I know she is Sakura`s daughter, but she is also Sasuke`s. She should have the fire release at least by now. It`s supposed to be Uchiha`s signature jutsu, and she is an Uchiha, right? I thought we were done with weak female characters.
I know she is Sakura`s daughter, but she is also Sasuke`s. She should have the fire release at least by now. It`s supposed to be Uchiha`s signature jutsu, and she is an Uchiha, right? I thought we were done with weak female characters.
Sarutobii2 wrote: Continuing this discussion is kinda pointless considering the latest episode.
Based on just 1 episode, not an arc or a season just 1 episode aren't we being presumptuous.
So I guess the episode with nue and boruto dimension traveling places him on sasuke's level.
Everyone who has talked about advancing eyes to Rinnegan/Tenseigan never said they needed to be transplanted, only that the eyes require certain chakra to be added to them. On the EMS was stated to require a transplant and the whole Sharingan dojutsu line is seperate from the Rinnegan line.
Only someone not of the bloodline with the power of the eye
One only needs certain chakra applied to certain eyes to achieve Rinnegan/Tenseigan. Chapter 671 around 53 minutes or so into the Last confirms this
Now its your turn. When/where does it say that transplants were necessary to achieve Rinnegan/Tenseigan
LegionZero wrote: Everyone who has talked about advancing eyes to Rinnegan/Tenseigan never said they needed to be transplanted, only that the eyes require certain chakra to be added to them. On the EMS was stated to require a transplant and the whole Sharingan dojutsu line is seperate from the Rinnegan line.
Only someone not of the bloodline with the power of the eye
One only needs certain chakra applied to certain eyes to achieve Rinnegan/Tenseigan. Chapter 671 around 53 minutes or so into the Last confirms this
Now its your turn. When/where does it say that transplants were necessary to achieve Rinnegan/Tenseigan
So what you are in a nutshell is that you still have absolutely no evidence of someone achieving rinnegan/tenseigan with their own eyes (certain eyes which are clan members but not the individuals).
PS: I am not required to prove anything since the manga already does that for me, sasuke, Madara and toneri all had transplants there's my proof where's yours???
Thekillman wrote: when they performed Six Paths Chibaku Tensei, the very same seals reappear on Hagoromo's hand, indicating that the borrowed power is used up.
Ch694p7 we see no seal on Naruto's hand. Ch694p12 we see no mark on Sasuke's hand. Ch695p5 no seal on Sasuke's hand. Ch696p4 no mark on sasuke's hand. Ch697p17 no seal is seen on Sasuke's hand.
Evidence they have the seal:0. Evidence they have no seal: 6.
Don't tell me to fact check.
Evidence they still have seal, Check Boruto manga ch 5 Momoshiki and kinshiki pg 42 (twice appearance of seal), pg 46 last panel, ch 8 you must act: pg 25 or 26 even kurama avatar has the seal. Same chapter naruto redisplays the seal. So yeah seal power is permanent.
As far as talk about Hamura is concerned, I am pretty sure even Hinata was said to have fought against momoshiki and survived. Without six paths equivalent or some OP jutsu powering her up(like sakura is powered up by 100 seals) I don't see anyone surviving in that combat.
@Namikazenaruto9
Even though there are times individuals may be on opposing sides of a debate, I can appreciate when someone does proper research and backs their claim up with factual evidence. I never noticed the seal on naruto's palm in this picture before, you are very observant.
@Thekillman what were you saying about the seal again?? So yea fact check would be in order.
@chris: the process has been explained multiple times and transplant wasnt part of any explination. But if you want to miacontextualize circumstances go ahead
But since you believe that the process is Transplant+ Special chakra + Special eye then that means you Hamura and Hagoromo got transplants as well. Which they werent stated to but since everyone else had a transplant regardless of their circumstances that makes it a pre-req so Hag&Hamura had to have had one.
@namikaze: anything on Kurama is his chakra mode design as opposed to the seal itself. The seals they recieved were to activate 6 Paths Chibaku Tensi and not representative of the power.
Also the other 4 Kage did push Kinshiki around a bit. Considering that Momo and Kin pretty much had Naruto they didnt need to kill Hinata and could have killed her if they really wanted to.
LegionZero wrote: @chris: the process has been explained multiple times and transplant wasnt part of any explination. But if you want to miacontextualize circumstances go ahead
But since you believe that the process is Transplant+ Special chakra + Special eye then that means you Hamura and Hagoromo got transplants as well. Which they werent stated to but since everyone else had a transplant regardless of their circumstances that makes it a pre-req so Hag&Hamura had to have had one.
I see you are getting desperate, and putting forward rather comical arguments now. But let me highlight the idiocies of your argument.
1. Hag/ham were otsutsuki and kayuga's children they had the most potent chakra after kayuga, and you are equating them to their descendants watered down by thousands of years. Yea that seems like a plausible comparison.
2. So by your "logical" comparison hag/ham required hashi cells to right? To recreate his own chakra Since you are equating them to sasuke etc, all things being equal.
It is really simple hagoromo and hamura achieved their higher doujutsu on their own because of the immense chakra, its potency and them being original otsutsuki not watered down descendants.
@kamikaze: anything on Kurama is his chakra mode design as opposed to the seal itself. The seals they recieved were to activate 6 Paths Chibaku Tensi and not representative of the power.
Also the other 4 Kage did push Kinshiki around a bit. Considering that Momo and Kin pretty much had Naruto they didnt need to kill Hinata and could have killed her if they really wanted to.
I see you clearly bypassed chpt 5, page42 reference in a very poor attempt to validate an already debunked argument, go take a look at it, it's clearly on naruto's right palm (not the left) where it original was and it looks exactly the same. And the most interesting thing was that this is his hashi hand which means the seal is probably chakra based and regenerates after use.
Hinata has hamura chakra for life and boruto already has a head start because of his genetics. And I almost certain his lineage will be referenced again when the manga actually starts to focus on his eye, remember this post.
Quit while you're ahead dude, it's not looking good your arguments are starting to unravel.
@chris: you just said that the chakra made the change in the eye. And that the descendants were just watered down in power. What role does thw transplant play in all this? Uchiha to uchiha eye transfers dont do anything to recreate Hagoromos chakra. Hyuga to hyuga wouldnt do anything to recreate Hamuras chakra. Be real. You are turning coincidence into fact. When multiple characters pointed out the chakra made the change. Not the chakra and the transplanted eyes. Even Kabuto who was only semi-right about awakening the Rinnegan stated that mixing the chakras would change the eye, not mentioning a transplant
Im curious to see why you think the transplant is necessary for characters who already have the special eye, like Madara? Since you want to add this pre-req so badly despite Hagoromo himself not mentioning Madaras transplant.
Also Obito lent Kakashi chakra and gave him special eyes and he did not keep them and he is a 6 paths user just like Hamura and Hagoromo, but Kakashi doesnt have 6 Paths or special eyes anymore.
Also check the edge of the panel on Ch8 p42. He has the same circle design on the other palm. The same circle design that is all over KCM. Which covers the etirety of Narutos body. Kurama actually has the same circle patterns since VOTE 2 when it was confirmed Naruto no longer had the seal.
LegionZero wrote: @chris: you just said that the chakra made the change in the eye. And that the descendants were just watered down in power. What role does thw transplant play in all this? Uchiha to uchiha eye transfers dont do anything to recreate Hagoromos chakra. Hyuga to hyuga wouldnt do anything to recreate Hamuras chakra. Be real. You are turning coincidence into fact. When multiple characters pointed out the chakra made the change. Not the chakra and the transplanted eyes. Even Kabuto who was only semi-right about awakening the Rinnegan stated that mixing the chakras would change the eye, not mentioning a transplant
Im curious to see why you think the transplant is necessary for characters who already have the special eye, like Madara? Since you want to add this pre-req so badly despite Hagoromo himself not mentioning Madaras transplant.
Also Obito lent Kakashi chakra and gave him special eyes and he did not keep them and he is a 6 paths user just like Hamura and Hagoromo, but Kakashi doesnt have 6 Paths or special eyes anymore.
Also check the edge of the panel on Ch8 p42. He has the same circle design on the other palm. The same circle design that is all over KCM. Which covers the etirety of Narutos body. Kurama actually has the same circle patterns since VOTE 2 when it was confirmed Naruto no longer had the seal.
To begin with you comparing hagoromo and hamura to the likes of sasuke, toneri etc, which is nonsense. Hagoromo and hamura got chakra from the chakra fruit once removed and their mother was a pure otsutsuki there eyes would be significantly purer than their descendants.
Kayuga had twins so it was said that her chakra (a portion of it) was basically evenly split between them. Then hagoromo had twins splitting his chakra and genes, hence why they needed to recombine to recreate his chakra. We have very little information about hamura's children, how much he had how his chakra was divided amongst them etc. Its obvious that the mechanism for hamura's descendants differ a bit rom hags, most noticeable there's is never any differentiation between hamura's body and eyes.
You say I'm taking coincidence as fact, but you are assuming just because hagoromo' chakra had a certain result in his descendants (transmigrants of Indra) the same automatically holds true for hamura and that is flawed.
If you say eye transplant isn't required? Then even in that case Hinata could have still received hamura's chakra permanently. I have been looking at it from the wrong side. Both sasuke and Madara needed hashirama cell grafts also to achieve the rinnegan. And if naruto or hashirama wanted to unlock it they would need to have sasuke's and Madara's eyes transplanted this is a well known fact. Now if we really want to compare hamura's and hagoromo's descendants then the moon otsutsuki would represent the senju and the hyuga the uchia. Only difference both clans have byakugan but of different purity.
Now the reason I said the moon otsutsuki is more similar to the senju is because toneri transplanted hyuga eyes and unlocked the tenseigan. Now a hyuga/uchia would also require DNA from moon otsutsuki/senju. So it is also highly probable that hinata would unlock the tenseigan with a graft of toneri's cells.
And I think you are mixing the chapters up its chapter5 page42 not chapter 8, and the design on the left palm is clearly different from the right. The left has a thin circle ring around the thumb the right doesn't have this. And the seal is in the exact same place, and is the exact same size.
Sarutobii2 wrote: Continuing this discussion is kinda pointless considering the latest episode.
Considering the topic has completely changed, and the current discussion is a rehash of ~5 similar discussions in the last half year, you might as well close this and start a new thread.
Ninjachris wrote: @Thekillman what were you saying about the seal again?? So yea fact check would be in order.
In the same pages you can see Naruto having multiple white dots: on his collar and his belly. The same white dot isn't even present in the movie (about an hour in, in case you want to know), so it's just a cosmetic thing. The two cloaks don't even look alike, and it's been repeatedly shown that the various decorations on his chakra cloak have 0 relation to his power. The location of black dots, white dots, magatama, stripes. It's meaningless. Not even the seal on his belly has any relation to what mode he's in.