Edo-Madara Uchiha did it. In a hypothetical deathmatch, could a shinobi the Uchiha admitted was his superior do the same?
Prime Hashirama Senju (non-Edo Tensei) Vs. Onoki - Mei - Gaara - A- Tsunade.
Who wins?
Edo-Madara Uchiha did it. In a hypothetical deathmatch, could a shinobi the Uchiha admitted was his superior do the same?
Prime Hashirama Senju (non-Edo Tensei) Vs. Onoki - Mei - Gaara - A- Tsunade.
Who wins?
BakumatsuWarrior wrote: @Raichin: So you prefer using similes. Good for you. The rest of us are just fine with the omission of the word "like", because, you know, we are capable of understanding this thing called CONTEXT. But whatever floats your boat, bro.
How cute. Hmmm my English grades in college would beg to differ with you believing I don't understand context. To be very honest, some people honestky believe Hashirama is a god and isn't just using it as a figure of speech, just saying. But back on topic, I think the victory can go to either.
Rachin123 wrote: How cute. Hmmm my English grades in college would beg to differ with you believing I don't understand context. To be very honest, some people honestky believe Hashirama is a god and isn't just using it as a figure of speech, just saying. But back on topic, I think the victory can go to either.
Who cares what your college degree says about your ability to recognise context, when you're not applying that ability in this thread anyway. NOBODY here believes that Hashi is a literal god. Where did you get that from? Can you point to any comment in this thread, or any other thread for that matter, where forum members claimed that shit? If not, you're just pointing out a non-issue. Everybody here perfectly understands that Hashi being a demigod is a figure of speech. You're not even being a pedant by "pointing things out". You're just putting words into other people's mouths by claiming that they believe that Hashi is a "literal" god. NOBODY has claimed that. I don't even know why you created this argument in the fist place.
@Bakumatsu
Aw, are you mad? Oops, sorry about it. There have been people in other threads who have claimed such accusations. Excuse me if I can't clarify something. I'm not going to go through those old threads and provide the information just to prove myself to you. People on here know me, and have seen people say these things. So you must not be around when it's said or something. I also didn't create an arguement, you did by responding. I merely stated facts. I know the truth hurts but you can either deal with it or leave. Simple as that. Moving on now.
Rachin123 wrote: @Bakumatsu
Aw, are you mad? Oops, sorry about it. There have been people in other threads who have claimed such accusations. Excuse me if I can't clarify something. I'm not going to go through those old threads and provide the information just to prove myself to you. People on here know me, and have seen people say these things. So you must not be around when it's said or something. I also didn't create an arguement, you did by responding. I merely stated facts. I know the truth hurts but you can either deal with it or leave. Simple as that. Moving on now.
Ok if people seriously claimed that in other threads, then you're right: they're idiots. And I'm sorry if you've had to deal with those idiots before. But it's clear nobody's doing that in this thread. So let's bury this pointless digression.
Now back on topic, I don't think the Kage's teamwork is enough to beat Hashi. As far as I remember, Onoki and Ay formed an effective team. Gaara contributed a lot through his sand manoeuvres. Tsunade healed the Kage at various points. Mei seemed, to my memory at least, that she wasn't that much of a team player. She teamed up with Ay with her water release and his lightning release to amplify their jutsus against Madara. And that is all I remember of her teamwork.
But I don't think the teamwork the Kage displayed has enough offensive power to take down Hashi. I'll go reread the chapters to analyse their teamwork further.
If someone stands far about others, then at some point there's no real distinction anymore between "as-if a god" and "god".
Kaguya is a god, there's nothing to suggest even high levels of power are available and compared to her, a normal shinobi is just a muggle. Therefore, "so powerful she can be considered a god" can just as well mean "she's a god".
Some people mix that up with tiers of power, calling anything beyond Biju-level a "god". Hashirama is technically a "god" (since he IS called a "god of shinobi") but that would refer to his title, not his actual power level. As you can see, "god" means different things to different people, and can even mean different things in the same sentence.
As to the topic at hand, it's true that Hashirama is powerful, but that doesn't mean he can't be defeated, or that a group of individually less powerful people can't defeat him. Considering that Edo Madara can't be 1-on-1 substituted for Hashirama, and that they did manage to hold their ground against him, shows that they do possess sufficient strength to be worthy of consideration. That is, the idea of the fight is acceptable.
As to stuff like the Meteor sizes, the debris on the ground doesn't match up even remotely to the meteor dropped. To begin with, they were clearly shown to be spherical in every other shot but what's on the ground can barely be formed into one sphere, let alone two. It's safe to say the first one was reduced to gravel and the second one heavily damaged.
@BakumatsuWarrior Thank you for clarifying. I just don't think he understands and is taking it way too literal or trying to make it universal.
@Thekillman I do agree that a group of less powerful people could beat Hashirama but their combined efforts together must surpass him, sadly that isn't the case for the five Kage. You're sadly mistaken in reference to the 5 Kage actually holding their ground against Madara. They didn't, not even close.
Madara was clearly toying around with them until the end, then even after that Madara still stomped without PS. We don't know what he did but prior to it he stated he wasn't gonna pull PS out again and that it'd be disgraceful, next panel the five kage are all a bloody mess and Tsunade was torn in half by Madara, Madara appears again and was shown not even breaking a sweat. He didn't even acknowledge it until Naruto asked what happened. So in correction, the five Kage can hold their own against a Madara not being serious, or toying around sure. But against Madara actually trying and giving effort, they get ass raped. Hell, Madara didn't even have his Gunbai weapon.
In terms of the meteorite thing it's debatable if Madara's PS is bigger than it or not but Hashirama's buddha is doubled that in size, so the simple fact that the meteorite and Madara's PS is comparable means Hashirama's buddha HAS to be bigger.
In Edo Madara's fight against Hashirama he instantly pulled out PS, if Edo Madara did that to the Kages at the start the fight wouldn't have lasted more than a chapter. Hashirama is stomping the kage, he has better reaction time, stronger chakra, higher durability, more experience, 1,000 hand buddha, Wood golem, wood dragon, forest pollution (Might I add the Kage fell to this against Madara.) and so much more going for him. His raw chakra completely dwarfs theirs, nothing suggests the 5 Kage actually have a fighting chance against a serious Hashirama.
@Shadow
As I already told @Bakumatsu that some people actual believe them to be gods, literally. I know this isn't the case with everyone. Some just use it to represent how powerful they are in the respective series. I personally wouldn't go around calling them gods or demi gods, even if it's meant figuratively, but that's just me.
So Madara is only serious when using his strongest move from the very beginning? By your logic, Guy wasn't serious when battling Kisame until he went Gates. He was just "toying" with Kisame.
@XShadyShadow: I agree with everything you said, except for the relative size of the PS and the meteors Madara pulled with his Tengai Shinsei. The meteor is definitely bigger as its area enveloped the entire shinobi squadron Gaara and Onoki were leading.
But that is irrelevant to this fight because Hashi has little use of his Thousand-Armed Buddha against the 5 Kage. That jutsu is meant to deal with something as big and powerful as Kyuubi, Perfect Susanoo and Majestic Attire: Susanoo. The Kages don't have any jutsu of that scale and don't have any giant summons comparable in size to Kurama. So using the thousand-armed Buddha would just be a waste of chakra. Hashi can simply defeat the Kage with his other Wood Jutsus that are smaller in size but more precise in weeding out the Kages.
Also, yeah you're right in pointing out that Madara didn't use his PS to slaughter the Kage. He claimed that his PS was reputed throughout the ninja world as a jutsu that a shinobi (other than Hashirama) could see only once, because they wouldn't survive the encounter to see it again. And since Edo Madara was temporarily destabilized due to Itachi undoing the Edo Tensei, he thought that it would be a disgrace to unleash the PS again, which would mean that the Kages would be given the opportunity to witness the might of the PS for a second time. So Madara simply butchered the Kage with something else; something less powerful. He could have easily done that in the beginning, but instead he was just toying around.
GreatestSin wrote:
AsianReaper wrote: @GreatestSin, the only reason Dust Release didn't work on Madara is because Madara had the Preta Path. Otherwise, Onoki would have dusted Madara in the Five Kage Fight
i know, i already mentioned that a few posts ago, i also think onoki would one-hit-ko him :)
i cant believe what I just read.
The 5 Kage had no chance going around Madara's PS. Hashirama has the wood Golem who could rival the PS in strength and (almost) in size. Than Hashirama has True Several Thousand Hands, who way outshines both of these techniques in power. On the side there is wood dragon, deep forest, wood clones ETC. Then Hashirama has SM. With his SM Madara was able to dodge the hiraijin coming from his behind. So it's safe to assume that Hashirama also has crazy sensing, reflexes and perception in SM. Which makes him very hard to hit. On top of everything we know that he has crazy regeneration and life force almost unmatched in the Naruto world.
The 5 Kage don't have the fire power to seriously hurt Hashirama, i don't think. That except Oononki's dust release, but as i mentioned, Hashirama's SM will make him very hard to be hit.
And as i said,there is also the fact that the 5 Kage couldn't do jack against Madara's PS. And not only Hashirama has a technique (the wood Golem) that can match the PS, he also has a way more powerful technique in True Several Thousand Hands . And he also has Sage Art: Gate of the Great God that was able to restrain EDO Madara and the JIUBI. So there is that.
I'd say Hashirama takes this...