshicaly strong as KCM naruto)and i said that there isnt any difference between pre war obito and war obito in pshical strenght.
If the war feats concern Kamui, then yes we can use them. Otherwise, anything associated with Rinnegan boost is irrelevant to this particular thread. And yeah, MS Obito's physical strength has always been impressive. I remember him easily stopping Zabuza's blade when Suigetsu tried slashing that into someone (was it Sasuke or Kisame?) after Itachi died. So yeah, physically, pre-War Obito is indeed strong. But in overall powers and abilities, pre-War Obito is far below EMS Madara.
Lorenzo VonMT wrote: Kishi didn't write the data books.
You're mistaken, he did.
Really, I thought he only gave his seal of approval.
Hm, I thought that if you look on the articles on various databooks here on the wikia and read that they're authored by Kishimoto, then you should come to the logical conclusion he wrote them.
Ravenlot 27 wrote: Hm, I thought that if you look on the articles on various databooks here on the wikia and read that they're authored by Kishimoto, then you should come to the logical conclusion he wrote them.
Judging by their nature and quality (read: contradictions), they're likely just author's notes and scribbles assembled into a document. Possibly by an intern.