Starscream1998 wrote: Please explain to me what exactly you think Kabuto could do to Madara, I'm simply dying to hear it. Also, comparing characters is a completely legitimate way to scale their powers so I'm not seeing your problem here besides the fact there isn't one.
Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Also like I said Kabuto knew the risks if Madara could break out of it he would have known. Also Kabuto can strengthen his bindings even further with use of Hashirama's cells.
We have virtually no idea what Kabuto's endgame was at all. He tried to get the jinchuriki (for some reason), that's the closest we ever got to a plan. Half the stuff he did seemed for shits n giggles. If his plan was to have Madara as a diversion for Obito and the Alliance to deal with, then he massively succeed there.
We do know why he summoned Madara, which was to confirm his hypothesis about Madara. He didn't say that he summoned him for firepower, or certain abilities.
Namikazenaruto9 wrote:
Wouldn't better question be what madara can do? Honestly I doubt he can even harm kabutoare you... are you serious?
Thekillman wrote:
We have virtually no idea what Kabuto's endgame was at all. He tried to get the jinchuriki (for some reason), that's the closest we ever got to a plan. Half the stuff he did seemed for shits n giggles. If his plan was to have Madara as a diversion for Obito and the Alliance to deal with, then he massively succeed there.Thekillman wrote:
We do know why he summoned Madara, which was to confirm his hypothesis about Madara. He didn't say that he summoned him for firepower, or certain abilities.Thekillman wrote: are you... are you serious?
Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Just because you don't have the idea doesn't means none of us know his end game.
He never states an actual goal. We see some glimpses of his plan (like stealing biju), but the actual proper endgame? No. Seems doubtful that he'd let Obito go so far with his plan just to gather more power for himself, since he would have an extremely hard time fighting TTJ Rinnegan Obito by himself. Sure stealing Biju would've delayed that plan, but Obito still could create the Juubi. Sasuke seemed to have been a part of his plan (to confirm further his rinnegan theories?), but there's no way he could control Sasuke. And then what, the world is destroyed, what does that do for him? We know why Obito wanted to cast IT (the world was hell and he wanted a better world), we know why Madara wanted to cast IT (because the cycle of violence was innate to the world, so only IT could stop it). We know why many characters went so far. But we don't know what Kabuto intended to do beyond this. For instance, was he planning on becoming a Jinchuriki himself?
Namikazenaruto9 wrote:
Genjutsu ain't gonna work. Taijutsu too isn't gonna work. Top that with his incredible summons like Edo Tesei, Manda II. Do you still think I am exaggerating?Madara summons a few meteors to destroy any place Kabuto can hide. He can easily drain his chakra, or just destroy the mountain he hides under with Perfect Susanoo. The scale on which Kabuto and Madara fight are not compatible, not by a mile. Manda 2 is less than cannon fodder.
Thekillman wrote:
He never states an actual goal. We see some glimpses of his plan (like stealing biju), but the actual proper endgame? No. Seems doubtful that he'd let Obito go so far with his plan just to gather more power for himself, since he would have an extremely hard time fighting TTJ Rinnegan Obito by himself.Thekillman wrote: Sure stealing Biju would've delayed that plan, but Obito still could create the Juubi. Sasuke seemed to have been a part of his plan (to confirm further his rinnegan theories?), but there's no way he could control Sasuke. And then what, the world is destroyed, what does that do for him? We know why Obito wanted to cast IT (the world was hell and he wanted a better world), we know why Madara wanted to cast IT (because the cycle of violence was innate to the world, so only IT could stop it). We know why many characters went so far. But we don't know what Kabuto intended to do beyond this. For instance, was he planning on becoming a Jinchuriki himself?
Thekillman wrote: Madara summons a few meteors to destroy any place Kabuto can hide. He can easily drain his chakra, or just destroy the mountain he hides under with Perfect Susanoo. The scale on which Kabuto and Madara fight are not compatible, not by a mile. Manda 2 is less than cannon fodder.
Namikazenaruto9 wrote:
Not really seeing as hopefully everyone here is well aware of what Madara can do. Rip out his soul, impale him with various wood style jutsu, surround him with clones each using a Susanoo etc. You have a problem if you can't see how Kabuto would get unapologetically stomped by Madara unless you actually believe Kabuto is Hashirama level. Explain to me what Kabuto is going to do against Perfect Susanoo exactly?
The things this starcream guy spouts makes me think to whether be appalled at his reeking stupidity or praise him for his creative complex bull crap imagination lmfao . The things this kid says is beyond ridiculous an hilarious , I can't stop laughing lmfao . Why wasnt madara able to break out without the deactivation of edo tensei? Lmfao? Okay wait kabuto clearly claimed itachi had holded back against him as he had many powers and jutsu which he didnt use at kabuto and the only time he got sliced was to iniatiate the loop so stop acting stupid and like a troll trash idiot , its not gonna get you nowhere buddy . Stop trying so hard , good guy , you can do better than that and stop acting so moronic and stop dick riding madara's cock so hard . Just stop .Yeah madara sprouted outta ET like "whats this" right?...Oh wait ! Madara was so happy that he got a real blood body so why didnt he fulfill his desire when kabuto was controlling him? Lmfao hahaha he couldn't do that then? Whats your excuse smart guy? Did kabuto admit any difficulty in controlling madara or are you thrusting madara's cock so hard down your throat you can't bear to think properly? Stop trolling lmfao . Accept it your great hero couldnt break out of ET like nothing lmfao he was restricted and bound by the chains of ET completely . While itachi resisted it freely hence why he didnt slice the throat of bee with his superior taijutsu when he got him trapped in genjutsu something both gyuki and bee never realized . And why he never used tsukuyomi on bee . Lmfao try something else to fit your hobby , you clearly are trying hard to compete when you cant comprehend the simplest substance of this manga . Kabuto admitted itachi resisted ET , KA broke it completely so dont go giving off itachi's feat to KA .
Starscream1998 wrote:
Namikazenaruto9 wrote:
Not really seeing as hopefully everyone here is well aware of what Madara can do. Rip out his soul, impale him with various wood style jutsu, surround him with clones each using a Susanoo etc. You have a problem if you can't see how Kabuto would get unapologetically stomped by Madara unless you actually believe Kabuto is Hashirama level. Explain to me what Kabuto is going to do against Perfect Susanoo exactly?
I am pretty sure I don't need to be reminded of Rinnegan's abilities. But before you scoff this off tell me how many people actually fell victim to that famous soul Ripper? Sage Kabuto is most dangerous not only because of his own abilities but the Edo tensei which he uses. Each of those Susanoo arguments or Wood clones could be easily killed by his edos. He will keep Madara completely occupied before killing him.
By the way most of Madara's attacks are nullified completely by Kabuto's abilities. He has hydrification for physical attacks. If Madara uses Soul ripper he will shed skin before he attempts such a publicity stunt. Even Wood release can be suprresed by Kabuto like he did to Yamato. As far as I know Madara himself was never Hashirama level no matter how you break it. Tobirama was more his plate. So don't say that Kabuto should be Hashirama level to beat Madara. Also What about Sound genjutsu? Even Itachi and Sasuke fell for it.
Ok first off name one reanimation who isn't Hashirama who poses a credible threat to Madara. Genjutsu can be overpowered using the Sharingan as Itachi demonstrated early on when fighting Kurenai in Part 1. Also, did you really just make a comparison between Yamato and Madara's level of wood style? Yamato was out of breath after building a couple of houses after Pain levelled the leaf, Madara created an entire forest so go figure. Also Kabuto had already disarmed Yamato so that's an incredibly weak argument.
Oh by the way Natrix, I didn't read a word of your incomprehensible drivel. Try looking into paragraphs.
Starscream1998 wrote:
Ok first off name one reanimation who isn't Hashirama who poses a credible threat to Madara.Starscream1998 wrote:
Genjutsu can be overpowered using the Sharingan as Itachi demonstrated early on when fighting Kurenai in Part 1.Not true. Kurenai uses Visual genjutsu, Superior Visual Genjutsu would trump it. Itachi and Sasuke despite possessing Better Genjutsu capability aren't able to break Kabuto's genjutsu without each other's assistance. Madara's Susanoo won't protect him from light or sound.
Starscream1998 wrote:
Also, did you really just make a comparison between Yamato and Madara's level of wood style? Yamato was out of breath after building a couple of houses after Pain levelled the leaf, Madara created an entire forest so go figure. Also Kabuto had already disarmed Yamato so that's an incredibly weak argument.