@NoJutsu. Yin & Yang aren't elemental natures to begin with, so they can't combine with Fire, Wind, Lighting, Earth, and Water to form a new nature. You can combine them to form a more powerful variant of a technique like the raikiri I suppose, but that's about the most you can do as far as manga facts go. I think that's all Seel is trying to say. Why is Kakashi's silence even relevant? Wasn't he trying to teach Naruto something important?
Minamoto15 wrote: @NoJutsu. Yin & Yang aren't elemental natures to begin with, so they can't combine with Fire, Wind, Lighting, Earth, and Water to form a new nature. You can combine them to form a more powerful variant of a technique like the raikiri I suppose, but that's about the most you can do as far as manga facts go. I think that's all Seel is trying to say. Why is Kakashi's silence even relevant? Wasn't he trying to teach Naruto something important?
Just read from the beginning, else you'll just confuse yourself, or just don't read at all. I'm aware of everything you just stated, and I believe it, but if I ask you to prove the bolded portion of your post with evidence from the manga, it will be impossible. Or you can try. Seel already tried and couldn't find anything, and he eventually had to settle for Kakashi's silence on the matter to be the main evidence that proves it.
Seelentau wrote: No and no.
Now, you're just contradicting yourself, and I wonder why. BTW, you already answered these questions that I'm asking, and I already told you that a few posts ago. I'm just repeating these questions so that you can retype the answers all in one post again for me. But I guess I'll just do it for you, verbatim.
I asked:
You're saying that if the manga was silent about something, then it never existed in the manga, right?
You already answered:
Silence is evidence of absence... there's nothing going on behind the scenes, the manga is only what we're presented...
And since the manga is over, there will probably never be any more revelations about most things.
I asked:
So essentially, Kakashi's silence is the the primary evidence that proves it is impossible to combine Yin or Yang nature with any of the five basic natures, right?
You already answered:
Yin Release and Yang Release are by no means elemental chakra natures, and Kakashi only talked about those. The very fact that they postponed the explanation of Yin and Yang is evidence enough...
It isn't possible to create a new advanced elemental nature by combining an elemental nature release and either Yin chakra or Yang chakra.
Back to what I said at the very beginning of our chitchat, the only way to conclude that Yin or Yang Natures cannot be combined with any of the five basic natures to produce an advanced nature is by assuming that Kakashi's silence on the matter is an evidence that proves the conclusion, which defies a core principle of classical logic. We have ourselves a logical assumption. Hey Seel, don't take this chitchat too seriously man and just enjoy the flow. BTW, I think you'll agree that there is not much left to discuss here.
I can repeat my argumentation step by step and you can tell me where I'm wrong, okay?
So where am I wrong?
this thread is all about gaara(all related on him) so let's focus only in disscussion on him.
Seelentau wrote: I can repeat my argumentation step by step and you can tell me where I'm wrong, okay?
So where am I wrong?
You're wrong with the bolded. It's not in the manga. All Kakashi talked about was simply the five basic natures. He simply stated that the combination of any two of the five basic natures belongs to the domain of kekkei genkai. Simple and short, no more, no less, nothing about whether Yin or Yang can be, or cannot be, combined with any of the other five.
And you're aware that he didn't mention them because it would've confused Naruto? Yamato even said to postpone those two natures' explanation. Also, an advanced chakra nature is always made up by two basic elemental chakra natures, if used through a Kekkei Genkai. Or can you name one that isn't?
Seelentau wrote: And you're aware that he didn't mention them because it would've confused Naruto? Yamato even said to postpone those two natures' explanation. Also, an advanced chakra nature is always made up by two basic elemental chakra natures, if used through a Kekkei Genkai. Or can you name one that isn't?
I'm aware of all this. And indeed, all confirmed (as in really confirmed) advanced natures that are kekkei genkai are all made up of two basic elemental chakra natures. And that (among other reasons) is why I stand with you in the opinion that advanced natures can only be made from two basic elemental natures. I truly believe it. But despite that, the fact remains that there is no direct proof for it in the manga (or at least in chapter 315-316), as this winding discussion has thoroughly demonstrated. It's just a highly logical conjecture that can be argued to be true on the basis of the manga's overwhelming silence on the issue.
Back on topic please, else this thread will have to be closed.
Elveonora wrote: Back on topic please, else this thread will have to be closed.
This winding argument is actually related to Magnet Release and all advanced releases, but you'll have to backtrack to the post where it all started to see how. Anyways, the argument has ended... on a good note.