"1. That was never stated anywhere so thats just your speculation." Did you seriously just post this? LOL. Actually it was stated that he was faster than A and thus is only slower than the people mentioned in this comment "1. Kabuto is slower than Minato regardless. Minato, even without Hiraishin, 'is considered the fastest shinobi in history, only surprassed by Eight Gated Guy, BM/BSM Naruto, RSM Naruto, Rinnegan Sasuke, and Juubi Jins Madara and Obito." Just add Kaguya, Toneri, Juubi, and the Ootsutsuki brothers and it will be 100% correct
That again is being taken out of context and read wrong and was never stated anywhere, he was said to be faster than A with Hiraishin, if he was faster without it then why did he HAVE to resort to Hiraishin to dodge his attacks? Because he is not the fastest without Hiraishin period. Point blank.
ItachiWasAHero wrote: That again is being taken out of context and read wrong, he was labeled faster than A with Hiraishin, if he was faster otherwise then why did he HAVE to resort to Hiraishin to dodge his attacks? Because he is not the fastest without Hiraishin period. Point blank.
You do realize that its his reflexes that have to be that fast, right? He could have used Shunshin or Hiraishin to dodge, and the result would be the same thing. The only two people to ever tag Minato were Juubi Jin Obito and Juubi Jin Madara. People with speed and reflexes that made Itachi's look like nothing.
ItachiWasAHero wrote:
1. That was never stated anywhere so thats just your speculation.It was stated. The moment A admitted Minato was faster than him, that was all the proof we needed.
...what the? From feats Itachi's speed doesn't even approach Minato's, with or without the Hirashin. Itachi doesn't have the feats for it, not even the hype. If Post-Timeskip Kakashi could keep up with Itachi, it means Itachi isn't in Minato's league of speed. And I'm not bashing Itachi's character, I'm just stating a fact.
No, that just means he was able to maintain his Susanoo better.
Madara could create a limited version of Mugen Tsukuyomi, doing everything Itachi's Tsukuyomi could, with a base Sharingan. Yeah, he is a better genjutsu user, it doesn't need to be stated. Obito is a better genjutsu user than Itachi since he has a feat of controlling a Perfect Jinchuriki for decades and said genjutsu being compared to Kotoamatsukami by Ao, the guy who broke it. Itachi has nothing that comes close.
And A attacked Minato, he uses Hiraishin to dodge A's fastest speed. A tried again and Minato now even more ready for it dodges with contemptuous ease. And A said Minato was faster than him regardless, he didn't make any distinction of Hiraishin or no, meaning that even Minato's Shunshin he couldn't surpass. Hell even Tobirama said that Minato's Shunshin and Hiraishin were faster than him, and he was the fastest shinobi of his time.
Wait, so even though the Databooks say that Minato is the fastest in history...you don't want to attribute said to that just because its Hiraishin? Seriously, that makes no sense...
Wait are you Star Wanderer on Narutoforums? He makes this exact argument in trying to make Minato the slowest and weakest Kage.
Susano'o isn't physically connected to the user. We've seen it be separated in the manga, check when Nagato got sealed, Itachi was a bit away from his Susano'o and not inside it. Minato can tag it, teleport it off of Itachi and while he's weakened from the strain, Minato can speedblitz him.
<dive class = "quote">7. That is BS completely, I reread that chapter just like I did everything else and he wasn't even looking at Ei at that point, he was focused on Cee trying to immobilize him.Doesn't seem like you reread at all. Sasuke was glaring at A and making a seal, A notices and chastises him, and Sasuke changes targets when he realizes his genjutsu won't work.
What research? And ALL of Minato's kunai have tags, so he doesn't know exactly where or when Minato will appear, and he doesn't have the reflexes or speed to capitalize it.
You are acting like Itachi is a god. You act like 'oh he knows so and so so he wins' instead of, like the manga showed, it being virtually impossible to predict where Minato will teleport to.
Actually, Itachi repeatedly stated that if Sasuke got the Mangekyo Sharingan before facing him, he'd lose. That's why he kept pushing Sasuke to get the Mangekyo Sharingan so he'd have the power to defeat him.
'Mentally gifted', stop acting like Itachi is a god and he can predict this sort of thing. We don't know how long Tobirama vs Izuna raged, yet you act like that was the only exchange. And also ignores that Izuna and Madara were equals up until Madara got the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan.
Minato does win. Anyone objective will tell you that. Go to any other site, and Minato will be the victor in a versus match. You're just claiming Itachi wins since he is Itachi, that's not an argument. You downplay, degrade, and ignore Minato's feats and abilities all the while saying Itachi can effortlessly predict where Minato can teleport. In essence, you have a lot of Cognitive Dissonance when it comes to Itachi.
That's because we were never shown Minato fighting anyone else besides fodder rock ninja, and IF he could have used Shunshin to dodge Ei he would have but he didn't it showed clearly he threw his tagged kunai out there just to use Hiraishin, he then compliments Ei's raw speed and uses Hiraishin to dodge him at the last nanosecond being able to barely react fast enough to teleport. You are highly overrating Minato. He was never shown fighting anyone even considered strong besides the ones you listed, Ei, and B, and mind you Obito was able to touch him and almost warped him away into Kamui Dimension if he had stayed a nanosecond longer in the warp tunnel, he "tagged him"... he isn't the fastest and his best feats were only with Hiraishin, fella. Also, before any of you try it.. the only reason Minato left was because the Konoha Retreat War Horn was sounded, he definitely intended on killing/dealing with Ei(too fast physically for Minato) and B(had his sword against his stomach faster than he could react), he just couldn't in that time slot before the horn was used. @SwordSlayer99 yes with Hiraishin he is faster.. when will you all realize they include the Hiraishin in Minato's speed feats? they do the same with Tobirama.
ItachiWasAHero wrote: That's because we were never shown Minato fighting anyone else besides fodder rock ninja, and IF he could have used Shunshin to dodge Ei he would have but he didn't it showed clearly he threw his tagged kunai out there just to use Hiraishin, he then compliments Ei's raw speed and uses Hiraishin to dodge him at the last nanosecond being able to barely react fast enough to teleport. You are highly overrating Minato. He was never shown fighting anyone even considered strong besides the ones you listed, Ei, and B, and mind you Obito was able to touch him and almost warped him away into Kamui Dimension if he had stayed a nanosecond longer in the warp tunnel, he "tagged him"... he isn't the fastest and his best feats were only with Hiraishin, fella. Also, before any of you try it.. the only reason Minato left was because the Konoha Retreat War Horn was sounded, he definitely intended on killing/dealing with Ei(too fast physically for Minato) and B(had his sword against his stomach faster than he could react), he just couldn't in that time slot before the horn was used. @SwordSlayer99 yes with Hiraishin he is faster.. when will you all realize they include the Hiraishin in Minato's speed feats? they do the same with Tobirama.
Has it ever occurred to you that Hiraishin is Minato's speed? 'he never went up against anyone but rock fodders' isn't an argument since he went up against A, B, and Obito and beat all three in the contest of speed. In the end, it doesn't matter if it was shunshin or hiraishin, Minato was faster. Manga flat out says and shows it. Stop making this argument since it makes you look bad and not objective.
Dude A said Minato was faster than him. He didn't say anything about that Minato was only faster with his Hiraishin. The Anime and Manga both state that Minato is faster than A. Canon info > Your opinion.
SwordSlayer99 wrote: Dude A said Minato was faster than him. He didn't say anything about that Minato was only faster with his Hiraishin. The Anime and Manga both state that Minato is faster than A. Canon info < Your opinion.
Exactly. And Itachiwasahero is ignoring the only person who tagged Minato were Juubi Jins, yet acts like Itachi can do the same.